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Hi all,

Haven’t posted for awhile but continuing to make progress on my layout. 

I am mostly a Postwar guy with a bit of MPC thrown in since I grew up in the ‘70s. For Christmas, I received a 56 Berkshire Jr. engine, my first modern Lionel locomotive. I was not at all sure what to expect as my layout is completely analog with a ZW for trains and a KW for accessories. 

Here is a video of what a modern engine looks like on my conventional layout, in case anyone was wondering (as I was) how this would work out. You’ll notice I have the smoke turned off. 

Enjoy!

Kevin

 

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You'll get used to the "silent" e-unit as that break release slowly takes it's place (then maybe drives you nuts ).  Already an imrovement, but slow operation really is even better with command. (nice for relaxing..."look Ma no hands" "silent" running)

More than just chuff,  I like to keep the tender always parked on a powered siding for the cycling sounds. It also allows a "ambient" bell to be used no matter what I run. (a diode on a button can be added to coax it's bell to life. A diode for another whistle button too if your old one acts too slow to call up the other special features (crew talk?...read the manual).. just search for a thread or ask how)

Actually, using a whistle/bell version will help. You have a 5v whistle boost that a modern engine doesn't need; it speeds up. Old air whistles needed a 5v throttle boost to turn the larger whistle motor without slowing the engine. Modern locos use tiny motors or electronics; more efficient so the boost get used mostly by the motor.

Smoke on or off has little to do with "survival" of anything but the smoke unit itself, mostly the resistor. Running it dry will shorten it's heating life already measure in x hours.  If you don't like it, don't use it, but a  fear of using it because of some kinda poor design issue is kinda unfounded. It's not as foolproof as PW ni-chrome, but is cheap and simple to replace. (many more complicated issues are actually over the smoke fan, which I dont think that has one of)  Liquid smoke resistor types have also been around since PW. They may or may not burn up if they go dry. I have had plenty go dry and survive; but liquid definitely cools and extends element life tremendously; Just an fyi it usually isn't instantaneous.

I think modern locomotives run great on a Postwar layout like that of Kevin and myself. Below is a video showing a LionChief Plus Erie Camelback and a LionChief Plus NJ Central Pacific running in remote mode on the 2 main lines in the laundry room division of my Postwar layout:

Love the prototypically slow and steady speed of such modern engines, which rarely derail on my Postwar 022 switches and sharp 031 curved tubular track.  Arnold

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You'll get used to the "silent" e-unit as that break release slowly takes it's place (then maybe drives you nuts ).  Already an imrovement, but slow operation really is even better with command. (nice for relaxing..."look Ma no hands" "silent" running)

More than just chuff,  I like to keep the tender always parked on a powered siding for the cycling sounds. It also allows a "ambient" bell to be used no matter what I run. (a diode on a button can be added to coax it's bell to life. A diode for another whistle button too if your old one acts too slow to call up the other special features (crew talk?...read the manual).. just search for a thread or ask how)

Actually, using a whistle/bell version will help. You have a 5v whistle boost that a modern engine doesn't need; it speeds up. Old air whistles needed a 5v throttle boost to turn the larger whistle motor without slowing the engine. Modern locos use tiny motors or electronics; more efficient so the boost get used mostly by the motor.

Smoke on or off has little to do with "survival" of anything but the smoke unit itself, mostly the resistor. Running it dry will shorten it's heating life already measure in x hours.  If you don't like it, don't use it, but a  fear of using it because of some kinda poor design issue is kinda unfounded. It's not as foolproof as PW ni-chrome, but is cheap and simple to replace. (many more complicated issues are actually over the smoke fan, which I dont think that has one of)  Liquid smoke resistor types have also been around since PW. They may or may not burn up if they go dry. I have had plenty go dry and survive; but liquid definitely cools and extends element life tremendously; Just an fyi it usually isn't instantaneous.

Great! Thanks for taking the time to reply. How difficult/expensive would it be to add Command to this type of layout? When you say "a whistle/bell version," are you talking about a switch or an entire transformer? (Edit: I just saw in the manual that I only need to add a bell button to the track, so looks very simple.)

On the smoke, I have it off because I'm waiting for a bottle of new fluid. I have a bottle here that is 35 years old and don't feel confident it is the right stuff to put in a new engine. Do you know if there is a difference?

Anyway, lots to learn for me as I get back in the hobby after a long absence. I am finding the manuals for the new locos online, and that is helpful. Clearly I'm missing some of the functionality with my current set up so I'll do what I can as long as I don't have to make any major (read: expensive) changes.

Kevin

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Arnold D. Cribari posted:

I think modern locomotives run great on a Postwar layout like that of Kevin and myself. Below is a video showing a LionChief Plus Erie Camelback and a LionChief Plus NJ Central Pacific running in remote mode on the 2 main lines in the laundry room division of my Postwar layout:

Love the prototypically slow and steady speed of such modern engines, which rarely derail on my Postwar 022 switches and sharp 031 curved tubular track.  Arnold

Arnold - wow, those look great! I too like running long, slow trains and I am curious to learn more about "remote mode." Is that what you are using to cause the engines to run at such steady speeds? I'm not able to do that at all in manual control with the ZW.

Thanks for sharing!

Kevin

 

Stick to the new fluid for warranty reasons, but once that runs out I'd try it. My last little tube from the 70s just got used up a few years ago, it was fine.

The whistle bell button can be made to stand alone. No mods to transformer, it still works and boosts your old stuff same as always. You want two big diodes about 16a and 2 15-20a buttons or three way temp switch, on,off,on. Maybe a project box or under layout mounting panel too.

 

CoastsideKevin posted:
Arnold D. Cribari posted:

I think modern locomotives run great on a Postwar layout like that of Kevin and myself. Below is a video showing a LionChief Plus Erie Camelback and a LionChief Plus NJ Central Pacific running in remote mode on the 2 main lines in the laundry room division of my Postwar layout:

Love the prototypically slow and steady speed of such modern engines, which rarely derail on my Postwar 022 switches and sharp 031 curved tubular track.  Arnold

Arnold - wow, those look great! I too like running long, slow trains and I am curious to learn more about "remote mode." Is that what you are using to cause the engines to run at such steady speeds? I'm not able to do that at all in manual control with the ZW.

Thanks for sharing!

Kevin

 

Kevin, Lionel makes LionChief Plus engines that can be run conventionally with a transformer, or in remote mode using the remote unit that comes with the engine.

In remote mode, you set your transformer at 17 or 18 volts, and control the speed of the engine with the hand held remote unit.  The remote unit has a few other functions such as forward, neutral, reverse, whistle, bell and coupling/uncoupling (front and rear for switchers). Arnold

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Note Lionchief  is remote only, LC+ is conventional or remote (somewhere there in later versions of one, bluetooth phone/device control becomes available).  Remote control and TMCC/or Legacy do not intermix with LC/LC+ controller wise, but can play together on one loop off of one (big) power supply.

They all should run NEW locos better as the use pulsewaves of a full 14-18v to get more low end torque for dead stop movement without wheelslip. It "sees" the motor speed and applies a slightly longer or shorter voltage pulse each time, at lighting speed. We just see steady running

Anti collision would still need block sensing at least. The trains don't actually see each other physically so much as they can be controlled or "balanced" better.

The cost of a whistle/bell button is pretty cheap if kept simple and sans-a 5v boost. The actual switch is likely the most costly part. The electrical theory itself an interesting method of mixing dc with ac that imo stands to be a better beginners example to learn from than I ever had.  I looked at ac &dc as nearly unrelated, and less combinable than they can be (2 offset ac waves, as in unequal + and - waves of an ac cycle, the offset can almost be looked at as a form of  pulsed dc+ or dc- charge added to a normal ac wave, "piggybacking". Dc relays ignore  equal waves and sees the offset as dc... this needs its own thread, and the info is in a billion others too, lol. If you start one let me know, maybe drop a link here, etc.)

The cost of LC and LC+ is "built in". Remotes are supplied.

The cost of TMCC is about $50 to a couple hundred "depending" on luck and  how you build the system.  It is no longer a "current" system. Sunset is the new board source for tmcc conversion and (some)replacement boards  . The new system would be Legacy. There is some tmcc control of Legacy options, Legacy controls most of tmcc without a hitch(maybe all .??)  

LC+, TMCC, and Legacy can be run conventionally too. At start up, if the loco sees about 5v voltage instead of 14-18v, it goes into conventional mode. (can be wake up call if power flutters at start up. They go into conventional at  14-18v and rocket down the rails suddenly. Often a few at time...maybe all.  Thats why parking sidings still get  blocks & toggles

Arnold D. Cribari posted:
CoastsideKevin posted:
Arnold D. Cribari posted:

I think modern locomotives run great on a Postwar layout like that of Kevin and myself. Below is a video showing a LionChief Plus Erie Camelback and a LionChief Plus NJ Central Pacific running in remote mode on the 2 main lines in the laundry room division of my Postwar layout:

Love the prototypically slow and steady speed of such modern engines, which rarely derail on my Postwar 022 switches and sharp 031 curved tubular track.  Arnold

Arnold - wow, those look great! I too like running long, slow trains and I am curious to learn more about "remote mode." Is that what you are using to cause the engines to run at such steady speeds? I'm not able to do that at all in manual control with the ZW.

Thanks for sharing!

Kevin

 

Kevin, Lionel makes LionChief Plus engines that can be run conventionally with a transformer, or in remote mode using the remote unit that comes with the engine.

In remote mode, you set your transformer at 17 or 18 volts, and control the speed of the engine with the hand held remote unit.  The remote unit has a few other functions such as forward, neutral, reverse, whistle, bell and coupling/uncoupling (front and rear for switchers). Arnold

Interesting. I like the idea of set it and forget it. Will the engines maintain steady speed even on my 4% grades?

Adriatic posted:

Note Lionchief  is remote only, LC+ is conventional or remote (somewhere there in later versions of one, bluetooth phone/device control becomes available).  Remote control and TMCC/or Legacy do not intermix with LC/LC+ controller wise, but can play together on one loop off of one (big) power supply.

They all should run NEW locos better as the use pulsewaves of a full 14-18v to get more low end torque for dead stop movement without wheelslip. It "sees" the motor speed and applies a slightly longer or shorter voltage pulse each time, at lighting speed. We just see steady running

Anti collision would still need block sensing at least. The trains don't actually see each other physically so much as they can be controlled or "balanced" better.

The cost of a whistle/bell button is pretty cheap if kept simple and sans-a 5v boost. The actual switch is likely the most costly part. The electrical theory itself an interesting method of mixing dc with ac that imo stands to be a better beginners example to learn from than I ever had.  I looked at ac &dc as nearly unrelated, and less combinable than they can be (2 offset ac waves, as in unequal + and - waves of an ac cycle, the offset can almost be looked at as a form of  pulsed dc+ or dc- charge added to a normal ac wave, "piggybacking". Dc relays ignore  equal waves and sees the offset as dc... this needs its own thread, and the info is in a billion others too, lol. If you start one let me know, maybe drop a link here, etc.)

The cost of LC and LC+ is "built in". Remotes are supplied.

The cost of TMCC is about $50 to a couple hundred "depending" on luck and  how you build the system.  It is no longer a "current" system. Sunset is the new board source for tmcc conversion and (some)replacement boards  . The new system would be Legacy. There is some tmcc control of Legacy options, Legacy controls most of tmcc without a hitch(maybe all .??)  

LC+, TMCC, and Legacy can be run conventionally too. At start up, if the loco sees about 5v voltage instead of 14-18v, it goes into conventional mode. (can be wake up call if power flutters at start up. They go into conventional at  14-18v and rocket down the rails suddenly. Often a few at time...maybe all.  Thats why parking sidings still get  blocks & toggles

Wow, thanks for all the great information. Super helpful overview of the current systems, which are all totally new to me. I may try a LC+ locomotive and see how I like it. Feels like it would be moving in a whole new direction, possibly a costly one!

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

I think modern locomotives run great on a Postwar layout like that of Kevin and myself. Below is a video showing a LionChief Plus Erie Camelback and a LionChief Plus NJ Central Pacific running in remote mode on the 2 main lines in the laundry room division of my Postwar layout:

Love the prototypically slow and steady speed of such modern engines, which rarely derail on my Postwar 022 switches and sharp 031 curved tubular track.  Arnold

I like that you have it as 461' to center and you've planted the monuments too. Not many people remember that. It took quite a poke to hit it out to left center and center field of the original Yankee Stadium (before the 1st renovation).

xrayvizhen posted:
Arnold D. Cribari posted:

I think modern locomotives run great on a Postwar layout like that of Kevin and myself. Below is a video showing a LionChief Plus Erie Camelback and a LionChief Plus NJ Central Pacific running in remote mode on the 2 main lines in the laundry room division of my Postwar layout:

Love the prototypically slow and steady speed of such modern engines, which rarely derail on my Postwar 022 switches and sharp 031 curved tubular track.  Arnold

I like that you have it as 461' to center and you've planted the monuments too. Not many people remember that. It took quite a poke to hit it out to left center and center field of the original Yankee Stadium (before the 1st renovation).

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I must have 15 to 20 operating accessories that I cherish on my layout, most of which cost hundreds of dollars, and yet these Popsicle stick monuments in my Popsicle stick Yankee Stadium, that cost me less than a dollar, maybe less than a quarter, is my favorite thing. LOL.

IMO, that is what makes this hobby so great!

Arnold

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Looks and sounds like my Pennsy Jr. Berk. I believe some were made with and some without TMCC.  If you've got the one with TMCC, adding command is very simple and not very expensive. You can buy used TMCC 1.0 equipment (a command base that gets connected to the outer rail of a loop and a remote control called a CAB-1).  As others have pointed out, this is the old-technology option. I believe Lionel's Legacy equipment is backward compatible. I think there's a full-blown Legacy command base and a lighter 1L command base. Same for the handhelds....there's a more-capable/complex Legacy handheld called a CAB-2 and a new CAB-1 called a CAB-1L. 

Anyway, if your Jr. Berk has TMCC built in, it's very simple to hook up and run command. The command base is an extra component that the newer LionChief Plus locomotives don't require.  

raising4daughters posted:

Looks and sounds like my Pennsy Jr. Berk. I believe some were made with and some without TMCC.  If you've got the one with TMCC, adding command is very simple and not very expensive. You can buy used TMCC 1.0 equipment (a command base that gets connected to the outer rail of a loop and a remote control called a CAB-1).  As others have pointed out, this is the old-technology option. I believe Lionel's Legacy equipment is backward compatible. I think there's a full-blown Legacy command base and a lighter 1L command base. Same for the handhelds....there's a more-capable/complex Legacy handheld called a CAB-2 and a new CAB-1 called a CAB-1L. 

Anyway, if your Jr. Berk has TMCC built in, it's very simple to hook up and run command. The command base is an extra component that the newer LionChief Plus locomotives don't require.  

Very helpful, thanks. I don’t believe it has TMCC - here is what it says on the box:

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CoastsideKevin posted:
raising4daughters posted:

Looks and sounds like my Pennsy Jr. Berk. I believe some were made with and some without TMCC.  If you've got the one with TMCC, adding command is very simple and not very expensive. You can buy used TMCC 1.0 equipment (a command base that gets connected to the outer rail of a loop and a remote control called a CAB-1).  As others have pointed out, this is the old-technology option. I believe Lionel's Legacy equipment is backward compatible. I think there's a full-blown Legacy command base and a lighter 1L command base. Same for the handhelds....there's a more-capable/complex Legacy handheld called a CAB-2 and a new CAB-1 called a CAB-1L. 

Anyway, if your Jr. Berk has TMCC built in, it's very simple to hook up and run command. The command base is an extra component that the newer LionChief Plus locomotives don't require.  

Very helpful, thanks. I don’t believe it has TMCC - here is what it says on the box:

AF59412C-776A-4217-8AF8-025D5EA50879

 

Mine came with TMCC/RailSounds but in the same box as yours indicating it wouldn't have TMCC, just RS.  I think it was part of a set break-up.

Does yours have a cable with a plug to connect the engine to the tender? If so, it probably has TMCC w/RS.  If not, it's just a conventional engine with RS. 

That is quite the attic spread you have there.  I hope you don't live where it is too cold!

I do most of my running at home in conventional mode.  I switched over to a Z4000 last year and have not looked back.  Does a great job of running what ever I throw at it.  I keep the ZW, KW and LW types for temporary use or for accessories/lights.

Rolland

raising4daughters posted:
CoastsideKevin posted:
raising4daughters posted:

Looks and sounds like my Pennsy Jr. Berk. I believe some were made with and some without TMCC.  If you've got the one with TMCC, adding command is very simple and not very expensive. You can buy used TMCC 1.0 equipment (a command base that gets connected to the outer rail of a loop and a remote control called a CAB-1).  As others have pointed out, this is the old-technology option. I believe Lionel's Legacy equipment is backward compatible. I think there's a full-blown Legacy command base and a lighter 1L command base. Same for the handhelds....there's a more-capable/complex Legacy handheld called a CAB-2 and a new CAB-1 called a CAB-1L. 

Anyway, if your Jr. Berk has TMCC built in, it's very simple to hook up and run command. The command base is an extra component that the newer LionChief Plus locomotives don't require.  

Very helpful, thanks. I don’t believe it has TMCC - here is what it says on the box:

AF59412C-776A-4217-8AF8-025D5EA50879

 

Mine came with TMCC/RailSounds but in the same box as yours indicating it wouldn't have TMCC, just RS.  I think it was part of a set break-up.

Does yours have a cable with a plug to connect the engine to the tender? If so, it probably has TMCC w/RS.  If not, it's just a conventional engine with RS. 

No plug, unfortunately. Nice runner, though. 

RLaHaie posted:

That is quite the attic spread you have there.  I hope you don't live where it is too cold!

I do most of my running at home in conventional mode.  I switched over to a Z4000 last year and have not looked back.  Does a great job of running what ever I throw at it.  I keep the ZW, KW and LW types for temporary use or for accessories/lights.

Rolland

Thanks, Rolland. It’s very mild here on the Central CA coast. I was concerned about moisture from the fog so closed off the attic vents for the winter. I may get a dehumidifier if necessary, but so far seems ok. 

RLaHaie posted:

That is quite the attic spread you have there.  I hope you don't live where it is too cold!

I do most of my running at home in conventional mode.  I switched over to a Z4000 last year and have not looked back.  Does a great job of running what ever I throw at it.  I keep the ZW, KW and LW types for temporary use or for accessories/lights.

Rolland

Also, the Z4000 looks great. I had not considered one but I’m sure it has better circuitry protection and just works better all around. Thanks for the tip!

CoastsideKevin posted:
raising4daughters posted:
CoastsideKevin posted:
raising4daughters posted:

Looks and sounds like my Pennsy Jr. Berk. I believe some were made with and some without TMCC.  If you've got the one with TMCC, adding command is very simple and not very expensive. You can buy used TMCC 1.0 equipment (a command base that gets connected to the outer rail of a loop and a remote control called a CAB-1).  As others have pointed out, this is the old-technology option. I believe Lionel's Legacy equipment is backward compatible. I think there's a full-blown Legacy command base and a lighter 1L command base. Same for the handhelds....there's a more-capable/complex Legacy handheld called a CAB-2 and a new CAB-1 called a CAB-1L. 

Anyway, if your Jr. Berk has TMCC built in, it's very simple to hook up and run command. The command base is an extra component that the newer LionChief Plus locomotives don't require.  

Very helpful, thanks. I don’t believe it has TMCC - here is what it says on the box:

AF59412C-776A-4217-8AF8-025D5EA50879

 

Mine came with TMCC/RailSounds but in the same box as yours indicating it wouldn't have TMCC, just RS.  I think it was part of a set break-up.

Does yours have a cable with a plug to connect the engine to the tender? If so, it probably has TMCC w/RS.  If not, it's just a conventional engine with RS. 

No plug, unfortunately. Nice runner, though. 

Yes, definitely. My first modern-era purchase ~2002 was a Nickel Plate Road Jr. Berk with railsounds but not command.  I converted to command a few years later and had it upgraded. The Jr. Berk is one of my favorites and as you've seen it looks at home with postwar-era stuff behind it.

Arnold D. Cribari posted:

I don't have any grades as steep as 4% on my layout so I can't answer that question regarding the steady speed of LC+.

LC+ engines typically cost about $350 to $450, which is quite competitive today.

Hi Arnold,

Was looking around and found this LC+ GP38 for under $300.

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I pulled 32 MPC cars easily today with my PW 2340 GG1 (will post video tomorrow) and am looking for engines that can really pull a load up a grade. My PW 2338 GP-7 is super nice, but it just doesn't get it done uphill. Wondering if this new engine will be significantly better. Thoughts?

Thanks, Kevin

CoastsideKevin posted:
Arnold D. Cribari posted:

I don't have any grades as steep as 4% on my layout so I can't answer that question regarding the steady speed of LC+.

LC+ engines typically cost about $350 to $450, which is quite competitive today.

Hi Arnold,

Was looking around and found this LC+ GP38 for under $300.

f:0" target="_blank">https://www.ebay.com/itm/LIONE...Sws~pcIl9r:rk:1f:0

I pulled 32 MPC cars easily today with my PW 2340 GG1 (will post video tomorrow) and am looking for engines that can really pull a load up a grade. My PW 2338 GP-7 is super nice, but it just doesn't get it done uphill. Wondering if this new engine will be significantly better. Thoughts?

Thanks, Kevin

Kevin, my reverse loops at the ends of my 2 main lines limit me to 10 to 12 cars. Any longer and the train literally hits its own tail, so I can't answer your specific question.

For sheer pulling power, I would consider some Williams diesels with traction tires.  I have a couple that are brutes that can pull heavy loads with ease.

I have 1 TMCC Lionel diesel that runs slow and steady that also pulls heavy loads with ease.

I have no Lionel Legacy or Vision Line engines.

I have 3 LC+ engines. Two of them are steamers (with heft made of metal) that are good pullers. The other is a New Haven FA diesel (2 A units one powered the other non-powered) that lacks heft, and is not a good puller. 

I could be wrong, but when I run my LC+ engines, I don't want to stress them too much. They have sophisticated electronics that I believe make them more delicate than,  for instance, a Postwar GG1 or Postwar FM Trainmaster that are great pullers. Also, the 1 year warranty on the LC+ engines will soon run out, and I have concerns about how to get them repaired if something goes wrong after the warranty expires. 

Arnold 

 

 

Good common sense Arnold.  I too have mostly post-war locomotives and two LC+ locomotives.  I baby the LC+ locos while the post-war variety gets to do the heavy work.  My LC+ locos are recent purchases.  One of them, the Reading GP-7 has a loose wire that normally goes into the coupler.  While it looks like a simple fix, I am going to have it repaired by Lionel or a local service station.  The loco is about a month old.  

So, yes, treat the electronically endowed equipment gently.  

  The fear of overtaxing the electronic boards kinda unfounded, it shouldn't be easy. I'd say carpet static is the biggest danger really, and these boards all laugh at that too.

Lionel does seem to lean towards robust builds in board design. Early MTH is one to avoid until you learn more about them. Early MTH has more quirks you might not have enough electronic experience to deal with right away. A simple mistake or overlooked procedure can toast boards. The newer items are far better in that respect.   There is always the one exception to any rule too

I'd say the weak point is the can motor and some gearing. A trade off for slower running with a can motor, and replacemnts are cheap enough I guess. (I still prefer the open frame....fyi, there are some openframe tmcc where all that is really different from a post war set up is the lack of e-unit noise. You can also find K-line brand with tmcc. ( I really like k-line and Williams. They are often the best "bang for the buck" really. Speaking of "Bang"... RMT is worth looking at. The company is "back" or trying to be, and also makes a fine product. They have always struck me as worthy of supporting.)

Costly? The LC & LC+ are more or less the cheapest model oriented trains Lionel makes.  Only the "toy sets" are cheaper really. (nothin wrong with those either; I'll run anything with a grin) The price increase to include the features wasn't really too bad (it still ticks me off because I just plain don't want it, but if you do, more power to ya! Have some fun )

Command cost can be reasonable or immensely expensive as a whole. The systems are part of a niche themseves; a tech chase is always pricy. A prudent purchase based on real "needs" vs impulse can be reasonable.

At a 4% grade the pulsewidth adjusts the voltage "on time" enough to maintain a steady speed. Any slowing will be hardly seen, if at all.

 The control features are all about mantaining a steady motor rpm.  (and some other features like momentum. Exact features and operations vary, as you can see on yours.  Another e.g., my RS C&0 Berk jr has a different sound set than yours does I think.)

There is also accessory, turnout, etc. etc. control abilities with command too. (sometimes a module is needed...sort of a remote relay bank that makes nearly any action, on any item with a switch, very possible)

Here is one not touched on....with a Power Master add on,( or one of MTH DCS systems), you can run a conventional train in conventional style, but with a remote's throttle vs the transformer.  Raise the transformer throttle and walk around with the remote controlling how much of that power actually reaches the rails. (not pulsewidth)

The Power Master also has a fast acting breaker system that essentially brings an old ZW up to speed on breaker spec when the PM is used between track and ZW.

   In my experience, the only single unit that pulls more than a dual motor PW GG-1 is a dual motor FMTM.  (and now we see Arnold get excited all over again too  ( )  

Some of the new trains are just as brawny as the GG-1s thou. I actually like my k-line GG so much better than my MPC version.  I even sold the MPC. (Ive only sold a few trains ever... 2 Lionels (the other a Columbia), an HO dcc Athern GP (nice), and a Lionel G gauge Narrow Gauge Porter(?)... mostly because folks wanted them and/or I didn't run those much anyhow.... the fact I sold them still kinda dumbfounds me.. no big regret, but it's curiously out of character)

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