Next Lionel catalog

17 august 2017 according to notch

jim911 posted:

When will we see the next catalog? Any idea's as to what will be in it?

August 17; content top secret.

http://www.notch6.com/

i already have my name in for one of the secrets! 

I was not able to attend the convention but how do I get my name in for one of the secrets?

is one secret an MK5000C or Tier 4 locomotive?

 

Terrance posted:

I was not able to attend the convention but how do I get my name in for one of the secrets?

Wait 15 days and put your order in to your dealer.

Will there be Soo Line GP30 or GP35 with Soo Line 57' mechanical refrigerator cars and Soo Line three-bay & four-bay open-top hoppers and Soo Line gondolas with covers? .

I hope there are N&W Auxiliary Tenders in there.

Yes, I can see the excitement growing, emotions flowing, looking for a mystery train, accessory, rolling stock to be unveiled, similar to the night before Christmas, and the count down is here, 15 long days away, Oh, what a day it will be, to see what Lionel has for Me..(and You)..Wow, what a wonderful hobby it is...Happy Railroading. Great post, thank you.... 

hear is what i hope to see as far as locomotives go

MK5000C

SD70ACe T4

ET44AC

B40-8

KRAUS MAFFEI ML4000 hood unit

SD50M-3

4-8-0 Mollies

Rio grande L105

BQ23-7

DD40AX

MK1200G

F125

Siemens Charger 

MP36PH-3C

DD35B

ALCO C630

ALCO C855

Perhaps already mentioned, but it was mentioned by Megan that there will be two new "starter" sets, off the typical schedule, one Southern Pacific and one the Hot Wheels set with orange Fastrack. 

It sems fairly clear that Lionel reps asked those present not to share the catalog contents prior to its release to dealers.  Not unreasonable nor a problem since knowing about the contents is not a life or death issue .

Between the Lionel 2017 V2 catalog on August 17 and Bond 25 on November 8, 2019, I AM PUMPED!

oh i forgot one train i would like to see 

CP Holiday train

Another Southern Pacific Set? Jeeeez

Would like to see a BNSF Scale Diesel Set with intermodal cars, Southern Pacific Bloody Nose F units, or a Postwar Remake of the Milwaukee Road F3's

"Another Southern Pacific Set? Jeeeez"

I believe this will be a "starter set" not a scale set, but we'll know in 15 days, more or less.

how about some new polar railroad items like the GP7 and SD90mac we had awhile back

Would like:

Alco DH643 - the successful (unlike the Krauss-Maffei) diesel-hydraulic on the SP - nicknamed "alcohaulics", I believe. They could "empty the yard".

Never-done NYC Big Steam - like H-10 Mike, K-5 Pacific, their 2-6-6-2 (yes, they did), 0-8-8-0 hump switcher (yes, they did). This has become my mantra.

GM&O (and other) Baby-Face Baldwins - other than the Centipedes.

All of the above are useless daydreaming, of course. The NYC H-10 and K-5 ideas shouldn't have been this hard to get, but they have been. 

It would be great if in the Volume 2 catalog there were O scale 89' flat cars with Auto Racks THAT ARE painted in 1970's and 1980's era Trailer Train schemes with auto rack schemes for the Norfolk and Western, Denver & Rio Grande Western, Missouri Pacific, COTTON BELT SSW, SCL, L&N, SOUTHERN green, Western Pacific, FRISCO, and The Milwaukee Road. I would actually pay for those 1970's railroads on TRAILER TRAIN 89' flat cars. Please get the graphics right by consulting the archives of TTX and freight car builders.

Andrew

Thank you.

Andrew...  that sounds great

 I will now wait til any Lionel item hits the streets before purchasing them. I hope the AFT and the Conrail OCS set arrive as stated in the catalog. ... And not all at once!

D500 posted:

Would like:

Never-done NYC Big Steam - like H-10 Mike, K-5 Pacific, their 2-6-6-2 (yes, they did), 0-8-8-0 hump switcher (yes, they did). 

 

Wasn't the NYC 0-8-8-0 pretty much a total failure apart from altering the one into two lesser locomotives. But I do understand the modeler wanting any and every locomotive their favorite railroad owned, even if the railroad regretted ever wasting good money purchasing it.

Well, Lionel made Baldwin Centipedes and the actual locomotive was a huge disappointment to the railroad. But have they ever considered making a Baldwin Babyface DR4-4-15? I would guess that they felt it wouldn't sell well.

Lionel's experts decide what they believe will sell. And that is what they should do. I am usually both pleased and disappointed with every catalog. 

My hope for this coming catalog is for it to be significantly different from 2017 Vol 1. 

D500 posted:

Would like:

 

Never-done NYC Big Steam - like H-10 Mike, K-5 Pacific, their 2-6-6-2 (yes, they did), 0-8-8-0 hump switcher (yes, they did). This has become my mantra.

All of the above are useless daydreaming, of course. The NYC H-10 and K-5 ideas shouldn't have been this hard to get, but they have been. 

I'd go for the H-10 and K-5 lettered for the P&LE RR thank you.

Nick

Well, in that podcast Ryan Kunkle said "Looking over some Great Northern art for a new project we're working on right now we are actually changing the orange color".

I would like to see a Milwaukee Road Mallet. They did acquire one from Wheeling & Lake Erie which had been used in the northwest

Kudos to the LCCA attendees for keeping this a secret.  I'm impressed.  For those of us that enjoy the surprise of what is to come, thank-you.  And remember, no matter how much I beg, no matter what I say, absolutely do not tell me what is in the catalog!

 Ok, ok....please tell me, I can't take it anymore.  I was just kidding...tell me please!

So just to break the monotony, anyone venture a guess what movie I was paying tribute to?  BigRail

BigRail posted:

Kudos to the LCCA attendees for keeping this a secret.  I'm impressed.  For those of us that enjoy the surprise of what is to come, thank-you.  And remember, no matter how much I beg, no matter what I say, absolutely do not tell me what is in the catalog!

 Ok, ok....please tell me, I can't take it anymore.  I was just kidding...tell me please!

Well, this "tell some of the kids and keep it a secret from the others" thing seems like grade-school-level stuff to me. Pretty silly.

Just IMHO, of course.

breezinup posted:

BigRail posted:

Kudos to the LCCA attendees for keeping this a secret.  I'm impressed.  For those of us that enjoy the surprise of what is to come, thank-you.  And remember, no matter how much I beg, no matter what I say, absolutely do not tell me what is in the catalog!

 Ok, ok....please tell me, I can't take it anymore.  I was just kidding...tell me please!

Well, this "tell some of the kids and keep it a secret from the others" thing seems like grade-school-level stuff to me. Pretty silly.

Just IMHO, of course.

I know right  just print the darn thing i can't stand the wait anymore

especially if it is all new stuff

"I would like to see a Milwaukee Road Mallet."

Jim911, I'm with you 100%.

I would like to see character handcars.  Lionel has paid for the rights to some comic book characters and some Disney characters.  I know that when I talked to some Lionel employees at the World's Greatest Hobby Show when it was in Phoenix in Feb., one mentioned that they are working on Wi-Fi for handcars and that has delayed future releases; I say forget the electronics.

breezinup posted:

Well, this "tell some of the kids and keep it a secret from the others" thing seems like grade-school-level stuff to me. Pretty silly.

Just IMHO, of course.

What do you expect from a bunch of grown men that play with toy trains??

Having said that, the idea that it won't be a rehash of Vol 1 sounds interesting.

I just have a hunch it will be mostly Lionels line of "throw away trains".

I truly am excited about the new catalog debut, however, if there are exciting items to buy, BTO, I will more than likely have to pass if they are not delivered to my dealer, DTMD, before April 1, 2018....Yes, I plan to retire around that time. So, I will have to hope for some great deals here on the forum...It's been fun, but I am getting older and in reality, I have been blessed with enough nice trains to enjoy for many years to come. I will then be visiting my friends all around the USA and seeing some of the really nice layouts posted on this forum, and those that made the pages of OGR THE MAGAZINE, and of course, OGR THE VIDEO. Happy Railroading....

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

... I hope the AFT and the Conrail OCS set arrive as stated in the catalog. ... And not all at once!

If I were a betting man (which I'm not), I'd say ALL the 21" passenger sets that have been catalog'd over the past 2 years (except for the Theatre cars) will arrive in December 2017.  So get your wallets ready, everyone.

Any ONE of these sets is a good chunk of change, but I feel for some of you guys who have multiple passenger sets on order.  You're gonna get whallop'd in December.  

DD35A.............

Swafford posted:

DD35A.............

Fantasy. EMD only had two DD35 units and three GP35 units in that Demonstrator paint scheme.

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

If I were a betting man (which I'm not), I'd say ALL the 21" passenger sets that have been catalog'd over the past 2 years (except for the Theatre cars) will arrive in December 2017.  So get your wallets ready, everyone.

Any ONE of these sets is a good chunk of change, but I feel for some of you guys who have multiple passenger sets on order.  You're gonna get whallop'd in December.  

If you planned accordingly you should be fine.  They've given everyone more than enough time, intentionally or not, to fund these pre orders.

I can say I've never understood this line of thinking especially when items have been delayed.  Seems you should have had the money for the original due date. Obviously everyone handles their money differently so I guess if you need to start saving, now is the time.

breezinup posted:

Well, this "tell some of the kids and keep it a secret from the others" thing seems like grade-school-level stuff to me. Pretty silly.

Just IMHO, of course.

Membership has it's privileges.  Attending the convention I guess has it's perks as well.  I have no issue with this.  It's all part of being a member of the LCCA to see advanced product.  I'm sure if someone really wanted to "let the cat" out of the bag so to speak, no one will go to jail over it. 

The first thing I always check for is any thing with this road name.

Detroit & Mackinac Railway

Gary

Do you all think the Niagara will be in this one?

Hot Water posted:

Swafford posted:

DD35A.............

Fantasy. EMD only had two DD35 units and three GP35 units in that Demonstrator paint scheme.

No kidding, it's fantasy LOL...................Give it a break Mr. Right! 

The other guy has a Niagara, but they are hard to find....... Yes: Lionel my be in........

Gary

I would like to see a Scale C&O Yellowbelly in legacy ,  Or a Legacy UP Veranda but I wont hold my breath

Swafford posted:

Hot Water posted:

Swafford posted:

DD35A.............

Fantasy. EMD only had two DD35 units and three GP35 units in that Demonstrator paint scheme.

No kidding, it's fantasy LOL...................Give it a break Mr. Right! 

Well,,,,if you aren't going to let the folks know that it is a "fantasy styling" when you post it, don't blame me! Many folks here would not realize that it is a "fantasy scheme".  

BigRail posted:

Kudos to the LCCA attendees for keeping this a secret.  I'm impressed.  For those of us that enjoy the surprise of what is to come, thank-you.  And remember, no matter how much I beg, no matter what I say, absolutely do not tell me what is in the catalog!

 Ok, ok....please tell me, I can't take it anymore.  I was just kidding...tell me please!

So just to break the monotony, anyone venture a guess what movie I was paying tribute to?  BigRail

Young Frankenstein.  Number 2 on my list of favorite films, just ahead of The Frisco Kid.  Oy gevalt!

What, me worry?

The idea of keeping the release secret after it was released to the Lcca in the convention is childish and just plain idiotic.

Not everybody can go to the convention, some don't  have the time and some can't  afford it,  why should they be left out. 

david1 posted:

The idea of keeping the release secret after it was released to the Lcca in the convention is childish and just plain idiotic.

Not everybody can go to the convention, some don't  have the time and some can't  afford it,  why should they be left out. 

As I said attending and membership has it's privileges. 

I'm sure if there was big news an attendee would have posted the ground breaking news by now. As we know not everyone will do as asked.  I guess it's just not that big of deal to me that I can't wait until the 17th. 

MartyE posted:

david1 posted:

The idea of keeping the release secret after it was released to the Lcca in the convention is childish and just plain idiotic.

Not everybody can go to the convention, some don't  have the time and some can't  afford it,  why should they be left out. 

As I said attending and membership has it's privileges. 

I'm sure if there was big news an attendee would have posted the ground breaking news by now. As we know not everyone will do as asked.  I guess it's just not that big of deal to me that I can't wait until the 17th. 

I won't be attending meets or paying their membership fees. So why would I expect to be privy to membership privileged information? I can wait.

The really, really, really big news would be for Lionel to produce a hybrid brass Niagara or Hudson ultra detailed. So . . . . . . . my prediction is:

HYBRID BRASS NIAGARA OR HUDSON ULTRA DETAILED. Of course, it will be ultra expensive !!!

That way Lionel can ask a high price and, as you all know, we'll pay it. Niagara with whistle steam and brass detail. Just give them your credit card and have done with it. 

Hot Water posted:

Swafford posted:

Hot Water posted:

Swafford posted:

DD35A.............

Fantasy. EMD only had two DD35 units and three GP35 units in that Demonstrator paint scheme.

No kidding, it's fantasy LOL...................Give it a break Mr. Right! 

Well,,,,if you aren't going to let the folks know that it is a "fantasy styling" when you post it, don't blame me! Many folks here would not realize that it is a "fantasy scheme".  

LOL...........................Blame you! Seriously? LOL!!! 

Get a life Mr. Right! It is a fantasy color scheme! No big deal! LOL

 

I'd hate the price tag but....Legacy PRR S2 Duplex would be sweet!!  It would look real nice rolling around my horseshoe curve!

Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:

I'd hate the price tag but....Legacy PRR S2 Duplex would be sweet!!  It would look real nice rolling around my horseshoe curve!

Im already looking forward to watching that video on your youtube channel!

paigetrain posted:

oh i forgot one train i would like to see 

CP Holiday train

Already being produced by MTH. It was in the most recent 2017 catalog.

http://mthtrains.com/premier/spotlight/09_2017/g

Unlikely Lionel will duplicate the effort.

Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:

I'd hate the price tag but....Legacy PRR S2 Duplex would be sweet!!  It would look real nice rolling around my horseshoe curve!

Nick,

Do you mean the S1 Duplex (6-4-4-6), the S2 Turbine (6-8-6), or the T1 Duplex (4-4-4-4)?  I really want to see a T1 Production engine since there have been a lot of S1 and S2 engines made by multiple manufacturers.

A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.

CAPPilot posted:

Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:

I'd hate the price tag but....Legacy PRR S2 Duplex would be sweet!!  It would look real nice rolling around my horseshoe curve!

Nick,

Do you mean the S1 Duplex (6-4-4-6), the S2 Turbine (6-8-6), or the T1 Duplex (4-4-4-4)?  I really want to see a T1 Production engine since there have been a lot of S1 and S2 engines made by multiple manufacturers.

Typo. Yes I meant the S1 Duplex 6-4-4-6. You won't see a scale lionel T1 Duplex thanks to the ridiculous lawsuit by MTH over copywrite laws. The T1 Duplex scale with Legacy and whistle smoke would be my #1

gunrunnerjohn posted:

A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.

Won't happen John....I want that too but mth sued Lionel over the T1 copywrites for a scale sized engine. That's why you've only seen lionmaster T1 duplexes from Lionel. Sucks

Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:

gunrunnerjohn posted:

A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.

Won't happen John....I want that too but mth sued Lionel over the T1 copywrites for a scale sized engine. That's why you've only seen lionmaster T1 duplexes from Lionel. Sucks

The S2 Turbine was part of the lawsuit and it has been made by Lionel since the lawsuit. 

Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:

gunrunnerjohn posted:

A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.

Won't happen John....I want that too but mth sued Lionel over the T1 copywrites for a scale sized engine. That's why you've only seen lionmaster T1 duplexes from Lionel. Sucks

I will admit to know little or nothing of copyright law, but how is it possible for one to own the sole rights to making a 1:48 scale model of any railroad item? Maybe they own the copyright to the "method" they used to make the scale model. If so, Lionel needs to reverse engineer from the actual locomotive, avoiding the method MTH used. I would gather the Lionmaster T-1 used the MTH methodology, but because it wasn't the same scale as MTH, there is no legal case.

I would like some further clarification if anyone knows some details; in layman terms, please.

BigJohn&theWork posted:

Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:

gunrunnerjohn posted:

A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.

Won't happen John....I want that too but mth sued Lionel over the T1 copywrites for a scale sized engine. That's why you've only seen lionmaster T1 duplexes from Lionel. Sucks

The S2 Turbine was part of the lawsuit and it has been made by Lionel since the lawsuit. 

Doesn't make sense.  I never heard the turbine was in that ordeal. I did hear the N&W 1218 was. 

TM Terry posted:

Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:

gunrunnerjohn posted:

A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.

Won't happen John....I want that too but mth sued Lionel over the T1 copywrites for a scale sized engine. That's why you've only seen lionmaster T1 duplexes from Lionel. Sucks

I will admit to know little or nothing of copyright law, but how is it possible for one to own the sole rights to making a 1:48 scale model of any railroad item? Maybe they own the copyright to the "method" they used to make the scale model. If so, Lionel needs to reverse engineer from the actual locomotive, avoiding the method MTH used. I would gather the Lionmaster T-1 used the MTH methodology, but because it wasn't the same scale as MTH, there is no legal case.

I would like some further clarification if anyone knows some details; in layman terms, please.

I don't know the whole lingo with that story but I've heard it from multiple sources. I agree with you. It's total baloney!!!!

I think that if Lionel would do a scale T-1 Duplex (which I admit would be great) again, they'd have to invest in complete new tooling after the lawsuit. They made all new tooling for the Allegheny and the Big Boy in 2005-6, which I'm not 100% sure were also involved in the copyright scandal in 2000, but wouldn't surprise me if they were.

I still stand strong by my beliefs that Lionel should re-release a Legacy version of the J3A class Hudson with whistle steam. Much like the scale T-1 Duplex, it's been absent from the Lionel line for 15+ years. There's clearly a whole LOT of people on this forum who would snap it up at the flick of a switch - hence why it's really hard to find the 2002 version anywhere, even on the bay - and it's an engine that can be done in multiple variations, much like the 2015 Empire State Express was. If there's an old engine I would like Lionel to rehash, it's this one.

As for any others, I do think Lionel has made just about every engine I do want, but I will agree a Legacy Niagara, and L3/4 class Mohawk would be great.

Scrapiron Scher posted:

The really, really, really big news would be for Lionel to produce a hybrid brass Niagara or Hudson ultra detailed. So . . . . . . . my prediction is:

HYBRID BRASS NIAGARA OR HUDSON ULTRA DETAILED. Of course, it will be ultra expensive !!!

That way Lionel can ask a high price and, as you all know, we'll pay it. Niagara with whistle steam and brass detail. Just give them your credit card and have done with it. 

I agree with your selection, however I do not think Lionel could risk leaving out their dealers again. I think the first go around was to test the waters and it appears it was successful. The pricing will be another story.

Rod Miller

TM Terry posted:

Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:

gunrunnerjohn posted:

A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.

Won't happen John....I want that too but mth sued Lionel over the T1 copywrites for a scale sized engine. That's why you've only seen lionmaster T1 duplexes from Lionel. Sucks

I will admit to know little or nothing of copyright law, but how is it possible for one to own the sole rights to making a 1:48 scale model of any railroad item? Maybe they own the copyright to the "method" they used to make the scale model. If so, Lionel needs to reverse engineer from the actual locomotive, avoiding the method MTH used. I would gather the Lionmaster T-1 used the MTH methodology, but because it wasn't the same scale as MTH, there is no legal case.

I would like some further clarification if anyone knows some details; in layman terms, please.

I don't know the whole lingo with that story but I've heard it from multiple sources. I agree with you. It's total baloney!!!!

-----------

Not to dredge up old corpses:

There is no "copyright" of a 1:48 model of a T-1, or anything else. Lionel (and their Korean builder) were guilty of industrial espionage (sounds so Big Corporate) by actually stealing the model designs from MTH - not the PRR replica part, but the underlying machinery and parts design on a few locos in order to get to the market sooner and cheaper. The "lawsuit engines" include the PRR T-1, N&W A 2-6-6-4 and the C&O Allegheny, if my memory serves me well. Maybe more(?). Been a while. These locos contained part designs that were exact copies of MTH parts, or so it was stated. (To be honest, years ago, a friend and I compared my Lionel 2-6-6-4 with his MTH 2-6-6-4 - underneath, not in the "replica" area - and we could see no particular precise similarity in shapes and forms of the mechanicals/structure between the two - but we didn't take anything apart - and it's been a long time...)

Note that none of these TMCC locos ever even appeared with Odyssey, to say nothing of Legacy. That's because if Lionel wants to produce them, they have to pay for all-new Lionel-designed tooling, an expensive proposition on designs whose time and market may have passed. Lionel can produce all the 1:48 anythings it wants, if the money is allocated.

That is as I understand it.

Mikado 4501 posted:

I think that if Lionel would do a scale T-1 Duplex (which I admit would be great) again, they'd have to invest in complete new tooling after the lawsuit. They made all new tooling for the Allegheny and the Big Boy in 2005-6, which I'm not 100% sure were also involved in the copyright scandal in 2000, but wouldn't surprise me if they were.

I still stand strong by my beliefs that Lionel should re-release a Legacy version of the J3A class Hudson with whistle steam. Much like the scale T-1 Duplex, it's been absent from the Lionel line for 15+ years. There's clearly a whole LOT of people on this forum who would snap it up at the flick of a switch - hence why it's really hard to find the 2002 version anywhere, even on the bay - and it's an engine that can be done in multiple variations, much like the 2015 Empire State Express was. If there's an old engine I would like Lionel to rehash, it's this one.

As for any others, I do think Lionel has made just about every engine I do want, but I will agree a Legacy Niagara, and L3/4 class Mohawk would be great.

Yes J3 Hudson, a hybrid J3!!!!!!

Thanks for the clarification.  I think Lionel should spend the money to re-tool!

The issues in the Korea "scandal" were considerably more complex than mentioned, and dramatically affected by differences in Korean and USA law.  In Korea, designers and executives were initially found guilty of industrial misconduct.  

Lionel's subcontractor for diecast locos was a company named Korea Brass, as I recall, and they were subject to separate lawsuits by MTH in the USA, and perhaps in Korea as well.  Design engineers in Korea frequently worked for more than one manufacturer (Korea Brass for Lionel and Samhongsa for MTH being two). They reused designs to save time and energy, which apparently violated Korean law, but perhaps not USA law since the events occurred in Korea. 

There was no finding of liability by Lionel in the US (in comparison to Korea, where individuals were found liable and guilty of violation of Korean laws). The lawsuit between Lionel and MTH was settled by a bankruptcy judge after the initial decision favoring MTH was thrown out on appeal.  An expert witness whose testimony was that Lionel's locos used MTH's designs was a  reason the appeal was successful.  This expert witness was ruled to have used invalid methods of reaching his conclusions.  

I rather doubt there is any obstacle to Lionel producing whatever locos they want with whatever tooling they have access to.  Neither Samhongsa nor Korea Brass still exists to my knowledge.  What happened to those toolings is not entirely clear. MTH seems to have hung onto most or all of their diecast tooling, but the Korea Brass tooling does not seem to be owned by Lionel.  I am not sure about that. 

Shortly after the resolution of the main lawsuit (sealed documents), Lionel licensed production of their iconic trade dress of tinplate prewar equipment to MTH, thus I think it's fair to say the lawsuit was resolved in a way that was satisfactory to some extent to both parties.

 

Probably best not to talk about scandals and guilt when no USA court has found anybody at Lionel or the company itself liable for damages, much less guilty.  It was a negotiated legal settlement that partisans seem to have misunderstood in that respect.  Many people seem to have assumed the guilt of one of Lionel's main executives, but he has never been charged nor ever named in a lawsuit,  and continues to import model trains (primarily HO and N) very successfully  through his own company.  Lots of invidious inferences with no hard data to support them have followed this episode.

Did Lionel report on the production status of the new logging disconnect cars? I have heard nothing about them, and last I looked they are not on the website shipping schedule.

Anyone? Thanks.

how about a military themed train set or even better

a MORRISON KNUDSEN set led by a MK5000C

paigetrain posted:

how about a military themed train set or even better

a MORRISON KNUDSEN set led by a MK5000C

Since you have stated many, many times, that since you don't have enough money, you are going to HO, why do you continue with these posts on the O-Scale Forums?

trainroomgary posted:

The first thing I always check for is any thing with this road name.

Detroit & Mackinac Railway

Gary

The O Scale Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door Boxcar that was made in the USA then moved to China has centered doors. They would need to put the DM paint scheme that boxcar in China to get a close approximation. 

The trucks need to be the roller bearing trucks. 

Andrew

gunrunnerjohn posted:

A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.

A re-run of the LionMaster T1 with Legacy would get my money in a heartbeat. As much as I'd love a scale version, I don't think my "toy rail" 0-31/0-42/0-27 curved layout would  accommodate it....

how about an ALCO / EMD MRS1

What did happen to the O scale Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door Boxcar that was made in the USA then moved to China for production?

They have not produced that O scale boxcar in years. There are many more railroads left to produced. McCloud River Railroad, the accurate SOUTHERN PACIFIC scheme, the SOUTHERN Railway, NS, more COTTON BELT, WESTERN PACIFIC, SCL, CSX, D&RGW, and others.

Did the Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door Boxcar get a page or two in the new Volume 2 catalog? 

Andrew

Did they lose track of the Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door Boxcars after the move to China? 

if not, then somebody at Lionel must want us to buy up all the incorrectly painted O scale Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door Boxcars, remove the wrong graphics and colors, change the trucks, make new decals, and put the right railroad graphics on the boxcars. 

Andrew

Do you think they will do the "hint, hint" on their Facebook page like they did with the AC9 and such?

Since some of us are wishing, I have a request that all EMD F3A (and newer to F9) and all ALCO FA1 locomotives have electrocouplers on both the front and rear.

I understand the EMD FT argument, but it doesn't apply to its successors

I love to see a DD35 B unit unpowered or powered. in PRR and Southern(sufferin)Pacific. l love them both.

falconservice posted:

The O Scale Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door Boxcar that was made in the USA then moved to China has centered doors. They would need to put the DM paint scheme that boxcar in China to get a close approximation. 

The trucks need to be the roller bearing trucks. 

Andrew

Hi Andrew, thanks for the information on the D&M.  Below is a Pere Marquette boxcar, that is on my layout.  Anything with a local road name, is always a good find.  I will be looking for local road names in this up coming Lionel Catalog.

Gary

Well, Ryan did say in the TW video earlier this year to expect some NYC stuff not to far down the road(no Hudson's though). Also in his plans was #90 Stasburg RR, that would be awesome. If that isn't in there expect that in next year's I would say, make sense?

How about one of these?

Lionel needs to make much more O36 Legacy controlled steam engines, either scale small steam, or LionMaster big steam.  LC+ doesn't cut it.

How about one of these box cars?  This one just restored at the Essex Valley RR

It's time for a Vision Line "Big Blow" UP GasTurbine !

I would like to see Lionel make a really nice Legacy Controlled Trolley Car, with Station Stop Announcements, and whatever other sounds that make it a fun to run people carrier.....Not TMCC like the trackmobiles, but a full functioning Trolley...This would be nice for those with tight curves and it should have directional lighting, swiveling pole, etc.....How about that for a want....

Would love to see Lionel come out with the Amtrak ACS-64 electric.

How about Amtrak's Next-Generation of High-Speed Rail.......................

Regards, Swafford

 

 

 

Swafford posted:

How about Amtrak's Next-Generation of High-Speed Rail.......................

Regards, Swafford

 

It's about time America got a truly high speed train--real or model!

Like Leapin Larry's idea. They never did anything like that. Also, some SP Daylight F-3's or F-7's & a Niagara. In accessory line, how about re-issuing a better working Coal Tipple, a train station with announcements that you can choose of different cities & lastly a crossing gate with sound.   

thank you (LIONEL) for agreeing on the Trolley Car, there are many neat street cars, one called Desire, so Lionel could produce several of these in different paint schemes...Add the people sitting and standing, neat announcements, all Legacy controlled....Yes to more F7's, SP Daylights, Sante Fe War Bonnets, The Niagara with all the steam effects, blow down, steam cylinder effect, etc, swinging bell. Also another fully equipped Hudson....The list goes on and on and on...They could re-introduce Legacy Budd Cars.....Wow..

Well I'm breaking my silence!  It's my opinion that Lionel will generate more sales if people know what to expect, and the people should know!

To start, what I've seen on the front cover of the catalog is a scale GgywkESIopicvD......  uhhg...ooofff,,,, pow! .....SMASH... ouch!!!  mmfffmmfmfmf....

 

......THIS IS LIONEL PRODUCT SECURITY...... WE HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO NEUTRALIZE THIS FORUM MEMBER TO PROTECT THE UNFINALIZED VERSION OF LIONEL PRODUCTS........ TRAINDIESEL WILL BE QUARANTINED AND RETURNED TO THIS FORUM UPON CATALOG RELEASE.....  WARNING!!.... CONTINUED GUESSING AND SPECULATING ON CATALOG CONTENTS WILL BE DELT WITH SWIFTLY...... RETURN TO YOUR NORMAL ACTIVITIES........

Swafford posted:

How about Amtrak's Next-Generation of High-Speed Rail.......................

Regards, Swafford

 

 

 

sign me up the MKSF needs this

Traindiesel posted:

Well I'm breaking my silence!  It's my opinion that Lionel will generate more sales if people know what to expect, and the people should know!

To start, what I've seen on the front cover of the catalog is a scale GgywkESIopicvD......  uhhg...ooofff,,,, pow! .....SMASH... ouch!!!  mmfffmmfmfmf....

 

......THIS IS LIONEL PRODUCT SECURITY...... WE HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO NEUTRALIZE THIS FORUM MEMBER TO PROTECT THE UNFINALIZED VERSION OF LIONEL PRODUCTS........ TRAINDIESEL WILL BE QUARANTINED AND RETURNED TO THIS FORUM UPON CATALOG RELEASE.....  WARNING!!.... CONTINUED GUESSING AND SPECULATING ON CATALOG CONTENTS WILL BE DELT WITH SWIFTLY...... RETURN TO YOUR NORMAL ACTIVITIES........

This sounds like 1984 

Big brother is watching

A previous post reminds me; what about a re-release of the TMCC TrackMobile. Almost impossible to find one any more and they run on the tightest turns. Mine runs on O16 SuperStreets. I need a backup unit.

Looks like to me the people who attended the convention and will not spill the beans on the new catalog are a bunch of weenies. 

HEY FOLKS THIS IS TOY TRAINS NOT THE Nuclear codes.

RM, this post may do it but Brian's may push them over the edge also.   

Swafford posted:

How about Amtrak's Next-Generation of High-Speed Rail.......................

Regards, Swafford

 

 

 

For a second there, Frank, I thought this was going to be another product of your imagination. Wait, it isn't right?

Thanks for the link!

I have the Lionel Bluetooth APP, on my iPhone and nothing to run.  I am looking forward to this new part of the hobby. 

Gary: from Michigan, the state with no palm trees but we have Lionel Trains.

I have the train...... waiting for the Android App......

 

Jim R. posted:

Swafford posted:

How about Amtrak's Next-Generation of High-Speed Rail.......................

Regards, Swafford

 

 

 

For a second there, Frank, I thought this was going to be another product of your imagination. Wait, it isn't right?

Thanks for the link!

Good Day Jim, It's the real deal.

 http://blog.amtrak.com/2016/08...n-high-speed-trains/

Regards, 

Frank

trainroomgary posted:

I have the Lionel Blue Tooth APP, on my iPhone and nothing to run.  I am looking forward to this new part of the hobby. 

Gary: from Michigan, the state with no palm trees but we have Lionel Trains.

I'll stick with the good old fashion 2.4GHz Cab2 Legacy. They can keep WIFI, Bluetooth and what ever else they come up with.

Santa FE ES44AC would be sweet.

Regards, Swafford

DennyM posted:

trainroomgary posted:

I have the Lionel Blue Tooth APP, on my iPhone and nothing to run.  I am looking forward to this new part of the hobby. 

Gary: from Michigan, the state with no palm trees but we have Lionel Trains.

I'll stick with the good old fashion 2.4GHz Cab2 Legacy. They can keep WIFI, Bluetooth and what ever else they come up with.

Hi Denny: That's OK,  you are always welcome at my Train Room for an Adult Beverage or we could walk down to the lake, with some Walt's Crawlers and pop some bluegills or look for a big pike. With minnows from Buck's, but we will run some Lionel Trains before and after the "Big Catch".

Gary: from the part of Michigan, with no palm trees, I think I saw some on the sunset side.

trainroomgary posted:

DennyM posted:

trainroomgary posted:

I have the Lionel Blue Tooth APP, on my iPhone and nothing to run.  I am looking forward to this new part of the hobby. 

Gary: from Michigan, the state with no palm trees but we have Lionel Trains.

I'll stick with the good old fashion 2.4GHz Cab2 Legacy. They can keep WIFI, Bluetooth and what ever else they come up with.

Hi Denny: That's OK,  you are always welcome at my Train Room for an Adult Beverage or we could walk down to the lake, with some Walt's Crawlers and pop some bluegills or look for a big pike. With minnows from Buck's, but we will run some Lionel Trains before and after the "Big Catch".

Gary: from the part of Michigan, with no palm trees, I think I saw some on the sunset side.

That sounds like a plan Gary. There are some fake palm trees here in town. They are by some hoity toity condos.

leapinlarry posted:

thank you (LIONEL) for agreeing on the Trolley Car, there are many neat street cars, one called Desire, so Lionel could produce several of these in different paint schemes...Add the people sitting and standing, neat announcements, all Legacy controlled....Yes to more F7's, SP Daylights, Sante Fe War Bonnets, The Niagara with all the steam effects, blow down, steam cylinder effect, etc, swinging bell. Also another fully equipped Hudson....The list goes on and on and on...They could re-introduce Legacy Budd Cars.....Wow..

Did I miss Legacy Budd Cars in the recent past, or did you mean Lionel should make them for the first time?

I know for years it was a sore spot with me that they never put either TMCC or Legacy in the traditional PW style Budd Cars. 

(Yes, I know 3rd Rail did scale Budd cars with TMCC in them, but this is a Lionel Catalog thread, so they don't count)

-Dave

Traindiesel posted:

Well I'm breaking my silence!  It's my opinion that Lionel will generate more sales if people know what to expect, and the people should know!

To start, what I've seen on the front cover of the catalog is a scale GgywkESIopicvD......  uhhg...ooofff,,,, pow! .....SMASH... ouch!!!  mmfffmmfmfmf....

 

......THIS IS LIONEL PRODUCT SECURITY...... WE HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO NEUTRALIZE THIS FORUM MEMBER TO PROTECT THE UNFINALIZED VERSION OF LIONEL PRODUCTS........ TRAINDIESEL WILL BE QUARANTINED AND RETURNED TO THIS FORUM UPON CATALOG RELEASE.....  WARNING!!.... CONTINUED GUESSING AND SPECULATING ON CATALOG CONTENTS WILL BE DELT WITH SWIFTLY...... RETURN TO YOUR NORMAL ACTIVITIES........

hmm the first letter he typed was a capital G before he got apprehended 

GG1 Nah we already have one 

Greenbriar maybe

GP40-2 ooh good one maybe for Alaska Railroad

GP60M sign me up man 

Finally listened to the Notch 6 episode with the interview with Lionel's CEO, Howard H.  There is a segment in this podcast regarding the Friday Lionel LCCA Seminar, which concludes the LCCA annual convention.  It's clear to me that Lionel intended an entire review of the 2017 vol. 2 to be a special treat for LCCA convention attendees.  It is noted that this sort of sneak preview had never been done before, and was meant to demonstrate Lionel's special regard for LCCA members attending their annual convention, since LCCA is, after all,  the official Lionel club.  Interpret that as you will while awaiting Aug. 17th .  I suppose if there is enough criticism, they will find some other way to let LCCA members know about the catalog contents in advance rather than just using the annual convention.  Perhaps a .pdf sent to all with email addresses on file?  Just a thought.  Of the ten thousand or so LCCA members, most cannot or will not attend the annual convention, obviously.  Perhaps the catalog could be put on the LCCA site, restricted to members?

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

Traindiesel posted:

Well I'm breaking my silence!  It's my opinion that Lionel will generate more sales if people know what to expect, and the people should know!

To start, what I've seen on the front cover of the catalog is a scale GgywkESIopicvD......  uhhg...ooofff,,,, pow! .....SMASH... ouch!!!  mmfffmmfmfmf....

 

......THIS IS LIONEL PRODUCT SECURITY...... WE HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO NEUTRALIZE THIS FORUM MEMBER TO PROTECT THE UNFINALIZED VERSION OF LIONEL PRODUCTS........ TRAINDIESEL WILL BE QUARANTINED AND RETURNED TO THIS FORUM UPON CATALOG RELEASE.....  WARNING!!.... CONTINUED GUESSING AND SPECULATING ON CATALOG CONTENTS WILL BE DELT WITH SWIFTLY...... RETURN TO YOUR NORMAL ACTIVITIES........

Brian,

Are you trying to get THIS thread deleted too?    The shelf-life for threads relating to the upcoming Lionel catalog is not very good. 

Dvvve, Muh can tlk an tied uhhp. I .....  WHAAP!:::::  uHHHHHH!!

I'm an LCCA member and I don't think there is anything wrong with giving convention attendees a sneak peak at the latest Lionel catalog.  It's part of the fun of being there.  I can wait until the 17th like everyone else.  And I again applaud those who know for keeping it secret.

Der are ways to make you talk you dumkaufs, tell us or we will inflict much pain, sprexinse Duochey?  

This Pere Marquette,  Lionel Bluetooth, will be in tomorrows catalog on page  72 or 73.

Gary: See you in Chicago.............................. 

trainroomgary posted:

This Pere Marquette,  Lionel Bluetooth, will be in tomorrows catalog on page  72 or 73.

...

Calendar check:  tomorrow is Aug 7th.  Do you have that confused with Aug 17th?     If so, you're off by 10 days. 

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

trainroomgary posted:

This Pere Marquette,  Lionel Bluetooth, will be in tomorrows catalog on page  72 or 73.

...

Calendar check:  tomorrow is Aug 7th.  Do you have that confused with Aug 17th?     If so, you're off by 10 days. 

Hi Rocky:  No Chaos on my Google Calendar.  I have a meeting tomorrow with a secret agent.  He told me he will have a hard copy for me tomorrow.  If not: August 17th., will work.

Gary

Grampstrains posted:

trainroomgary posted:

This Pere Marquette,  Lionel Bluetooth, will be in tomorrows catalog on page  72 or 73.

Gary: See you in Chicago.............................. 

Why not?  It was in the last catalog along with my Santa Fe.  The main question is, when will it be delivered?    I thought this catalog was going to be all new items with no re-runs?

Hi Grampstrains  /  My: L.H.S. said: October 31, 2017.  

I have 4 LionChief Plus Locos on my layout, and all is well. Look forward to incorporating a Bluetooth and this Pere Marquette is a local road name in Michigan.

I hope to see them this week for an update: Gary

" I thought this catalog was going to be all new items with no re-runs?"

I don't believe that is correct.  This comment was meant as a sardonic, negative comment about Lionel from one of its prominent whineries.  

There will be some new items, and two new train sets, but I don't believe anyone from Lionel, or who attended the LCCA seminar has confirmed that it will be all new items.

Landsteiner posted:

" I thought this catalog was going to be all new items with no re-runs?"

I don't believe that is correct.  This comment was meant as a sardonic, negative comment about Lionel from one of its prominent whineries.  

There will be some new items, and two new train sets, but I don't believe anyone from Lionel, or who attended the LCCA seminar has confirmed that it will be all new items.

Actually I think Ryan said this in the podcast.  Of course "all new" could be items that have different paint schemes etc and not necessarily new tooling.

Over the weekend I finally got to try out the HO PE with BlueTooth.  After using that I think the BlueTooth LionChief sets should be a big hit.  I can see why Train Room Gary is excited about these.

"Actually I think Ryan said this in the podcast. "

 

I stand corrected.  Will have to listen to that one soon .

MartyE posted:

Landsteiner posted:

" I thought this catalog was going to be all new items with no re-runs?"

I don't believe that is correct.  This comment was meant as a sardonic, negative comment about Lionel from one of its prominent whineries.  

There will be some new items, and two new train sets, but I don't believe anyone from Lionel, or who attended the LCCA seminar has confirmed that it will be all new items.

Actually I think Ryan said this in the podcast.  Of course "all new" could be items that have different paint schemes etc and not necessarily new tooling.

...

Actually, that very comment in the podcast about the entire catalog featuring new products has prompted all the interest.  Aside from that, we'd all just be expecting another Volume 2 catalog with little fanfare.  It's the "all-new-products" comment that has folks wondering.  And I think you're right... new doesn't necessarily imply all new tooling.  It could simply be new SKU's ranging from recent offerings with different paint schemes to completely new items.

Whatever the case may be, that comment may have prompted some interest, but it's already old news now.  By giving little to no timely follow-up, coupled with the LCCA folks saying literally nothing about the convention preview... it's got me wondering if the catalog will really have ANYTHING all that notable.  

For now, it will be what it will be, and we'll see it when we see it.  Hopefully, it will live up to all the pre-release hype.

 

The podcast said "new SKUs" referencing product SKU numbers that uniquely identify each product. We will not know how different most of these offerings are from previous products until the catalog actually comes out.

The way I interpreted the Podcast comments was that Lionel wants to even out the product announcement/delivery cycle. I doubt that this means a change in the overall R&D budget for the year, just when things are announced. Remember... "New Item" and "New Tooling" are different terms in the vernacular of Lionel catalogs. I would expect a bit of "New Tooling" with most"New Items" being new road names of existing tooling. Just like any other catalog.

Maybe I am reading the comments incorrectly, but as I best recall, in the last 5 or 6 years most every catalog had listings from the previous catalog, or sometimes earlier ones. (apart from accessories and buildings which are mostly repeats, and very few new items)

What I would like most, that I could use for my Christmas tree layout, is a TMCC Whitcomb 30-Ton switcher to pull a variety of the disconnect cars.

TM Terry posted:

Maybe I am reading the comments incorrectly, but as I best recall, in the last 5 or 6 years most every catalog had listings from the previous catalog, or sometimes earlier ones. (apart from accessories and buildings which are mostly repeats, and very few new items)

Exactly... In fact several years ago (before the official BTO started), one of the Vol 2 catalogs was MOSTLY just recatalog'd items.  Very much a yawner as I recall, since it was based largely on stuff Lionel still had in its warehouse and was trying to regenerate interest in those items by re-cataloging them.  Not sure how successful that was -- aside from giving us a heads up on items that would soon be on dealer blowouts.  

Shortly thereafter, Lionel also started to offer weathered steam locomotives in Vol 2 catalogs -- again presumably re-purposing existing unsold inventory by giving items a new SKU with a new road number and Harry Heike's excellent weathering process.

In recent years, Lionel has been moving toward newer items being featured in the Vol 2 catalog.  But this is the first Vol 2 catalog being billed as containing all new SKU's.  We shall see what that really entails.  

Caught up on the thread today...

On the Lionel PRR T1, Lionel did issue a scale version in an unskirted version - I have it. It came out at about the same time that MTH came out with theirs. If I recall properly, MTH switched their model to the two prototypes around the time of the announcement in order to provide some differentiation between the models. It hasn't been seen since, would be nice to get a new version with the bells and whistles (literally in this case)

I think Lionel will be getting their inspiration from Fisher Price this year

jhz563 posted:

I think Lionel will be getting their inspiration from Fisher Price this year

what the heck is that thing it looks like it could be dangerous if i got MY hands on it

"Thomas and Friends Trackmaster Sky High Bridge Jump Playset."

 

This set was a Christmas present for my grand children. I was pleasantly surprised how well it worked.

Realistically, whatever comes out in the new catalog will most likely have the majority of it being older toolings if any new ones at all. I think in one of the videos I saw with Mike(MTH), he even said that sometimes it isn't easy to just make a new one. With the great variety of engines out there, there of course are the beautify oddballs that we all want made that we haven't seen and we are still waiting for. I'm sure the great experts could come up with a list far longer than your arm.

Regardless of what comes out, law of averages will have more people grumbling than excited over.

I wonder if the 86' Hi-Cube Boxcars will be in the DT&I and ICG colors and graphics. 

Andrew

The rumor mill?, They Say?, "The Checks in the Mail", "I've Got a Secret", or Your not Gonna Believe What I've Heard, or what's done or said in Vegas, stays in Vegas, well, from a great source, the word on the Street is, "We Will be Amazed" at the many New Offerrings coming our way. Wow! 9 Long Days......Happy Railroading. I am Excited....Thank you Lionel.

 

I think there will be an 80 tonner with remote operation lights on the side!!

Any updates on the new catalog?

Peter Araujo posted:

Any updates on the new catalog?

FYI, the catalog will not be out until the end of the month. August 29th I believe is the current release date. Not the 17th.

"On the Lionel PRR T1, Lionel did issue a scale version in an unskirted version - I have it....It hasn't been seen since, would be nice to get a new version with the bells and whistles (literally in this case)"

Yes, I have it too.

As mentioned elsewhere, I think, in this long thread, this T-1 was one of the "lawsuit engines", to the best of my knowledge, and the pirated tooling designs (from MTH by Lionel's builder) may require a complete mechanical do-over by Lionel to bring out the T-1 again. I don't know, of course, but it is strange that this very noteworthy loco has yet to see the light of day with Legacy in it - heck, it never even had Odyssey; TMCC/RS only.

Same for the Allegheny and N&W 2-6-6-4, I do believe.

Just a guess, but the 80 Tonner WON'T be in the new catalog,

Maybe we will see....(sounds of gunfire heard)  Ooops.

Ed

The catalog is delayed to the 29th? Is this to get printed copies into shops and stores?

Ed Boyle posted:

Just a guess, but the 80 Tonner WON'T be in the new catalog,

Maybe we will see....(sounds of gunfire heard)  Ooops.

Ed

OK, but now, Ed, do you have any guesses as to what WILL be in new catalog? About 20 different guesses would be good. Or maybe you had a vision while you were, say, enjoying your fourth beer somewhere, and you could share that.  And remember, there's no rule that says you can't be clairvoyant. And as a backup, there's the 1st Amendment - there can be no law abridging the right of free speech.

So open up. You'll feel better.   

What should be in the cat:

STUFF WHICH WORKS OUT OF THE BOX!

STUFF WHICH DOES NOT SELF DESTRUCT WITH ZINC ROT!

Ed Boyle posted:

Just a guess, but the 80 Tonner WON'T be in the new catalog,

Maybe we will see....(sounds of gunfire heard)  Ooops.

Ed

"Sounds of gunfire," if it is historical or military related, I will have my troops in battle formation and ready to pre-order on the 29th.

 

 

It really does not matter when the catalog arrives, as long as there is a great selection of trains for Us to review. Yes, to simply sit down in a nice comfortable Lazy Boy recliner, glass of iced tea, Privacy, and yes, a new Lionel Catalog..It simply does not get better than that. The memories of our past comes to view as we  turn page by page....Now, although we are a bit older, (lots older), we still become like kids when these new catalogs arrive at our dealer, or our front door. As long as we get them fairly soon, that's ok. Thanks for the update.

 

Dave Olson posted:

Peter Araujo posted:

Any updates on the new catalog?

FYI, the catalog will not be out until the end of the month. August 29th I believe is the current release date. Not the 17th.

Thanks for the update - will move my anxiety to the 29th. 

hey guys has this been made in o yet

 

paigetrain posted:

hey guys has this been made in o yet

 

I want that!

The O scale A.A.R. 50' double-door boxcar with END DOORS has not been produced in any Grand Trunk Western paint schemes.

Did they finally get the GTW scheme on the End Doors 50' double-door boxcar? 

leapinlarry posted:

It really does not matter when the catalog arrives, as long as there is a great selection of trains for Us to review. Yes, to simply sit down in a nice comfortable Lazy Boy recliner, glass of iced tea, Privacy, and yes, a new Lionel Catalog..It simply does not get better than that. The memories of our past comes to view as we  turn page by page....Now, although we are a bit older, (lots older), we still become like kids when these new catalogs arrive at our dealer, or our front door. As long as we get them fairly soon, that's ok. Thanks for the update.

 

I'm not sure about that Lazy Larry Chair thing, but everything else sounds great. Oh, you forgot the dog laying by your feet!

No rush for another catalog.

Still waiting on product from 2016 catalog.

 

 

 

The 29th is simply unacceptable.  I have been counting down to the 17th, every minute is painful.  I walk around counting the minutes to the 17th.  NOW you say its the 29th!?  12 more days!  AAARRRGGG!

 

Paigetrain, I DIG that switcher you posted!

 

leapinlarry posted:

It really does not matter when the catalog arrives.... 

Well, it does to me. I, and I'm sure there are others, have been in the process of making decisions about buying some items, and timing is such that those decisions must be made before the catalog is now unveiled. It would have been extremely helpful to know what new items were coming before spending money acquiring some older items that may not be needed, or are being re-made with improvements, or which will fall to a lower priority after the new items are presented.

For these reasons, it would also have been appreciated if some information had come out of the LCCA convention, but, you know, those people were struck dumb. In several ways.   

I just don't get the anxiety over any O-gauge/scale catalog. It is not as if when you get the catalog and you order and receive your wish within 2 weeks. 

It all about waiting on pins and needles only to discover what you might want; then will need to wait 12 months or more to receive your wish (if you can afford it).

You're actually better off if the catalog is not offering anything you really want. Your wait is over.

falconservice posted:

The O scale A.A.R. 50' double-door boxcar with END DOORS has not been produced in any Grand Trunk Western paint schemes.

Did they finally get the GTW scheme on the End Doors 50' double-door boxcar? 

          Both have been offered by Lionel and MTH.

breezinup posted:

...

For these reasons, it would also have been appreciated if some information had come out of the LCCA convention, but, you know, those people were struck dumb. In several ways.   

Breezy,

We're all capable of drawing our own conclusions.  But quite honestly, when you combine the fact that we were first told this was a catalog of "all new" offerings AND then absolutely nothing -- zip, zilch, ZERO -- dribbled out of the LCCA convention preview, I'm concluding this catalog is all a big much-to-do-about-nothing.  I guess we won't know if that's an accurate conclusion until later this month.  To some degree, I've already lost interest in this new catalog.  Think about it... not only did the LCCA folks "not leak" any product info out to the masses, they didn't even say they were EXCITED by what they did see.  Very interesting that there's no buzz to speak of.

As for purchasing decisions, etc.....  I hear ya.  Lionel knows all to well by now that any new offerings are competing directly with current inventories sitting in the marketplace.  To some degree, they're competing with themselves.  But that shouldn't be news to them.  And it certainly hasn't kept them from tagging new products with premium prices.  So if anybody has $500 or $1,000 burning a hole in their pocket now, it's probably better to grab some great deals now vs. waiting to target those funds for a pre-order out of the new catalog only to wait Lord-knows-how-long before any newer stuff actually gets delivered.

David

Interesting comment about Lionel compeating with its self when it comes to current inventory.  I'm holding off on a purchase until I know if there's anything in the next catalog I may want.  Only so much money to go around 

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

breezinup posted:

...

For these reasons, it would also have been appreciated if some information had come out of the LCCA convention, but, you know, those people were struck dumb. In several ways.   

.........quite honestly, when you combine the fact that we were first told this was a catalog of "all new" offerings AND then absolutely nothing -- zip, zilch, ZERO -- dribbled out of the LCCA convention preview, I'm concluding this catalog is all a big much-to-do-about-nothing.  .......Think about it... not only did the LCCA folks "not leak" any product info out to the masses, they didn't even say they were EXCITED by what they did see.  Very interesting that there's no buzz to speak of.

David

You're right, David - it's very weird that not one single attendee has commented. Nothing, as you note, not even to say "there's a lot of great stuff in the new catalog," or "the presentation was very interesting." A real lively bunch.   

Ironic that the only two attendees who even have acknowledged being there said they didn't bother to listen to the presentation.   This must have been some convention. 

The next Lionel catalog will be given out at York show. 50 available, first come first received. Dave Nichols

The Lionel GTW 50' double-door box car did not have end doors and the end door box cars are in a different series. 

The GTW 591000 and 592000 series had the double-door box cars with END DOORS. 

 

Andrew

 

Lionel is a business. They depend on the good will of their dealers. Having customers coming in asking about products they haven't yet informed their dealers about is not considerate to or a a good use of time for their dealers. Product announcements are performed in a very orderly way by most companies (Apple and Ford are examples) for exactly this reason.  

A few consumers who are clamoring to hear about the catalog a few weeks early are not, understandably, a major concern to how Lionel's business is run.  The fact that a hundred or two hundred maximum LCCA members were given some advance information does not represent a betrayal of trust,  nor does it likely yield any insight into the quality or innovation of the actual catalog contents.  

I'm looking forward to the catalog, as I always do, but am somewhat baffled by agony the waiting seems to be causing a few people.  We're talking days to a few weeks here.

John Pignatelli JR. posted:

paigetrain posted:

hey guys has this been made in o yet

 

I want that!

Highly unlikely in costly plastic tooling, given that only 26 units were made by Alco between 1966 and 1968. SP had 10 of them.

Decades ago, it was made in HO scale by Mehano (imported by several manufacturers in plastic) and Overland and Key (brass), but never in any other scale that I can recall.

3rd Rail might be open to the idea in brass if the interest was established.

bisel posted:

The next Lionel catalog will be given out at York show. 50 available, first come first received. Dave Nichols

What does this mean? York isn't until October 19. The catalog will be released on Aug. 29. Dealers will have already distributed catalog copies to customers well before the York show.

breezinup posted:

bisel posted:

The next Lionel catalog will be given out at York show. 50 available, first come first received. Dave Nichols

What does this mean? York isn't until October 19. The catalog will be released on Aug. 29. Dealers will have already distributed catalog copies to customers well before the York show.

That is a dig on the York boxcars they made in April - 50, first come first serve. They were sold out within a few minutes of York opening on Thursday afternoon. 

I loved what i saw at the convention.

Super O Bob posted:

I loved what i saw at the convention.

If you mean the catalog presentaion, anything new as far as postwar reissues go?

Super O Bob posted:

I loved what i saw at the convention.

Super O Bob not to change the subject any photos or videos of your new Super O layout yet?

breezinup posted:

bisel posted:

The next Lionel catalog will be given out at York show. 50 available, first come first received. Dave Nichols

What does this mean? York isn't until October 19. The catalog will be released on Aug. 29. Dealers will have already distributed catalog copies to customers well before the York show.

Something of a wise-*** comment.  We all know what it's about.  

 

Sometime soon Lionel has to finally catalog NORFOLK & WESTERN and SOUTHERN 86' Hi-Cube Boxcars in the original paint schemes from the late 1960's and early 1970's. They have to be made in the coming year.

Andrew 

rthomps posted:

breezinup posted:

bisel posted:

The next Lionel catalog will be given out at York show. 50 available, first come first received. Dave Nichols

What does this mean? York isn't until October 19. The catalog will be released on Aug. 29. Dealers will have already distributed catalog copies to customers well before the York show.

Something of a wise-*** comment.  We all know what it's about.  

 

Hey Ray, which one?  

John