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I have a GP7 Legacy diesel with a runaway speed issue. Start the engine and AOK. Nudge the cab 1L throttle and it takes off at full speed.

 

After some forum research it seems that the most likely candidate is a loose or missing flywheel set screw. With the top access panel off, I can see the threaded whole where the set screw is or should be but certainly can't see a screw no matter how hard I look. Tried taking the shell off for a closer look but quickly lost that battle. Does anyone know what the screw is? Is it an allen key?

Thanks!

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Some of the flwheels screws are tiny flatheads , I've used a screwdriver from an eyeglass kit to tighten them.

 

I've had this problem with my legacy gp7 , can't remember which type of screw it had

 

If you run the loco with that hatch off over the flwheel with the tach reader on it. You should be able to see the flywheel slowdown as the loco speeds up veryfing this is indeed the issue.

 

The only way to tighten the screw is to remove the shell. When I did mine I remove the screws on the bottom, the raised the long hood up until the plug for the lighting is exposed.

 

Then  unplug the lighting and you can lift the long hood up and over exposing the motor with the reader. Not much room for fingers to unplug, I believe I used a small screwdriver on one and a fingernail on the other and gently seperated them.

 

The short hood end has a plug as well, but it can stay connected as your rotating the hood over end.

 

One of the "other reasons" I'm not a fan of diesels,its always 5lbs of **** in a 3lb bag.

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Originally Posted by RickO:

One of the "other reasons" I'm not a fan of diesels,its always 5lbs of **** in a 3lb bag.

If you want to see this in spades, take apart the Lionel Legacy Lindbergh Atlantic with whistle smoke.  You can't put a dime in there with all the junk that's stuffed into that little boiler!  I'd rather work on most diesels, much easier to deal with.  The GP7 is roomy compared to many steamers.

 

John and Rick. Thanks and HNY.

Well crap, and I really like that engine. Just looking, after I got the attach screws off my first thought was that this was gonna be worse than my S2 Alco adventure. Will try to isolate the problem better when I get home tonight. I did try rotating the flywheel by hand while holding the truck drive wheels fixed with the other hand and the flywheel can be rotated without the wheels moving. Will also try to run in conventional with speed control off for a visual. Either way I have to rotate that shell up. Will report back with a photo or two.

S

Originally Posted by Lima:

Can you use a dental mirror to see if the set screw is there?

Thought of that earlier but forgot so thanks for the reminder! Will see if they have something like that at the local electronics store. If not, I have to go to the dentist next week and I'll just get one from him!

Originally Posted by Scott T Johnson:
Originally Posted by Lima:

Can you use a dental mirror to see if the set screw is there?

Thought of that earlier but forgot so thanks for the reminder! Will see if they have something like that at the local electronics store. If not, I have to go to the dentist next week and I'll just get one from him!

Used a mirror I got at the electronics store. Just like GRJ said there are two holes in the flywheel. Checked each and saw what appears to be a tiny flat head slot looking back at me but hard to be sure. Either way shell has to get out of the way for screwdriver access. Like Rick said, the ONLY way that shell is lifting up and out of the way is to disconnect the lighting plug. Ugh. I sure would like to see a video of factory workers assembling these things. It can't be any easier for them to put it together than it is for us to take it apart.

Howdy everyone, and yes this is an old thread but relevant for me.  I just purchased a Legacy GP7 for the GN (6-28563).  I have not cracked open the shell yet as I working with the vendor on refunding some of the purchase price.  My immediate concern is if it is not the flywheel set screw and I need a new encoder or DCDS board, it looks like according to the Lionel parts list that these parts may not be available (https://www.lionelsupport.com/...iesel-626?quantity=1)  DCDS Part#cs-691DCDS102-p.  If this is the case, how can I go about getting this loco operational again?  Also, how difficult is it to replace these boards?  I am pretty green with working on Lionel Locos (I have only replaced an LED headlight assembly on my older E7 thus far, should I be thinking about outsourcing this repair?  Any recommendations?

Thanks
Matthew

P.S. - I am having the same issue as described earlier in this thread and a few others.  Legacy functions work fine (programming, lights, sounds, etc).  However, once I turn my Cab2 throttle by one notch, the loco takes off at light speed and is unresponsive.  Loco runs fine in conventional mode but with Legacy cannot control the loco.  I have attempted a reset which seemed to have no effect as well.  My other Legacy locos run fine on the layout.

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If by chance I cannot source the required parts, do you know if the shell of these older runs will swap out with 2020 VOL 2 GP7 runs?  An extreme measure but possible.  Also, what about gutting the electronic guts completely and having it replaced with a Legacy conversion (have seen online people converting old mpc locos and Weavers to legacy).  I realize I am going down a financial rabbit hole but........

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Update:  Partial success.  I removed the shell today and the flywheel from the front motor fell out.  I guess that could be a problem lol.  I reinstalled the flywheel and tightened the set screw and tested the loco out.  Still sporadic speed control with Odyssey on in that loco will lunge a bit and speed up and slow down.  So there is still an issue.  Does the flywheel have to be positioned in any particular way?  What else is there can I look at?  I am almost ready to call it goood and run the loco without Odyssey and chalk this up as a victory in light of the difficulty in getting new boards.

Agree with John, that tone ring on the flywheel must be positioned just right for optimal operation. Look carefully at the tone ring ( black plastic cage looking device on the flywheel ) for any damage, or melted plastic. Installation tips as John mentioned above. Also note if there’s two set screws. If two are present, use them to adjust any wobble in the wheel. Try to get it to spin as true as possible ……watching to be sure the tone ring doesn’t scrub against the sensor,…..

Pat

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