GGD Missouri Pacific EAGLES. (MP T&P passenger trains)

@Steve Adby posted:

Good heavens! Thank you SO much for such a comprehensive reply. It really is a fascinating and complicated thing, isn't it! (It makes SF's Texas-California service look like a walk in the park...lol).

I truly appreciate the time and trouble you have taken here. I've the Stout and Dorin passenger service books currently here, with the 'MP through passenger car service's on it's way, plus the book on MP motive power which is a start, but your message here answers the questions I couldn't find in the books.

Did motive power get mixed around like the cars, or did it stay very much more on 'home tracks'? I'm wondering if I can get away with a T&P Geep pulling a predominantly MP train of Eagle cars?

Thank you very much again!

Steve

MP and T&P strived to use their own diesels on their own rails … but it didn’t always work out that way. Probably because of scheduled maintenance or equipment failure, or what worked for an “extra” to relieve period heavy bookings - like holidays. I find it fun spotting a T&P engine pulling into St. Louis Union Station. Past peak passenger days one might see a GP providing power with an E unit - probably an indication of a failure of an aging E unit. And I’ve seen pix of GPs on point with small consists near the end of service. A power mix was more likely to be found later with mail/express trains that might have a large head end group of cars with only a couple of coach’s on the tail end. Really though, if all you have is a GP, that’s fine.  It’s yours and have some fun. Watch for Passenger diesels for sale on eBay and watch the O Gauge forum “for sale” section (you never know what might show up). Take a “back up” reservation for the 3rd Rail E6 MP offering (reservations are closed - production limited to those that placed orders). If someone backs out, Scott uses a back up reservation for a sale.
And I’m sure Scott will offer new runs of passenger diesels down the road. I believe they are the best - I’ve upgraded to them from other manufacturers models when he does them.

@TrainBub posted:

MP and T&P strived to use their own diesels on their own rails … but it didn’t always work out that way. Probably because of scheduled maintenance or equipment failure, or what worked for an “extra” to relieve period heavy bookings - like holidays. I find it fun spotting a T&P engine pulling into St. Louis Union Station. Past peak passenger days one might see a GP providing power with an E unit - probably an indication of a failure of an aging E unit. And I’ve seen pix of GPs on point with small consists near the end of service. A power mix was more likely to be found later with mail/express trains that might have a large head end group of cars with only a couple of coach’s on the tail end. Really though, if all you have is a GP, that’s fine.  It’s yours and have some fun. Watch for Passenger diesels for sale on eBay and watch the O Gauge forum “for sale” section (you never know what might show up). Take a “back up” reservation for the 3rd Rail E6 MP offering (reservations are closed - production limited to those that placed orders). If someone backs out, Scott uses a back up reservation for a sale.
And I’m sure Scott will offer new runs of passenger diesels down the road. I believe they are the best - I’ve upgraded to them from other manufacturers models when he does them.

Thank you again. You've been really helpful!

Take care.

Steve

@BigJohn&theWork posted:

Here are some 3rd Rail Missouri Pacific diesels in action! Imagine a train of GGD Eagle cars behind them!!!

Joined this thread late.  Who made the M&P white and blue heavyweight passenger cars?

To make things even more itneresting was the use of oil-fired T&P engines "up north" during the big Illinois coal strike.

@FrankRazz posted:

Joined this thread late.  Who made the M&P white and blue heavyweight passenger cars?

Those are a Golden Gate Depot product. They were a special run by Peterson Supply in Oregon. Only coaches were done. The cars are sold out but can sometimes be found in the secondary market.  GGD more recently did T&P green heavyweights of baggage, RPO, diner, and observation. I’ve not seen Any of these in the secondary market.

One of the problems with being a T&P modeler and I think it extends to you Mop Guys is they run the stuff but by the time you hear about it, it’s done and gone. I have the GGD T&P baggage and I certainly enjoy running it with my Lionel sunshine special cars. Wish I could have bought the set…

@Griff Murphey posted:

One of the problems with being a T&P modeler and I think it extends to you Mop Guys is they run the stuff but by the time you hear about it, it’s done and gone. I have the GGD T&P baggage and I certainly enjoy running it with my Lionel sunshine special cars. Wish I could have bought the set…

Well Griff I agree with you. We MP and T&P fans have to be vigilant. There just hasn’t been a lot done in these roads. My timing was poor on those “Sunshine” cars and then they were all gone. ☹️  Now I watch to spot at least a 2 pack of them. Good luck on finding some of the GGD T&P Heavyweights. I haven’t seen Any in the secondary markets. I have a feeling there were Very Few made.  

I hope you’ve made some reservations for the GGD EAGLE !!!!  It IS In Process. You don’t want to miss This One !!! Separate MP and T&P consists. Lots of Extra Options for MP And T&P. Penn, B&O, NdeM Thru sleepers too. As always, multiple numbers/named cars on extras.  

I am “ON” for the T&P’s may weaken and add an NdeM. Not the same era but my parents took their honeymoon to Mexico City in 1936 by train and I have my dad’s 8mm home movies of it. Likely left FW on that train’s immediate predecessor.

Caboose Stop Hobbies has a beautiful Key MP E6 AB set. Still, I think. Nothing beats those!

Steve Goen has a new book coming out about the Missouri Pacific passenger trains in Texas.

Here is the link to his website Texas Zephyr Publishing

I'll be picking up mine at the CentraMod Train Show in Temple, Texas this weekend.

I helped him track down a few pictures for the book.

@Texas Eagle 77 posted:

Steve Goen has a new book coming out about the Missouri Pacific passenger trains in Texas.

Here is the link to his website Texas Zephyr Publishing

I'll be picking up mine at the CentraMod Train Show in Temple, Texas this weekend.

I helped him track down a few pictures for the book.

I’ve been looking forward to this latest Goen’s book. They are Always good. I’m sure he will demonstrate the complexities of the EAGLE in Texas and hit on the MP - T&P relationship.

I also collect Texas cars and it may interest some that MTH is doing Pearl Beer reefers for Public Delivery Track. Phone is (805) 226-0320. There will be two car numbers. Let’s hope for non modern roller bearing trucks… I had a nice conversation with an MTH customer service rep about Texas and Pacific E units. I gather they sold their E Unit tooling to Atlas. Wrong portholes I can live with - I’m running some “never were” coal fired Texas & Pacific steamer “Models” anyway. It seems every esoteric northeastern road gets something made … everything TP/MP sells out!?! But the manufacturers are prone to ignore success…

@SANTIAGOP23 posted:

Caboose Stop Hobbies has a beautiful Key MP E6 AB set. Still, I think. Nothing beats those!

I finally figured out what Key means.   

"Give me the key to your car and you can have the locomotives"

Beautiful locomotives.  No doubt.

@GG1 4877 posted:

I finally figured out what Key means.   

"Give me the key to your car and you can have the locomotives"

Beautiful locomotives.  No doubt.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Key models Are beautiful.   👍  

However, For the probable price of the Key MP AB ($4-5K ???) , I could buy 2 3rd Rail MP AB (say an EAGLE and a Jenks) and have some $ left to spend on the coming GGD EAGLE extra cars. “To each his own”. My $ would be for the second option.

IMO of course. 🙂🙂🙂

Drool Drool!  The Sunset MoPac Eagle heavyweights are gorgeous.  I would put a consist behind my Lionel ALCO PAs and leave the streamliners for the MTH E6s. Now if someone could alert me by, say, mental telepathy , even by PM if necessary, if the Eagle scheme heavyweights are ever done again... (fat chance)

@Golden Prairie Railroad posted:

Drool Drool!  The Sunset MoPac Eagle heavyweights are gorgeous.  I would put a consist behind my Lionel ALCO PAs and leave the streamliners for the MTH E6s. Now if someone could alert me by, say, mental telepathy , even by PM if necessary, if the Eagle scheme heavyweights are ever done again... (fat chance)

Hopefully Scott at GGD will eventually do some more heavyweights. A successful EAGLE offering should should incentivize him to include MP and T&P in a heavyweight offering.

@Texas Eagle 77 posted:

Steve Goen has a new book coming out about the Missouri Pacific passenger trains in Texas.

Here is the link to his website Texas Zephyr Publishing

I'll be picking up mine at the CentraMod Train Show in Temple, Texas this weekend.

I helped him track down a few pictures for the book.

Great to see this. I’ve ordered my copy.
But ….. I’ve read the contents.   No T&P subsidiary. 🫢☹️ Looks like the T&P will get its own book. 🤔  Well I hope it Follows the MP book !!!!!!

@Golden Prairie Railroad posted:

Drool Drool!  The Sunset MoPac Eagle heavyweights are gorgeous.  I would put a consist behind my Lionel ALCO PAs and leave the streamliners for the MTH E6s. Now if someone could alert me by, say, mental telepathy , even by PM if necessary, if the Eagle scheme heavyweights are ever done again... (fat chance)

When GGD announced the EAGLE, I sold my MTH MP passenger cars. So while I await the GGD EAGLE cars, I make do with a pulled together “Extra” mail/express train. Here I use an Atlas F3 AB with a visually pleasing fixed pilot. I pull together MP and T&P cars - mail storage, a merchandise car, baggage mail cars, and express reefers for a cool consist.  When my 3rd Rail MP E6 Jenks is delivered, it will be on the point of another similar consist.

Cheers !!! 😜

@TrainBub posted:

Great to see this. I’ve ordered my copy.
But ….. I’ve read the contents.   No T&P subsidiary. 🫢☹️ Looks like the T&P will get its own book. 🤔  Well I hope it Follows the MP book !!!!!!

I picked up my MoPac book from Steve  today at the show. The next book he will do is the Katy, then should be the Texas & Pacific book.

@Texas Eagle 77 posted:

I picked up my MoPac book from Steve  today at the show. The next book he will do is the Katy, then should be the Texas & Pacific book.

I wish the T&P was next but at least the Katy is next. (I collect and run it too along with the Frisco)  I hope to have my copy of the MP book by the end of the month 🤔.
I look forward to some new pix and info.
Cheers !!! 🙂

If you are a fan of the Missouri Pacific or passenger trains in general this is a must have book! Steve Goen did an amazing job and included many photos along the Austin Subdivision. This is hot off the press and hit the streets at the Temple, Texas CentraMod Train Show this last weekend. Get yours while you still can. The cover was painted by John Winfield and the original is currently for sale. Please reach out to Steve if you are interested.

If you haven’t yet seen Scotts 3rd Rail / GGD product report - update, check it out in the the three rail scale forum. To jump the gun for you - it Sounds like the EAGLE is next in the production Q (IMO) after the Chessie. Scott says it’s in design and the ACF cars will sport Rivets !!! 😮🫢😳😜 Check it out !!! 😜😜 I’m thinking open reservations time is growing short. Just sayin…..

@T4TT posted:

I had emailed Scott Mann about offering N de M sleepers as add-on cars to this MoPac set.  The sleepers are on the GGD reservation page.


Of course the N de M sleepers will only be produced if there are enough orders.

N de M cars and engines are offered so rarely.  This is a golden opportunity!  If you are interested in these cars please email Scott, sales@goldengatedepot.com or better yet make your reservation today!

thank you!

Scott usually does cars with multiple names/numbers if someone orders more than one car of a type - usually up to four. No repeats of same names and numbers. Order up folks. Chances are you won’t see these offered again !!!

From another Forum thread now closed.  

Scott says    

“ We are working on the design of the "Eagle" cars now. More than 1/2 of these cars were ACF "American Car Foundry" cars, which have riveted sides. Aluminum cars are made by extruding AL through a tool making the sides smooth. Then cutting out the windows and space for the door castings. They generally don't accommodate rivets, only a smooth surface on the sides. We have developed a technique to apply rivets onto the AL so that when the cars are painted, they will have raised rivet patterns on the surface. The "Eagle" cars will be outstanding scale models for sure. These will be produced in 2023. You still have time to reserve your T&P or Mopac "Eagles". You can see the "Eagle" car information page HERE.”

See the test picture of riveted Aluminum body here:

Getting closer Folks !!!!!!
🙂👍

Aztec EAGLE fans. The TRRA of St. Louis H&TS will be releasing this book soon. They’ve just posted this cover. This should be great info about the “continuation” of the Texas Eagle into Mexico.

Cheers !!! 🙂

@TrainBub posted:

Aztec EAGLE fans. The TRRA of St. Louis H&TS will be releasing this book soon. They’ve just posted this cover. This should be great info about the “continuation” of the Texas Eagle into Mexico.

Cheers !!! 🙂

This volume delivered today, 11-18-22.
EXCELLENT !!!!!  
Tons of info I’ve never seen before.

@TrainBub

Hi, how can I get a copy of that Aztec Eagle issue? I would love to have a copy! Thanks!

You can join TRRA H&T Society here.  Or you can order back issues here.

@Bob Harris posted:

Got to have a Baldwin Centipede to pull it

Bob,  FYI the Centipede is in the new TRRA book. I bet you would enjoy the book.

I hope you’ve continued to follow this thread. 🙂

@MikeH posted:

You can join TRRA H&T Society here.  Or you can order back issues here.

Thanks for the links Mike !!!!

Thanks @MikeH

I ordered the N de M edition and several back issues!

@TrainBub posted:

Scott usually does cars with multiple names/numbers if someone orders more than one car of a type - usually up to four. No repeats of same names and numbers. Order up folks. Chances are you won’t see these offered again !!!

I don't know a lot about the Eagle trains, but the N De M cars are really cool. Were these added to the train, or were they part of a separate train completely? If they were add-ons, how many were usually added?

@seank941 posted:

I don't know a lot about the Eagle trains, but the N De M cars are really cool. Were these added to the train, or were they part of a separate train completely? If they were add-ons, how many were usually added?

The NDM sleepers ran in the US from Laredo to St Louis on the MP Texas Eagle  - usually just one at a time. Multiple named cars were used.  They always stood out because of the different paint job. This was different from B&O and Penn sleepers that were painted in MP colors. A sharp eye can spot the NDM cars in the MP books without reading the text.
The point of these sleepers was providing rail connections from New York to Mexico City via St. Louis and Texas. NDM cars did not go east of St. Louis.

Here’s a bit of a tease - my photo from 25 Nov 2022, Museum of Transportation, Kirkwood Mo. (St. Louis County).  Though not prototypical for the Texas Eagle, you can opt to get one of these in the offered GGD 8 car consists.  Separate GGD Missouri Pacific and Texas & Pacific consists are offered - all with unique names / numbered cars.

Cheers 😜

MP and T&P fans. Check out the newly updated/refined GGD Texas Eagle     offering !!! Even 2 different 10-6 cars !!!!

This is shaping up to be GGDs most ambitious passenger train offering !!! 😜

If you are “on the fence”, open reservations time grows short ………😉

@TrainBub posted:

MP and T&P fans. Check out the newly updated/refined GGD Texas Eagle     offering !!! Even 2 different 10-6 cars !!!!

This is shaping up to be GGDs most ambitious passenger train offering !!! 😜

If you are “on the fence”, open reservations time grows short ………😉

The MP 10-6 is Budd with 6 wheel trucks. This will be a nice stand-out car in the MP consist. The T&P 10-6 is Pullman. The interiors are configured differently.
The Budd car with the 6 wheel trucks saw duty south of the border on the Aztec Eagle continuation of the MP Texas Eagle. These trucks provided a better ride on rails that had less maintenance.
The Budd car should be a must have for NDM fans / consist builders !!!

Cheers !!!

A few of the cars Coachyard produced that were excellent, let’s hope for this level, GGD has already and beyond , thanks Mr Mann

https://www.brasstrains.com/Br...ouri-Pacific-SLEEPER

https://www.brasstrains.com/Br...ouri-Pacific-SLEEPER

https://www.brasstrains.com/Br...i-Pacific-10-CAR-SET

And the ideal power, at least for my era 1942-1955ish

https://www.brasstrains.com/Br...Missouri-Pacific-E-6

or E7 😁

https://brasstrains.com/Classi...7A-7017-F-P-Blue-Box

https://brasstrains.com/Classi...B-7017B-F-P-Blue-Box

GGD has updated the EAGLE offering on their website !!! 🤔
Check It Out Folks !!!! 😜 👍👍👍

Primed and ready for a MP or T&P Texas EAGLE consist !!!!

They sure look nice 👍