GGD Missouri Pacific EAGLES. (MP T&P passenger trains)

A proper GGD Colorado Eagle has been top of my list for a while! I’m in for a set and I’m thinking at least 2-3 of my local St. Louis customers would be too! 

Also, don’t forget the PA’s are an option to pull this beauty as well! 

Yep.  I would be all over that.

Oops yes forgot to mention Alco Pa. 

The PRR carried through sleepers to both MP and T&P destinations via St. Louis trains from New York.  PRR sleepers assigned to this service were painted in Texas Special and MP Eagle colors ( much in the same way a PRR sleeper was lettered for California Zephyr service).  I particularly like the MP Eagle scheme on PRR ACF built 10-6 sleepers.  I’d be down for either scheme with PRR lettering.  I’d also purchase a MP blue and gray lightweight baggage car as they were often found on PRR mail and express trains.

With GGD F-3s N deM I would like to create this train. 

@boilermaker posted:

With GGD F-3s N deM I would like to create this train. 

Thanks for this input. Yes there were thru sleepers from MP TP that connected at Laredo Texas. I’ve Also read that N de M sleepers went north into US. My reference books are packed for a move so I can’t add any detailed info. 
Specific cars for this could become nice adds to our consists.  

@Keystoned Ed posted:

The PRR carried through sleepers to both MP and T&P destinations via St. Louis trains from New York.  PRR sleepers assigned to this service were painted in Texas Special and MP Eagle colors ( much in the same way a PRR sleeper was lettered for California Zephyr service).  I particularly like the MP Eagle scheme on PRR ACF built 10-6 sleepers.  I’d be down for either scheme with PRR lettering.  I’d also purchase a MP blue and gray lightweight baggage car as they were often found on PRR mail and express trains.

Yes. These Thru sleepers are exactly the Kind of extras that I’d want to see. I don’t remember seeing Scott offer extra baggage cars before .... but why not do   it !!!!!!  
For me 
For extra head end I have GGD heavyweight T&P and Pullman baggage cars in green plus a nice Atlas T&P blue/grey express box car -  and then there’s Atlas 53’ MP and T&P express reefers. Man could we put together a cool consist. 

I would be in for a set with a dome & a PRR run through sleeper. It would be nice if a short run of some kind of matching E unit was announced with this set. 

Also to mention I have 2 friends that would be all over this set as well. I don’t think 50 reservations would be a problem. 

I would support a 3rd rail/GGD eagle. E6s for me please.

@Rob English posted:

I would support a 3rd rail/GGD eagle. E6s for me please.

Scott’s E6s are sweet. The E5,6s Need a run 2. Run 2 would be nice for those that missed run 1. I’d be looking for an extra variant with one in Jenks Blue. Would be nice with some “extra” cars Also in Jenks blue. Builds a later consist that interesting. The Colorado Eagle also had unique nose decoration. I don’t know how long it lasted but it makes it different from the Texas Eagle. I think it was on the 6 and I’ve seen it in later E’s. 

oops !!! Dropped the E6 in wrong spot but it shows nice. ( I bet I screw this up at least half the time.) The nose shot is MTH model. Look carefully to see unique markings. But This model had wrong square side windows. 3rd Rail model much nicer and correct. 

@Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

Also to mention I have 2 friends that would be all over this set as well. I don’t think 50 reservations would be a problem.

Great !!! Pass the word to them !!! Get them to post on this forum thread !!!  Getting “loud” Is the only way we can get this to be considered by Scott.
Thanks !!!

TrainBub

@TrainBub posted:

Great !!! Pass the word to them !!! Get them to post on this forum thread !!!  Getting “loud” Is the only way we can get this to be considered by Scott. 
Thanks !!!

TrainBub 

Or,,,,,,,,,,you could eMail Scott Mann directly at Sunset/3rd Rail/Golden Gate Depot.

@Hot Water posted:

Or,,,,,,,,,,you could eMail Scott Mann directly at Sunset/3rd Rail/Golden Gate Depot.

Or...

you could do both so Scott knows and others know that there are many out there who would be in for this set; especially if and E6 rerun provides the possibility of a full train.

I would imagine SF reservations alone could come close to supporting an E6 rerun with the ‘38-‘47 SC moving on along. 

@Hot Water posted:

Or,,,,,,,,,,you could eMail Scott Mann directly at Sunset/3rd Rail/Golden Gate Depot.

Definitely contact friends, get them to post here,

and definitely Email Scott!!!!!!

@TrainBub posted:

Definitely contact friends, get them to post here,

In all honesty, post here many times doesn't swing much weight. The key is direct contact with Scott, and making a commitment to reserve/order such a train set. In other words, "money talks"!

and definitely Email Scott!!!!!!

Definitely the best method.

A GGD Eagle would be a terrific choice.  There are a lot of locomotives out there to pull this:  Lionel, MTH, and 3rd Rail.  I don't think the locomotives need to be re-done, just the passenger cars.  I would love to see a dome car in the set.  Were those only on the Colorado Eagle?

Email Scott.  I’ll support with an order (for E6’s too).

I helped with support for the N de M F3’s (should be here soon).

-Brian

You got my vote!!  Can’t get enough of the old MOPAC!!  Miss those screaming eagles 😕

I'm in. @sdmann

@TrainBub posted:

Anybody else out there interested in a Golden Gate Depot MP / T&P passenger  train run ??? Specifically the “EAGLE”.  This beautiful but Neglected train has not been Correctly/nicely done Before. Scott has said 50 sets are doable. There are soooo many options with the EAGLE !!!!  Colorado Eagle with domes, Texas Eagle with TWO consists - one for MP and one for T&P. Most differences only named cars and numbers. Thru sleepers from NYC, Penn, B&O possible and even Mexican sleeper pick up in Laredo. Other extras could be painted in Jenks blue. How cool would it be to run a mixed MP TP consist, throw in some Jenks blue cars, add GGD heavyweight TP car, head up with a 3rd Rail E6 or 8 ???
The Eagles covered a lot of territory and serviced quiet a few big cities. Surely there are 50 3rail 2rail fans out there to try to make this happen.
What do you have to say ?????? 

Respectfully

TrainBubYou helped support the forums pleas for Slumbercoaches. I'm in for the Eagle! My great-grandfather spent many years on the Chicago & Eastern Illinois and the Missouri Pacific. Not many sets that would be more fitting than the Eagles!

@VistaDomeScott posted:

Yes, but I hope I have all the Amtrak cars paid off by then!

Well I bet if this flies, it would be at least a year from now Before we would see them. 
TrainBub

I am in and would be a set so long as I could represent the Aztec Eagle.  I  emailed Scott to let him know.  If you are interested I would suggest you email him too, thank you!

N de M F-3s arriving soon. 

If the Jenks blue paint scheme is available on separate sale cars, a whole world of options is possible for MP/TP trains.  

They even had Jenks blue domes!

When did protoype Colorado Eagle run (years)?  Would probably at least want some cars...

@colorado hirailer posted:

When did protoype Colorado Eagle run (years)?  Would probably at least want some cars...

You might try a Google search. Found lots of information, especially Wikipedia.

@colorado hirailer posted:

When did protoype Colorado Eagle run (years)?  Would probably at least want some cars...

I believe 1942-1966. 

@TrainBub posted:

I believe 1942-1966. 

Not according to what the Google search turned up, on Wikipedia. But then I didn't spend a lot of time researching it, since I'm not really interested in a train set.

@Hot Water posted:

Not according to what the Google search turned up, on Wikipedia. But then I didn't spend a lot of time researching it, since I'm not really interested in a train set.

I floated an approximation. Is close enough for on the fly. 

@Hot Water posted:

Not according to what the Google search turned up, on Wikipedia. But then I didn't spend a lot of time researching it, since I'm not really interested in a train set.

The intent will also to offer extra single cars. Not just a “ train set “

@BigJohn&theWork posted:

If the Jenks blue paint scheme is available on separate sale cars, a whole world of options is possible for MP/TP trains.  

They even had Jenks blue domes!

I did see a Jenks blue domeon the TE stoped at the station in New Braunfels TX. 

 

@T4TT posted:

I am in and would be a set so long as I could represent the Aztec Eagle.  I  emailed Scott to let him know.  If you are interested I would suggest you email him too, thank you!

MISSOURI PACIFIC-NATIONAL RAILWAYS de MEXICO
ST. LOUIS - MEXICO CITY
Through Air-Conditioned Trains—
Modernized Service
EQUIPMENT—Through Pullman Sleepers, 10-Section, 2 Compartments, 1 Drawing-room and 8-Section, 5 Double Bedroom—also A.C. Reclining Chair Cars and Dining Lounge Cars on Trains 1 and 2 between San Antonio and Mexico City, connecting at San Antonio with the Texas Eagle of the Missouri Pacific.

@T4TT posted:

I am in and would be a set so long as I could represent the Aztec Eagle.  I  emailed Scott to let him know.  If you are interested I would suggest you email him too, thank you!

MISSOURI PACIFIC-NATIONAL RAILWAYS de MEXICO
ST. LOUIS - MEXICO CITY
Through Air-Conditioned Trains—
Modernized Service
EQUIPMENT—Through Pullman Sleepers, 10-Section, 2 Compartments, 1 Drawing-room and 8-Section, 5 Double Bedroom—also A.C. Reclining Chair Cars and Dining Lounge Cars on Trains 1 and 2 between San Antonio and Mexico City, connecting at San Antonio with the Texas Eagle of the Missouri Pacific.

Aztec EAGLE fans. NDM had Alco FPA-2 for the Eagle in mid 50’s. I Think it may be a FA-2 with a steam boiler added for passenger service. If no external differences, perhaps Scott can add it to FA offering !!! Perhaps you Aztec Eagle Fans know more about this. All can see Picture on “Classicstreamliners.com”. (I avoid copyright probs here). It’s in black n white but should be quite beautiful - Pullman green with red stripe and orange nose decoration that has red pin stripes.  Email Scott to let him know if you’d be interested.

EAGLE research continues  !!!

TrainBub

1942 is not close enough, if you are modeling 1940...AND did these cars, Eagle cars, ever run behind steam?  And would Mopac/NdeM cars have shown up on C&S run north to Denver out of Texas?

Further brief and hurried Wik. research indicates "Eagles" (Colorado?) began in 1940 but "Scenic Limited" operated until Eagles were introduced, this on Mopac and Rio Grande.  Some railroads used earlier cars on later name trains, so l wonder if any of the Eagle cars ran on the earlier Scenic Limited?  Just wondering what is real in 1940.....

Coincidentally, my new issue of the MoPac Historical Society magazine arrived in the mail yesterday.  Check out the cover...

@MikeH posted:

Coincidentally, my new issue of the MoPac Historical Society magazine arrived in the mail yesterday.  Check out the cover...

How timely. I was at my local train shop within last 20 days and this issue wasn’t there yet. I will definitely pick up. 
Thanks

TrainBub

Looks like an issue that'd answer questions....any, if existed, "local train shops", wouldn't have this western road..

I'm down for the Texas Eagle. I have seen pictures of planetarium domes in Austin and San Antonio, Texas so they were definitely used on the Texas Eagle. I have been looking for an excuse to buy the matching PA's that Lionel recently did. Lionel has some of the through cars in their most recent catalog.

GGD F-3 N de M

Great looking loco.

@boilermaker posted:

GGD F-3 N de M

That’s really sweet !!! Not something we get to see. And I’m guessing the run is quite small so you have something REALLY SPECIAL. So Cool for you. 
Now you need some EAGLE cars for it !!!

Cheers 👍 🙂

TrainBub

Texas / Mopac Eagle: Consist Please.

Scott

(NOTE...PHOTO DELETED DUE TO COPYRIGHT.)

The famous publicity photo of the "Colorado Eagle" led by new E7's circa 1947 posed in Colorado near Palmer Lake on the Joint Line. The train's accommodations at this time included five sleepers (10 roomettes/6 double-bedrooms [Denver-St. Louis], 6 section/6 roomettes/4 double-bedrooms [Denver - St. Louis], 14 roomettes/4 double-bedrooms [Denver - St. Louis], 6 sections/6 roomettes/4 bedrooms [St. Louis - Los Angeles in conjunction with the "Golden State"], 8 section/1 drawing room/3 double-bedrooms [Wichita - Denver], coaches, grill coach, "Planetarium Dome" coach, and diner-lounge.

I have a Coach Yard HO set fabulous model by Sam Tech, it’s an interesting mix of modernized heavyweight to then state of the art Budd domes. Scott, I might be persuaded. Be a legendary project. The porthole windows that were all over the train were the neat things other than that gorgeous paint scheme. 

Another basic source 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Eagle_(MP_train)

obviously the research phase would reveal rivet level details. Lots of custom one off MoP cars in these trains.

@sdmann posted:

Texas / Mopac Eagle: Consist Please.

Scott

In the works. Coming Very Soon !!!!!!!!!!!!

TrainBub

@TrainBub posted:

In the works. Coming Very Soon !!!!!!!!!!!!

TrainBub

Just what do you consider "very soon"?

@Hot Water posted:

Just what do you consider "very soon"?

Not today. Not tomorrow. A bit of Patience. I hope all will be pleased and happy with the offering(s). In the end, Scott cast the vote that counts. 

TrainBub

Trying to find info and photos of the Aztec Eagle. 

@MikeH posted:

Coincidentally, my new issue of the MoPac Historical Society magazine arrived in the mail yesterday.  Check out the cover...

Darn. Dropped by my local train store (with train magazines) and this issue STILL hasn’t come in. 😖

@TrainBub posted:

Darn. Dropped by my local train store (with train magazines) and this issue STILL hasn’t come in. 😖

I’ve just moved back into the St. Louis area. Can anyone tell me where I can pick up a copy of the above “Eagle” magazine ?
thanks

TrainBub

@BigJohn&theWork posted:

If the Jenks blue paint scheme is available on separate sale cars, a whole world of options is possible for MP/TP trains.  

They even had Jenks blue domes!

 

 

I did see Jenks blue on the TE at New Braunfels TX in the 1960's.

You can buy the magazine off EB as I did

look up mopachistoricalsociety

im in for any Missouri pacific or T&P passenger cars

@Blue Streak posted:

You can buy the magazine off EB as I did

look up mopachistoricalsociety

im in for any Missouri pacific or T&P passenger cars

Thanks 👍

TrainBub

I would be interested in T&P

😎

Well, On 6/23 Scott asked for “consist please“. In the midst of packing for my St. Louis move, I managed to research and submitted to Scott a reasonably decent first pass Eagle consist email on 7/10 before my move. I covered ALL Eagles. I also floated E6,8,Alco PA diesel re-runs.  There are Really lots of “moving parts” and interchangeable pieces to sort thru. 
As I said, Scott has the vote that counts. And it has to be an economically Viable proposition for him.  Let’s hope it is. 
Lets not let this Opportunity go dark. I ask everyone that has emailed Scott to do so again to reinforce that interest IS out there for the EAGLE to take off. Spread the word. Tell your fellow MP fans. Have them email Scott. 
Step Up time. !!!!  
Respectfully,

TrainBub

And a FYI if anyone not aware - MP AND B&O Slumberer coaches ran on the MP Texas EAGLE. 
TrainBub 

Grrrr spellcheck and /or fat fingers 😖

slumber-coaches ran 

🤪

You and me both. Next time hit the edit icon, lower right, and correct/update post. Passing on advice someone gave me. BTW, hope Scott approve this. Already sent him my email request.

You guys are lucky. GGD just announced these! Beautiful train.

@SANTIAGOP23 posted:

You guys are lucky. GGD just announced these! Beautiful train.

Yes I’m so pleased !!! 👍🙂👍🤗
👉Now people need to step up and place those reservations !!!👈

TrainBub😬

I’ve reserved mine !!!!!!!  
Texas EAGLE - two trains possible !!!!
And 6 extras available !!!!!!

😜😜😜

Well I see Scott has already posted he will be modifying EAGLE consists based on customer input. Keep the comments flowing to Scott. Let’s aspire for the best. 👍👍👍👍👍👍 🤗

I am interested in learning about the Texas Eagle and the Aztec Eagle.  I found this webpage.  Did the Texas Eagle have N de M Sleepers mixed in its MoPac colored consist?  The page does state that it would have been all N de M equipment from Mexico City to Laredo, but would the MoPac consist go from Laredo to Mexico City?  Or would the N de M sleepers have been pulled from the consist and sent through via N de M?  That seems more plausible.  Information about the Aztec Eagle is scarce.  Thank you for sharing whatever info or links you may have!

@T4TT posted:

I am interested in learning about the Texas Eagle and the Aztec Eagle.  I found this webpage.  Did the Texas Eagle have N de M Sleepers mixed in its MoPac colored consist?  The page does state that it would have been all N de M equipment from Mexico City to Laredo, but would the MoPac consist go from Laredo to Mexico City?  Or would the N de M sleepers have been pulled from the consist and sent through via N de M?  That seems more plausible.  Information about the Aztec Eagle is scarce.  Thank you for sharing whatever info or links you may have!

Yes NDM / Aztec EAGLE information is quite meager. I hope some NDM fans can offer up info and some color pictures. I’ve read some “core” MP cars went south but no details. Two heavyweight coaches headed the consist painted in green with an orange stripe (described - no pictures), followed by MP CAR (diner ? Heavyweight ?) followed by I think two NDM sleepers - again green with red stripe. I think heavyweights. Later - NDM upgraded the sleepers buying surplus streamlined 10-5 and 10-6 from NYC. I’ve seen ONE b&w picture of a 10-6 in St. Louis in NDM paint. 
I’d sure like to see a NDM car included in the EAGLE extras. A 10-6 would be great!!  Also - email Scott to add NDM to a future heavyweight coach offering. If all those that purchased Scott’s NDM F3 CAN Step Up, we can get some NDM cars as extras and in future offerings. Perhaps “boilermaker” can lead that charge. 
Cheers !!!

TrainBub

I sent Scott pics of a several NdeM Pullman sleepers.

@T4TT posted:

I sent Scott pics of a several NdeM Pullman sleepers.

Great !!!!  For now, I hope streamlined and at least one a 10-6. Hopefully any heavyweights could be used in a future hvwt sleeper run. 
Can you share the pix here or their source. Here’s hoping they are good clarity and in color. Did they list the interior configurations?

I know it is tricky to post pics here, but here is a link to an open flickr account with a quite a few N de M passenger and mail cars.

@T4TT posted:

I know it is tricky to post pics here, but here is a link to an open flickr account with a quite a few N de M passenger and mail cars.

Wow what a treasure trove of NDM color pix !!!! Thanks so much. Just guessing but supposedly the 10-6 became the later norm on the Aztec EAGLE. I’d love to see Scott offer an NDM 10-6 extra in a couple of  numbers/names !!!!!  Get any NDM FANS that will place reservations to also email Scott about Wanting this (follow thru reservations important). To get this to fly he NEEDS a minimum number of X. 10-6 is a great entry as probable in consist. A different paint scheme adds a twist and will REALLY need good interest to make it happen !!!!  I’m game !!!!   Shoot high and make it possible !!!!!

thanks Sooo much. !!!

cheers !!!!

@boilermaker posted:

Trying to find info and photos of the Aztec Eagle. 

Got to have a Baldwin Centipede to pull it

Great pic, thanks for sharing Bob. I have the Lionel N de M Centipede painted in a later livery.  I had no idea it first appeared in green.

just ordered one of

Missouri Pacific The Eagle 11"x17" Railroad Poster by Andy Fletcher signed  and got a very nice thank you from him. it is a great rendition of the eagle consist. and is going in my new train room we are building, check it out. also asked him if he could do one in texas pacifc / NdeM motif.

@T4TT posted:

Great pic, thanks for sharing Bob. I have the Lionel N de M Centipede painted in a later livery.  I had no idea it first appeared in green.

Lucky Lionel did it !!!  The Centipedes are Amazing to see and quite fascinating but so few buyers. Limited roads had so hard to produce in “O” - limited buyers. I’d love to have the MP Baldwin “Babyface”.  I don’t think we will see Either one any time soon (perhaps Only if one is willing to pay $5000 /pair or more). I hear some background music - “Mission impossible”.

Could the two car Delta Eagle be offered with this project?

@SANTIAGOP23 posted:

Could the two car Delta Eagle be offered with this project?

The 2 car Delta Eagle  could be done. But to be serious I would want the E6 7100 Baggage door version with it. EMD made only one of these the rear engine was removed and made into a 17 ' baggage section and keep the steam generator There is one of these being built of this model in O scale soon to be finished

@Bob Harris posted:

The 2 car Delta Eagle  could be done. But to be serious I would want the E6 7100 Baggage door version with it. EMD made only one of these the rear engine was removed and made into a 17 ' baggage section and keep the steam generator There is one of these being built of this model in O scale soon to be finished

I agree about the EMC AA.... I’d be interested in knowing about the O scale model being built if you don’t mind sharing the details.

@Bob Harris posted:

The 2 car Delta Eagle  could be done. But to be serious I would want the E6 7100 Baggage door version with it. EMD made only one of these the rear engine was removed and made into a 17 ' baggage section and keep the steam generator There is one of these being built of this model in O scale soon to be finished

At first I thought all this is not likely. 2 one-off build Passenger cars and a unique E. But after a lot of Thought - hmmm. Another possible later project A-la Rock Island TA Rocket. Brass E6 and aluminum cars - target 50 - 75ish Buyers.
Perhaps Some green Heavyweights in plastic (I’ve seen some Delta Eagles pics with heavyweights) added.
Be expensive. Enough MP FANATICS to pull off ?  Otherwise you are probably talking about doing brass one offs.

I wrote up an announcement about this because I didn’t see this one. May I add Lionel is selling the unclaimed surplus corrected T&P A sbd B shells. They are available in two numbers. A’s are $125 and B’s are $110 with the Superbass B being $100. Order direct 1-800-454-6635.

Apologies if this is old news - seems a good place for it.

@TrainBub posted:

Well I bet if this flies, it would be at least a year from now Before we would see them.
TrainBub

minimum to get these imported  is 18 months or longer.

@Bob Harris posted:

minimum to get these imported  is 18 months or longer.

Yah that’s more likely. ☹️☹️☹️

With the Eagle being announced, I bet there are some out there regretting passing on the MP E6 because there was no decent passenger cars. Well perhaps now those that missed the MP E6 Need To Email Scott !!!! to do an E6 run 2. We’d need a whole rerun as MP E6 stand alone run would never fly. Perhaps a short E6 run 2 can be added to the EA, E1 run.
Let’s  push for A E6 run 2 !!!!!!

or maybe scott could add M&P Eagle set to the existing E-1 run he has presently going. it would be just a matter of adding another paint scheme to the already Santa Fe and B&O ones.

i know they were E-3's instead of E-1's but don't think they were that much different. maybe somebody more knowledgeable could comment on that.

Actually, E3's and E1's were a lot different.  

The only thing the same, inside or out was the windshield and the truck side frame castings.  Even the type of roller bearings was different.  

But, it was a good thought.

Aztec Eagle fans. If you want to see an “extra” NDM 10-6 sleeper you need to step up and email Scott!!! I’ve asked him for this but he will need to see support/commitment to add it to the Eagle offerings. These cars made it into St. Louis Union Station So they would be cool to have in a MP consist. They’d also be nice for those that bought the NDM F3. If those people can commit, I think it could go. It won’t happen if Scott just Gets “crickets”.

well i am serious and have reservations in for a set of mopac eagle cars, a couple of texas pac cars and a would get a couple of NDM sleepers if offered. also just nailed a nice mth e6 aba set of engines to pull consist with. they will be on their way to bruk for mod to tmcc control. now can only hope the cars dont get cancelled for lack of interest !!!! oh well nothing ventured, nothing gained.

@TrainBub posted:

Aztec Eagle fans. If you want to see an “extra” NDM 10-6 sleeper you need to step up and email Scott!!! I’ve asked him for this but he will need to see support/commitment to add it to the Eagle offerings. These cars made it into St. Louis Union Station So they would be cool to have in a MP consist. They’d also be nice for those that bought the NDM F3. If those people can commit, I think it could go. It won’t happen if Scott just Gets “crickets”.

Sent an email to Scott stating my interest in the NDM sleepers. Added interest in NDM domes/coaches as well. Hopefully enough interest is there to get them produced.

My parents took the train from Fort Worth to Mexico City in the late 1930’s. Dad took 8mm movies but not Quite enough train ones. My best guess is that they rode the Eagle under discussion. Would the NdeM sleepers have been standards or streamline? Dad took me to see the Valle de Mexico roundhouse in 1963. Me met up with a Fort Worth Railfan, Ed McLaughlan, who set us up on a tunnel entrance north of Mexico City. I have 8mm movies of an F unit powered passenger train which was mixed streamline and standard cars. I even have a movie of one of the NdeM 4-8-0s. My youngest daughter keeps promising me she will put these on YouTube for me.  I saw one of the Aztec Eagle steamers in the roundhouse which was I think a 4-8-4. We also rode the narrow gauge from Mexico City to Cuatla. I got off the train when we stopped at a passing siding to let a rock train go buy. I and another railfan got up on top of a cut to film the rock train... as soon as it cleared the up track switch our train hiballed and we were cut off from it. We ran to catch up the older railfan caught up but I (13) was left in the dust. The conductor on the rock train saw the whole thing, plugged in his phone to call the uptrack station to hold our train. They ditched their freight consist and put me in the caboose and ran tender forward to the next station where I was reunited with my frantic mom and dad. I’ll never forget my parents’ generousity for indulging me like that.

@Griff Murphey posted:

My parents took the train from Fort Worth to Mexico City in the late 1930’s. Dad took 8mm movies but not Quite enough train ones. My best guess is that they rode the Eagle under discussion. Would the NdeM sleepers have been standards or streamline? Dad took me to see the Valle de Mexico roundhouse in 1963. Me met up with a Fort Worth Railfan, Ed McLaughlan, who set us up on a tunnel entrance north of Mexico City. I have 8mm movies of an F unit powered passenger train which was mixed streamline and standard cars. I even have a movie of one of the NdeM 4-8-0s. My youngest daughter keeps promising me she will put these on YouTube for me.  I saw one of the Aztec Eagle steamers in the roundhouse which was I think a 4-8-4. We also rode the narrow gauge from Mexico City to Cuatla. I got off the train when we stopped at a passing siding to let a rock train go buy. I and another railfan got up on top of a cut to film the rock train... as soon as it cleared the up track switch our train hiballed and we were cut off from it. We ran to catch up the older railfan caught up but I (13) was left in the dust. The conductor on the rock train saw the whole thing, plugged in his phone to call the uptrack station to hold our train. They ditched their freight consist and put me in the caboose and ran tender forward to the next station where I was reunited with my frantic mom and dad. I’ll never forget my parents’ generousity for indulging me like that.

Pretty cool experiences !!!

My sources are limited but I think NDM Aztec Eagle had heavyweight coaches up front and heavyweight sleepers in rear, MP car(s?) in center.  I don’t know when MP cars went streamline. NDM did later upgrade sleepers to streamline by purchasing 10-5 (I think) and 10-6 (definitely) Sleepers from NYC. I believe this was in the 60s. So they’d possibly/probably be seen With MP Jenks blue cars by then.
I welcome better knowledge of these details.

AztecEAGLE fans. Scott’s just placed NDM 10-6 sleeper on the Eagle reservations page as an extra car !!!! Time to step up and reserve to make sure this gets done. Those that ordered NDM F3s - this starts a consist for you !!! MP fans - these made it to St  Louis Union Station  

thanks Scott !!!!

🙂🤗😊😆😃🙃😜

Sorry to expose my ignorance is that NdeM sleeper streamline or a standard?

Streamline.

@TrainBub posted:

AztecEAGLE fans. Scott’s just placed NDM 10-6 sleeper on the Eagle reservations page as an extra car !!!! Time to step up and reserve to make sure this gets done. Those that ordered NDM F3s - this starts a consist for you !!! MP fans - these made it to St  Louis Union Station  

thanks Scott !!!!

🙂🤗😊😆😃🙃😜

Just ordered 2 to add to my Mopac set! Appreciate Scott adding these so quickly.

These NDM 10-6 are streamlined and ran all the way to St. Louis. They were bought from NYC. SO COOL to be able to add them to the MP consist. Before streamline upgrading, the NDM sleepers were heavyweights. I don’t have references if heavyweights made it into St. Louis. The heavyweights were on the Aztec Eagle for sure as were heavyweight coaches. When Scott does a heavyweight coach run we need to get the NDM coaches as part of that run.
Cheers 🙂👍👍👍👍

@vash44 posted:

Just ordered 2 to add to my Mopac set! Appreciate Scott adding these so quickly.

This drives me to now have to reserve a F3 2nd run NDM. Now can be part of the Eagle “Empire”. Now I have to hope there ends up being enough run 2 NDM reservations. It’s always something 😳😑

Here’s hoping reservations are are coming in. We’ve two beautiful consists to consider and a nice batch of extras that includes Penn and NDM 10-6 thru sleepers. Now - Just to stir the pot a Bit. Is there Anyone Else out there besides me that would Love to See some Jenks Blue EXTRAS ??? These would allow us to Also model later Eagles !!!!  These are contemporaneous with the NDM extra. Great JB extras would be baggage (think mail trains), coach, dome (yes prototypical in JB), and 10-6. This may be our ONLY CHANCE EVER to get models of these cars in Jenks Blue in “O”.
Scott. It’s just different paint and lettering of cars already in set !!!!!  This can add numbers to run total to get offering to fly.
Please email Scott to Voice your interest !  Cheers !!!!!!
Trainbub

Does anybody know if the T&P or MP $2300 8 car set is brass or is it plastic?

@Griff Murphey posted:

Does anybody know if the T&P or MP $2300 8 car set is brass or is it plastic?

Aluminum.

like to know how you can get a riveted car side with Aluminum ?  All MP  are ACF riveted cars , with the chrome molding above and Below the windows his is a must have feature,  Scott still is to much in the dark on this project  for me to jump in and order.

@Bob Harris posted:

like to know how you can get a riveted car side with Aluminum ?  All MP  are ACF riveted cars , with the chrome molding above and Below the windows his is a must have feature,  Scott still is to much in the dark on this project  for me to jump in and order.

We all have different expectations. Sorry you’ve decided this won’t meet yours. This offering will be wonderful as far as I’m concerned as it will replace my quite nice, ordinary, and perhaps generic MTH premier MP 5 car set. I see it as a Very Serious Upgrade - even if it’s not riveted. I look forward to its future delivery and my enjoying it.
Cheers !!! 🙂

All good points Bob and I am throwing this out just for discussion mostly for another project for Scotts E6’s.

At roughly $300 a car, I don’t think you will get the riveted detail you correctly pointed out. On the flip side, there are now MP E6’s with no real consist to pull. So the options for engine owners are as follows:

1: Buy this set and understand the details will have to be “close enough” with correct paint. You at least have something to pull with the E6’s

2: Build your own in brass or plastic if you have the time, talent and money as going this route will probably cost more than $300 per car.

3: Do nothing and wait to see if someone manufactures a set with more or acceptable level of detail.

4: Sell your engine’s and move on to another railroad to model.

In my case, and I am only speaking for myself, I am ok with “close enough” on the details on Streamline cars so long as the paint is correct. I do believe that correct paint is more important for my visual concern as an operator. If the details were spot on and the paint was not accurate, that would cause me more concern. Of course, correct paint AND correct details would be the best, but as I said, you will be much more than $300 per car in cost.

The last E6 run has some really nice engines produced with no passenger cars to haul around (IC, C&NW and UP) just to name a few. While there is another option for the C&NW cars (build your own from a kit), there is not an option for all the others, unless you operate ATSF, SP, NP, PRR or Milwaukee Road - I may have missed a few.

Where this brings us to today is, we as consumers of Scotts products might have a chance to purchase a less than perfect/accurate set of cars for our engines at a fairly reasonable price but will have to live with the understanding that there are some limitations. I’m hoping that there are more people with this same line of thinking so this and other projects can move forward and not get stalled due to lack of customers.

Charlie

I’ll pull my T&P with Lionel F-7s; we will see if we ever get an apropos T&P E unit.
My dream - likely never to be realized -would be a pre streamline era T&P P-1 pacific. Or a TP mountain. Dreaming -sigh.

Well I had to pass on the Texas & pacific 2~10-4 Scott gave us !!!!  And regret it every day . not so with these cars. I know Scott will give the best that can be made. Nobody else will give us them. So let’s support him and get your reservations in.

@Griff Murphey posted:

I’ll pull my T&P with Lionel F-7s; we will see if we ever get an apropos T&P E unit.
My dream - likely never to be realized -would be a pre streamline era T&P P-1 pacific. Or a TP mountain. Dreaming -sigh.

Talk to Harry!! He will be repainting a Lionel E6 and PA engines for me. The E6 will be in T&P motif and PA will be in Mopac scheme. He has the correct decals for each road. Wings and all. Ain’t life grand!!!!

I just put my 610 on the track have a visiting brass hat coming over. Backing it hit a bad Fastrak rail joint. Scared me! Moving right to left this jink stopped her cold.

Here is sampling of what Scott has offered / produced to date (MP TP had no PA, E8 “B” units)

@tangoman posted:

Talk to Harry!! He will be repainting a Lionel E6 and PA engines for me. The E6 will be in T&P motif and PA will be in Mopac scheme. He has the correct decals for each road. Wings and all. Ain’t life grand!!!!

Oops my mistake. According to my research inStouts book T&P had no E6’s. Only E7, E8, & F7’s. So my E7 will be going to Harry for conversion

@TrainBub posted:

Here is sampling of what Scott has offered / produced to date (MP TP had no PA, E8 “B” units)

Gorgeous, anyone want to sell either one, let me know.

@Bob Harris posted:

like to know how you can get a riveted car side with Aluminum ? 

Well, I'm sure it could be done...even credibly...with Archer Transfers' rivet detail decals...at the time of manufacture and certainly before painting/finishing....which would be something 3rd Rail would have to do...at a premium price, I would predict...at a risk of being a reservation breaker for those more willing to compromise...as is more often accepted than not with MTH/Lionel offerings.

Of course, in this world of advances in computer-controlled manufacturing techniques, it would be great if there were a 'dot-jet' printer machine tied to a high speed 2-axis table or printing head just for situations like this.  Material?....anything that would give a durable bond to a parent or treated aluminum/brass surface.  Streamline, heavy weight passenger cars...freight cars galore...I can think of a lot of applications a manufacturer like 3rd Rail could use to merge the best structural material and a printable 3D surface feature material that would be more versatile, less costly than hard tooling.   Or maybe a prep coat or sealcoat that would improve the bond integrity/durability of such printed detail?

BTW...I believe Scott Mann and his team do the due diligence for details better than most manufacturers in this hobby.  It certainly is a benefit to him to know all the subtle details, such as these rivets, that drive make-or-break decisions for a firm reservation.  In the end, however, there probably will be compromises in the interest of keeping cost/pricing under control...to ensure viable production quantities.    I often wonder how many of us wish for a 2nd...or 3rd?...run of an item because of regret for not accepting such compromises or assurances on the first run?

TEHO

KD (a.k.a. Lucas Gudinov)

@Charlie posted:

All good points Bob and I am throwing this out just for discussion mostly for another project for Scotts E6’s.

At roughly $300 a car, I don’t think you will get the riveted detail you correctly pointed out. On the flip side, there are now MP E6’s with no real consist to pull. So the options for engine owners are as follows:

1: Buy this set and understand the details will have to be “close enough” with correct paint. You at least have something to pull with the E6’s

2: Build your own in brass or plastic if you have the time, talent and money as going this route will probably cost more than $300 per car.

3: Do nothing and wait to see if someone manufactures a set with more or acceptable level of detail.

4: Sell your engine’s and move on to another railroad to model.

In my case, and I am only speaking for myself, I am ok with “close enough” on the details on Streamline cars so long as the paint is correct. I do believe that correct paint is more important for my visual concern as an operator. If the details were spot on and the paint was not accurate, that would cause me more concern. Of course, correct paint AND correct details would be the best, but as I said, you will be much more than $300 per car in cost.

The last E6 run has some really nice engines produced with no passenger cars to haul around (IC, C&NW and UP) just to name a few. While there is another option for the C&NW cars (build your own from a kit), there is not an option for all the others, unless you operate ATSF, SP, NP, PRR or Milwaukee Road - I may have missed a few.

Where this brings us to today is, we as consumers of Scotts products might have a chance to purchase a less than perfect/accurate set of cars for our engines at a fairly reasonable price but will have to live with the understanding that there are some limitations. I’m hoping that there are more people with this same line of thinking so this and other projects can move forward and not get stalled due to lack of customers.

Charlie

Quite eloquently said / summarized. 👍

Could you please give contact info for “Harry?”

@dkdkrd posted:

Well, I'm sure it could be done...even credibly...with Archer Transfers' rivet detail decals...at the time of manufacture and certainly before painting/finishing....which would be something 3rd Rail would have to do...at a premium price, I would predict...at a risk of being a reservation breaker for those more willing to compromise...as is more often accepted than not with MTH/Lionel offerings.

Of course, in this world of advances in computer-controlled manufacturing techniques, it would be great if there were a 'dot-jet' printer machine tied to a high speed 2-axis table or printing head just for situations like this.  Material?....anything that would give a durable bond to a parent or treated aluminum/brass surface.  Streamline, heavy weight passenger cars...freight cars galore...I can think of a lot of applications a manufacturer like 3rd Rail could use to merge the best structural material and a printable 3D surface feature material that would be more versatile, less costly than hard tooling.   Or maybe a prep coat or sealcoat that would improve the bond integrity/durability of such printed detail?

BTW...I believe Scott Mann and his team do the due diligence for details better than most manufacturers in this hobby.  It certainly is a benefit to him to know all the subtle details, such as these rivets, that drive make-or-break decisions for a firm reservation.  In the end, however, there probably will be compromises in the interest of keeping cost/pricing under control...to ensure viable production quantities.    I often wonder how many of us wish for a 2nd...or 3rd?...run of an item because of regret for not accepting such compromises or assurances on the first run?

TEHO

KD (a.k.a. Lucas Gudinov)

Many times but mostly because of prior financial commitments. One can only hope for a second run or it comes up on the market.

@tangoman posted:

Gorgeous, anyone want to sell either one, let me know.

I have 3 of the only  15    2 10 4    2 rail done in the T&P. If you want one to buy one.

I am asking 2850 includes shipping.

@Bob Harris posted:

I have 3 of the only  15    2 10 4    2 rail done in the T&P. If you want one to buy one.

I am asking 2850 includes shipping.

Alas I only have 3 rail layout. Thanks though

Be interesting to know the 2-10-4 3rail - 2rail splits in the different versions of green, black in service, Freedom, Southern excursion (if I remember correctly) and CNW. I believe 125 Total.

Not many of each for sure !!!!!

A friend in Big Spring, Tx bought a 3 rail in the Light Russian green; he inquired and was told there were only about a dozen 3 rail made in what we consider correct (not museum) colors and T&P livery.

Another stir of the EAGLE pot.

B&O didn’t run 10-6 sleepers on MP. That’s why there is no reservation spot for that. They DID run 10-5s. Actually so did Penn (in addition to 10-6). Anyone out there want 10-5s as extras for the consist ??? We need this B&O car and if that , why not the Penn also ????  As usual, both of these are in MP colors. And yes, it’s prototypical.
(and don’t miss reserving the NDM 10-6 extra. It only shows up on the reservation page. It’s Not in MP colors so is a cool stand-out car.)

Email Scott if you WANT these 10-5s !!!!

Cheers

TrainBub

I wish Scott would get with the program and get that Observation  off the description. It is not correct for the Eagle train in either version. They never ran that car, it is correct only for the Missouri River Eagle and its train 1939.

Both MP and T&P only ran the Pullman Dome coach  I can give him a photo  of a  3000 dollar O scale custom built brass  model to replace it Lettered for  I G N # 896 in the Eagle Blue and Gray.

It would be more of what he is going to make. The way it is now to me is misleading.

BH

@Bob Harris posted:

I wish Scott would get with the program and get that Observation  off the description. It is not correct for the Eagle train in either version. They never ran that car, it is correct only for the Missouri River Eagle and its train 1939.

Both MP and T&P only ran the Pullman Dome coach  I can give him a photo  of a  3000 dollar O scale custom built brass  model to replace it Lettered for  I G N # 896 in the Eagle Blue and Gray.

It would be more of what he is going to make. The way it is now to me is misleading.

BH

Scott stated on website that he wants customer input for consist revisions and to “sit tight”. I hope he’s getting feedback. Yes observation car is not prototypical for the Eagle but if big majority want the observation car, that’s what he will do. I prefer it not to be there too but I’ve still reserved a MP 8 car set. What I HAVE DONE is also reserve the MP and T&P extra 5 BR - Lounge cars. With no observation car in the consist, these cars were a nice option for passengers beyond the diner or grill/chair cars.
I hope the 14-4 and 14-2-1 get added to the extras list (these 2 have same exterior but diff insides - easy do for Scott). I’d like to see at least one extra IGN car and perhaps a STL B&M car. I’m greedy and only names/numbers differ but our list of wants get quickly long. I want some Jenks cars too !!! This is likely our only chance of seeing well done EAGLE cars / consist !!!!  

Email Scott what you want !!!!!!!!!!  

Lots of good information is being brought up. I was moved to look in my Collias book and it’s interesting that F-7s regeared for passenger service were sometimes run with E6’s and E-8’s. Those F-7s received passenger paint schemes. The T&P certainly did it their way. Collias states in regard to the Eagle streamline consists that “...no observation cars were ordered by either T&P or MoPac.”

The author also shows a real attractive modernized business car, No. 2, with almost a Harriman roof and a full back porch. That would  make a great tail end car that would satisfy our obsession with an obs car and would be accurate. T&P had a roster of “...five near identical cars for official use.” The photo is on page 153. I’d post it but I’m unsure of the legality...

This photo is of me in 1994 with the business car Ellesmere which was then at the Pate Museum of Transportation in Fort Worth. Does anyone know of its fate?

@TrainBub posted:

Here is sampling of what Scott has offered / produced to date (MP TP had no PA, E8 “B” units)

Nice looking, enjoy them. Were these units delivered with those dual beam lights? Or was this done at some point later in their life?

@BobbyD posted:

Nice looking, enjoy them. Were these units delivered with those dual beam lights? Or was this done at some point later in their life?

I really don’t know. I just accepted as correct for MP TP - period/vintage. Perhaps the 3rd Rail research person who delineated each roads engine details could comment.  
Cheers
TrainBub

@TrainBub posted:

I really don’t know. I just accepted as correct for MP TP - period/vintage. Perhaps the 3rd Rail research person who delineated each roads engine details could comment.  
Cheers
TrainBub

Thanks, have never seen images of E units factory equipped with those headlights.

When did Scott build those E-8s? As I recall he WAS going to make TP ones about 3-4 years ago but dropped the T&Ps as he was concerned there were details such as portholes that were not consistent with T&P practice. I’d have settled for close enough.

@Griff Murphey posted:

When did Scott build those E-8s? As I recall he WAS going to make TP ones about 3-4 years ago but dropped the T&Ps as he was concerned there were details such as portholes that were not consistent with T&P practice. I’d have settled for close enough.

The E8 box end says May 2017. There were MP and T&P 8s done.
E7 Run 3 November 2019 was proposed to have MP and T& P. These were Canceled 😮😖☹️ as they would require new tooling for the porthole windows.
The E8 and E6 Thankfully got the portholes. 🤗  Why the 7s didn’t and the 8 and 6 did .......????

I musta missed it. 2017 was a time of illness for us which was why I initially missed the Lionel F-7s as well.

@Griff Murphey posted:

I musta missed it. 2017 was a time of illness for us which was why I initially missed the Lionel F-7s as well.

Sorry for you missing them - especially because of illness. The nose get a bit more nice when replacing claw coupler/pilot with scale pilot and kaydee.
Did you get an E6 ?  Quite nice !!!!  

I never knew a T&P E unit was made. I second your thoughts on the front couplers, I was just thinking it’d be nice to do that on my powered F-7... and on observation cars’ rear couplers. The Lionel couplers don’t bother me so much between cars...

@Griff Murphey posted:

I never knew a T&P E unit was made. I second your thoughts on the front couplers, I was just thinking it’d be nice to do that on my powered F-7... and on observation cars’ rear couplers. The Lionel couplers don’t bother me so much between cars...

Front and rear coupler replacements makes a World of difference on appearance !!!!!  

I had emailed Scott Mann about offering N de M sleepers as add-on cars to this MoPac set.  The sleepers are on the GGD reservation page.


Of course the N de M sleepers will only be produced if there are enough orders.

N de M cars and engines are offered so rarely.  This is a golden opportunity!  If you are interested in these cars please email Scott, sales@goldengatedepot.com or better yet make your reservation today!

thank you!

I ordered a pair of the N de M sleepers in November. I hope they get produced. Not sure on the threshold required but hope others see it as an opportunity to get them produced in a very nice manner.

@vash44 posted:

I ordered a pair of the N de M sleepers in November. I hope they get produced. Not sure on the threshold required but hope others see it as an opportunity to get them produced in a very nice manner.

Yes it was great to get Scott add the NDM 10-6s to the EAGLE offering. I’m getting the feeling there’s going to be enough people reserving. Because this was offered,  I then reserved a NDM F3. I hope That flies in run 2. The NDM 10-6 might/could get more reservations if Scott would list it on MP TP main page. Even without that, people seem to be finding. That’s good.
also interesting - a NDM diesel has been added to the SD40-2 offering. The NDM fans are watching and emailing Scott. So also needed for Aztec EAGLE are NDM heavyweight coaches in NDM colors. Email Scott about this too.
Cheers.
TrainBub

I ordered 2 N de M sleepers.  I actually ordered the MoPac set because of the N de M sleepers.  Some heavyweights would be great in future!!

@T4TT posted:

I ordered 2 N de M sleepers.  I actually ordered the MoPac set because of the N de M sleepers.  Some heavyweights would be great in future!!

Do you have any Aztec EAGLE consist comments you can contribute. AE info is pretty scarce (at least that’s what I’ve encountered). I’ve found that heavyweight coaches ran up front and eventually streamlined 10-5s and 10-6s (purchased from NYC) in the rear. Some MP car(s ?) in the middle - but references don’t say what. I’ve not yet tried diving into public timetables to see if AE consists are listed.
I guess I’m just looking for an NDM Aztec Eagle consist “Champion” to step up.

And it’s cool to have you “buy in” to the MP EAGLE offering !!!  
CHEERS !!!!

@Bob Harris posted:

well now people.Scoot is Listening .

This is a MUST MUST have for me.

Anyone wanting to have their EAGLE include a Mexico consist - that is the Aztec Eagle - take note that Scott has sent out notices to those with F3 run2 reservations that production will begin soon. That includes NDM F3 !!! That probably means reservations close Soon!! Time to step up or just have regrets later. We also have a NDM 10-6 sleeper on the reservation page if anyone has been shy about going there (Hint). Down the road we target some NDM Coaches in the next Heavyweight offering !!!

I saw NdeM passenger consists north of Mexico City. Tempting but I am about maxed out on space and funds for trains. The impending Lionel Katy pacific with (WAIT for IT!!) a first time OIL TENDER also beckons (but not the yucky Texas Special cars). Gotta focus on my beloved T&P. Btw sympathy please... after Christmas I unboxed my new Lionel TP legacy F-7 ABA, the powered A would not run on conventional- gotta send her back to Gryzboski’s.

@Griff Murphey posted:

I saw NdeM passenger consists north of Mexico City. Tempting but I am about maxed out on space and funds for trains. The impending Lionel Katy pacific with (WAIT for IT!!) a first time OIL TENDER also beckons (but not the yucky Texas Special cars). Gotta focus on my beloved T&P. Btw sympathy please... after Christmas I unboxed my new Lionel TP legacy F-7 ABA, the powered A would not run on conventional- gotta send her back to Gryzboski’s.

Out of the box and doesn’t work stinks !!! Sorry any time I hear that.  I get only so much $ for the “train budget” too. As for space, I’m pretty limited in a condo. In fact, I’m mostly full with storage capacity. When something shows up that I REALLY Want, it means something has got to go ! The “empire” had to shrink having downsized to a condo too. ☹️

NEWLY REVISED EAGLE CONSISTS/options posted to Scott’s Golden Gate Depot website !!!!  

Nicely executed !!!  
Those waiting for revisions - time to STEP UP and reserve !!!!!

Cheers !!!!

@Bob Harris posted:

I wish Scott would get with the program and get that Observation  off the description. It is not correct for the Eagle train in either version. They never ran that car, it is correct only for the Missouri River Eagle and its train 1939.

Both MP and T&P only ran the Pullman Dome coach  I can give him a photo  of a  3000 dollar O scale custom built brass  model to replace it Lettered for  I G N # 896 in the Eagle Blue and Gray.

It would be more of what he is going to make. The way it is now to me is misleading.

BH

Bob.
I hope you’ve seen Scott’s updates for the EAGLE by now. I think the revisions will satisfy most prototypical fans. A option to choose an observation car (always popular) or a prototypical 14-4 sleeper is really a nice deal !!!  I REALLY welcome the 14-4. Scott also added a Correct B&O 10-5 in the extra car department. Also a great Add.  
We can now put together a Really Cool consist sans observation car - the 6 “core” cars of bag, express, chair, dome chair, grill, diner PLUS at least 5 sleepers - 10-6, 14-4, Penn 10-6, B&O 10-5, and 5BR-Lounge (and a 6th NDM if you wish). Those with monster layouts (or access to club layouts) can add additional Chair, dome chair, 10-6 for a huge consist.

Hope these revisions are acceptable enough to get you “buy in” and make a reservation. They are a significant improvement for the offering !!!!

Cheers. 🙂
TrainBub

@TrainBub posted:

The E8 box end says May 2017. There were MP and T&P 8s done.
E7 Run 3 November 2019 was proposed to have MP and T& P. These were Canceled 😮😖☹️ as they would require new tooling for the porthole windows.
The E8 and E6 Thankfully got the portholes. 🤗  Why the 7s didn’t and the 8 and 6 did .......????

Because the newer models are made with slide molds where the sides can be changed.  But the E7s were the first 3rdrail plastic diesels made (10+ years ago) and they had fixed molds back then so would require a whole new set of molds.

I wish I had more information about the Aztec Eagle.  I have spent way too much time searching the web and have come up with very little. 

I am leaning towards the 14-4 option over the observation car.  What would the order of the cars?

baggage
baggage express
chair
dome chair
grill
diner
Sleepers (10-6 Sleeper & 14-4 Sleeper)

How would the last car in the train have been treated?  Would it have had marker lights or an MoPac medallion?  The nice thing about the observation car is that it visually represents the end of the train.  While not prototypical is a beautiful car and for me it "feels" right that passenger trains end with obs cars!   

I really appreciate the knowledge and information shared on this forum!  Thank you!

@rdunniii posted:

Because the newer models are made with slide molds where the sides can be changed.  But the E7s were the first 3rdrail plastic diesels made (10+ years ago) and they had fixed molds back then so would require a whole new set of molds.

Oh I sure hope if there is another E7 run sometime in the future, we can get MP and T&P models. This diesel is a significant gap in MP, TP power for us that model these roads. (But also understand I Appreciate Scott doing the MP, TP E8s and the MP E6)

@T4TT posted:

I wish I had more information about the Aztec Eagle.  I have spent way too much time searching the web and have come up with very little.

I am leaning towards the 14-4 option over the observation car.  What would the order of the cars?

baggage
baggage express
chair
dome chair
grill
diner
Sleepers (10-6 Sleeper & 14-4 Sleeper)

How would the last car in the train have been treated?  Would it have had marker lights or an MoPac medallion?  The nice thing about the observation car is that it visually represents the end of the train.  While not prototypical is a beautiful car and for me it "feels" right that passenger trains end with obs cars!   

I really appreciate the knowledge and information shared on this forum!  Thank you!

The Aztec Eagle is a tough nut to source good or appropriate info. A 10-6 or two in NDM colors for the rear of a consist is a nice start. A MP grill or Diner moving forward might, Might be appropriate, and then in front, 2 NDM heavyweight coaches (I’ve been campaigning Scott for a plastic heavyweight coach run - with NDM included). I’ve a NDM F3 on order. This is my Aztec Eagle consist goal/scenario to which I aspire. Simple but decent.  

I haven’t paid much attention to car order but your order might be correct. The grill could be forward - I’ll eventually see if I can find out. Sleepers last. The extra Penn and B&O sleeper cars fit in nicely and I don’t think they are last (TRRA had “fun” switching in the Thru sleepers and keep the trains departing on schedule).  The 5BR-Fountain/Lounge becomes interesting as a possible observation car / replacement - last car. (Only 3. 1 MP, 2 T&P) That may not be prototypical - but it plays nice in my mind. A place to go to that’s not the grill or diner.  Add in the extra sleepers and you have a heck of a consist with 5 sleepers.  

I don’t know if the last car had a drumhead, a gate, or gate and drum..... or nothing.

I lean towards the 14-4 myself - to be prototypical. There were only Two MP observation cars and they were on the Missouri River Eagle that ran between St. Louis, KC, and Omaha.

One more time - the solution from a modelers’ standpoint might well be a business car. Esthetically it would make modelers happy looking at the train and would be prototypical. I’d hate to have to cut the 3 rail coupler off that dome lounge. I don’t know if Scott has anything close to any of the T&P’s which I believe some or maybe most were old truss rod wooden cars sheeted over to look metal with the clerestory roofs covered as well like Harrimans. Might be a subject for scratchbuilding or reworking a LaBelle wood kit. Maybe rework a Harriman steel obs sand off the rivets and add truss rods...

The comment about the IGN is interesting. I had a few old T&P guys as patients and one fellow in particular was trying to tell me about the “Ginny Railroad” which is I guess what the T&P guys called it. I would welcome more information about its relationship with the T&P. What we DON’T know about the T&P is a pretty substantial deficit.

@Griff Murphey posted:

One more time - the solution from a modelers’ standpoint might well be a business car. Esthetically it would make modelers happy looking at the train and would be prototypical. I’d hate to have to cut the 3 rail coupler off that dome lounge. I don’t know if Scott has anything close to any of the T&P’s which I believe some or maybe most were old truss rod wooden cars sheeted over to look metal with the clerestory roofs covered as well like Harrimans. Might be a subject for scratchbuilding or reworking a LaBelle wood kit. Maybe rework a Harriman steel obs sand off the rivets and add truss rods...

The comment about the IGN is interesting. I had a few old T&P guys as patients and one fellow in particular was trying to tell me about the “Ginny Railroad” which is I guess what the T&P guys called it. I would welcome more information about its relationship with the T&P. What we DON’T know about the T&P is a pretty substantial deficit.

I hope you were able to get the recent GGD plastic T&P heavyweights. They can nicely be worked into a T&P consist. (Couldn’t get him to do MP ☹️).  Issued were RPO, baggage, diner, observation. I’ve campaigned to Scott for a follow on coach run.
I’d like to see an IGN (MP in Texas subsidiary / International Great Northern) car added to the extras. Probably only chance to ever see one of these cars !!!  At least a couple of car options. Only thing different from all the cars offered is the car name and IGN in small letters by the door.

Rattler 21 sold me the baggage - I had no idea they were being made as we had some serious health issues in 2017 and I was not following new releases. I wish Scott had  a roadname based database and could send out notice of offerings to those of us with specialist interests. T&P is normally a model RR desert then when they come that’s all, folks.

Another EAGLE Option Added !!!!
Just added 14-4 to extras.  Now you can have your prototypical consist (sans observation car) or the consist with the observation car and can add a 14-4 if you wish. We can do prototypical and have a beautiful observation car too.  Really Nice Option !!!  Choice is a good thing !!!  🙂😁😜

CHEERS !!!

Can you post the site to go to for that? When I try to look up Scott’s site I usually (always) get incomplete stuff and listings of product from other secondhand sources etc.

BTW I am hoping to recover my dvd I made of my and my dad’s 8mm home movies of early 60’s NdeM stuff - I will try to see if I can put on pix of passenger consists. Also have some movies of the Lancaster Yard in the closing days of T&P I think about 1972. Just 8mm and I don’t want to promise too much first step is getting them back from youngest daughter who was going to put them on youtube.

@Griff Murphey posted:

Can you post the site to go to for that? When I try to look up Scott’s site I usually (always) get incomplete stuff and listings of product from other secondhand sources etc.

BTW I am hoping to recover my dvd I made of my and my dad’s 8mm home movies of early 60’s NdeM stuff - I will try to see if I can put on pix of passenger consists. Also have some movies of the Lancaster Yard in the closing days of T&P I think about 1972. Just 8mm and I don’t want to promise too much first step is getting them back from youngest daughter who was going to put them on youtube.

Scott’s webpage is

goldengatedepot.com

The “general” page will come up and you can scroll down to “new announcements O scale”. Click there to go to next page. Scroll down to EAGLE section to see options. Click “reserve today” to go to reservations page if you are ready for that. LOTS of options for a TP guy like you.  

Cheers !!! 🙂👍  
TrainBub

PS Hope you can recover some of those pix or find out if you daughter Did get the 8mm onto utube.

Ok help me out here, I don’t see listings for either a baggage or an obs. But the 8 car set can be had with the (fictional) obs, or NOT. So are the baggage and observation cars sold only with the 8 car set? Right now I am only a seasonal shoe lever carpet fine scale modeler. I am planning on demolition of my HO empire and a simple 8x12ft. O layout and am afraid the train is going to be chasing its tail if I get an 8 car set.

@Griff Murphey posted:

Ok help me out here, I don’t see listings for either a baggage or an obs. But the 8 car set can be had with the (fictional) obs, or NOT. So are the baggage and observation cars sold only with the 8 car set? Right now I am only a seasonal shoe lever carpet fine scale modeler. I am planning on demolition of my HO empire and a simple 8x12ft. O layout and am afraid the train is going to be chasing its tail if I get an 8 car set.

Yes the baggage and Observation car are available Only in the 8 car set. I get the “chasing it’s tail” as I also have only an 8x12 layout. No matter what -  Consider using only one large diesel (like E8) or two smaller ones (like F3s). If you try to use ABAs, you Really run out of room. 4 or 5 cars can work reasonably well with the abbreviated power up front. Leave the other cars in the “yard” or siding or have them for use in a second train - a smaller “local” consist. The cars look nice with 072 but will run with 054. What can really expand you layout options are Curved Turnouts. I use Ross O96/72 and O72/54 to really increase my layout options.

So one choice is splitting the 8 car set for multiple consists.  
The other choice is to build your own consist. Scott’s given us some wonderful “extra” cars to choose from. You are lucky you got that T&P heavyweight Baggage car.  Use it and add what you like/want from the Scott’s long list of “extras”. Pick a chair car or two, a dome chair (T&P had Only One !!!), and a sleeper. The 5BR-Fountain Lounge (TP had 2) is a cool option as it’s kind of an observation car substitute.  Don’t fret the observation car- T&P never had one.
You can build a Very Nice consist with the available choices.
It can work out many ways for you. Lots of options. Choice Is Good !!! 🙂🙂👍👍Cheers !!!! 😀

Trainbud

Yes I have seen the revisions and and makes more since to do that for those who want and Observation, the N de M add oms are well . now to be clear I have reserved  the N de M  cars.

I have not reserved the remainder of the cars for a very good reason.  I have already been building a brass Texas Eagle the past 5 years using the De Plains MP kits and some Kemtron kits. The remainder are scratched built from 020" sheet brass and rolled roofs. I am 10 cars into a 15 car train.

So with that comment, it makes no since for me to purchase complete sets with what I have already done. So I will purchase the add ons.

I have only made comments as a heads up for Scott to give you the best accumulate trains for the buck. I have helped him many times over the years on projects that have has gross Eras  made. But some have been very good as they should be. The MP  PA versions were one of them.

So here is another heads for the Observation. The rear emblem is a very heavy casting as you can see by my added photo's You need to push Scott that this be done right.

Regards Bob

@Bob Harris posted:

Trainbud

Yes I have seen the revisions and and makes more since to do that for those who want and Observation, the N de M add oms are well . now to be clear I have reserved  the N de M  cars.

I have not reserved the remainder of the cars for a very good reason.  I have already been building a brass Texas Eagle the past 5 years using the De Plains MP kits and some Kemtron kits. The remainder are scratched built from 020" sheet brass and rolled roofs. I am 10 cars into a 15 car train.

So with that comment, it makes no since for me to purchase complete sets with what I have already done. So I will purchase the add ons.

I have only made comments as a heads up for Scott to give you the best accumulate trains for the buck. I have helped him many times over the years on projects that have has gross Eras  made. But some have been very good as they should be. The MP  PA versions were one of them.

So here is another heads for the Observation. The rear emblem is a very heavy casting as you can see by my added photo's You need to push Scott that this be done right.

Regards Bob

All comments, guidance, and suggestions from Everyone Are Welcome !!!  The goal is to have Scott to be able to produce the Best, Accurate Product Possible !!!!  So thanks for the Observation tail detail comments and pictures.
I admire and appreciate those that have the patience and skills (and time) to build their own cars.
Thanks for ordering the NDM extra car. It all contributes to Scott’s minimum number requirements.
Cheers  
Trainbub

Here’s a sidebar - heads up notice for MP and T&P fans.  
Beth of “Public Delivery Track” will try to get a short run of the MTH Premier CA-1 wood caboose done in MP and T&P. The caboose model is a well done beauty. Check out in “Traditional “ header threads. It’s buried in “freight cars” thread I believe for now. Needs own thread.   Quality MP and T&P caboose are scarce to non existent. Lots of emails to her will help her calibrate support - commerciality of run. I’ll be in for a MP and TP for sure if this flies.   Here’s hoping Beth can pull it off. (And check out her St. Louis-centric TRRA SW 15 (MTH RK) offering on her website!!! Three #s offered.  It’s “a go” ).
Caboose - Another stir the pot effort  
from TrainBub 👍😬😜

Cheers !!! 🙂

Well it won’t be a “Muley”  but it will be worth having!

great post!

Good News from Scott !!!! (News / production schedules Posted in SD40-2 thread).
The E-6 will get a second run. Those that missed the MP AB beauty the first time will now have a second chance. This should be helpful for those that won’t reserve the EAGLE passenger offering because there is no 3rd Rail engine to pull it.  FYI - MP had 2 ABs.
Cheers !!!!  
PS. Perhaps we can get even some more mileage out of this if we can get Scott to offer an E6 Jenks Blue version too !!!

Wow that is great news. My understanding is that T&P had no B’s. The art on a T&P letter shows AA power.

@Griff Murphey posted:

Wow that is great news. My understanding is that T&P had no B’s. The art on a T&P letter shows AA power.

E6 MP 2 “AB”  T&P none
E7 MP ABs T&P “A” only    
E8 MP and T&P “A” only    
I bet one might (?) find a photo of an E6 that found its way onto T&P track if one tried - but it will be a MP unit.

Oh well

I saw a picture on Trainorders.com that showed how the T&P used F-7 b units with their E units during peak passenger periods.