Post your V1.3 findings here

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Originally posted by Johnsgg1:
Next I'll add the Vision PRR Cattle car and my PRR Railsonds caboose. Put Train Link to the test.

Now that's a consist I'd like to see in a video!

Andy

Hey All

Is there a list of what new operating features are now available on my Legacy engines that v1.3 enables? I have two steam and two diesels 2007 or newer.

Thanks

Ray Marion

I lost directional control on the multi controller. Anybody else have this issue?

Were you able to enable it in the settings?

I do not remember that option in my scrolling. Maybe I missed It?

Now that I think about it why would you want to turn it off? Thats just me though.

I just installed the 1.3 update. Works great. Thanks Lionel. One question... has this update addressed the recharging issue of the base unit? I could never get charging lights to indicate a full charge. Currently using a alternative charger not using built in charger.

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Originally posted by dantheman1947:
Now that I think about it why would you want to turn it off? Thats just me though.

Lionel suggests turning it off if momentum is set to M2 or lower (Page 20 of the 1.3 manual) Also some people didn't like going into reverse just by turning the wheel

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Originally posted by boilermaker:
I just installed the 1.3 update. Works great. Thanks Lionel. One question... has this update addressed the recharging issue of the base unit? I could never get charging lights to indicate a full charge. Currently using a alternative charger not using built in charger.

As far as I know this is a hardware issue. There is no mention of it in the Whats new for 1.3

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Originally posted by Bob Karas:
Johnsgg1
On your M1B, have you tried the dog house light and red marker light on /off function?

Bob, here is a post I made on the Ver. 1.3 Shipped and Received thread:

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It appears we will have to wait for 1.4. Neither the doghouse icon nor the tender marker light icon press keys do anything. I even reloaded the modules, but no luck.

Maybe we'll hear from Jon on this?

The cab light icon key that does work is the one that shows up as soon as you call up a Legacy/Vision engine with a cab light. But that icon goes away when you otherwise address the engine.

I guess we'll have to wait a bit longer to access these features.

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Originally posted by raymariontrain:
Hey All

Is there a list of what new operating features are now available on my Legacy engines that v1.3 enables? I have two steam and two diesels 2007 or newer.

Thanks

Ray Marion

Ray, check out the first couple pages of the mailed or on line .pdf version of the 1.3 manual. The new features are listed there.

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Originally posted by raymariontrain:
Hey All

Is there a list of what new operating features are now available on my Legacy engines that v1.3 enables? I have two steam and two diesels 2007 or newer.

Thanks

Ray Marion

There are some features listed in the 1.3 manual,they have added some things for Subways, Cranes and operating cars, but for specific loco features you will have to look in the manual for that engine. I believe the PRR Cattle car and the Hybrid had a few 1.3 features listed in their manuals

Chris
As the manual said to do....I rotated down or up while holding the wheel down. Now everything works normal. Thank you for your help and interest in solving the problem. One note all of my locos are TMCC,haven't found the dollars in my TMRS to go legacy yet.......bummer!

I have several TMCC but non Legacy freight cars, i.e. Giraffe, Whale, Shark, PRR Caboose, Christmas Music. Alas, even with 1.3 I have to keep them loaded as ACC (I'm running out of ENG #'s). FRT defaults to Legacy. Granted this is probably to keep the keypad icons consistent with Legacy capabilities, but I kinda wish I could call them FRT's, and then have the option to select Cab1 or TMCC keypad control. Whatdaya think?

Should we start a 1.4 wish list? Or is it too early?

With v1.3 when I build a lashup with 2 TMCC Lionel AF steam engines (e.g. two NYC Mikados) both tender LEDs light up when I put the lashup into reverse. With v1.2 only the aft engine's tender LED used to light up. BTW, the aft engine's headlight does not light, nor do the whistle, cab com, etc. sounds emminate from it just like it should be. Only the fact the forward engine's tender LED and the aft engine's tender LED light up is wrong. Any ideas? Thanks.

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Originally posted by Sgaugian:
BTW, the aft engine's headlight does not light, nor do the whistle, cab com, etc. sounds emminate from it just like it should be. Only the fact the forward engine's tender LED and the aft engine's tender LED light up is wrong. Any ideas? Thanks.

When in TR or Lashup mode I only get Cab, Whistles and cab sounds from the lead engine unless I specifically call up the other engines using ENG ID If I remember correctly

Now with 1.3 you can change what engine you want to hear the sounds from The manual talks about it on page 64-65 61 of the 1.3 manual

Chris,

Thanks for all your efforts in helping us all. I had no idea that I could change the sounds to a trailing engine in a Lashup!

However, I found the description on p 61 of the v1.3 on-line manual. This under the general section for (engine) Lashups.

Austin Bill

Thanks Bill, Yea I missed page 61, the other pages talks about adding the cars.

The feature is cool if you have an engine in the rear whose whistle/horn you prefer or if you have a weird streak in you and decide to have your GE Hybrid make mooing sounds (courtesy of the PRR Cattle Car) every time the horn is used

Just FYI this only works on the newer Legacy releases.

I get the fore/aft engine sounds selection feature - - neat. And that's working fine. My question was why do both engines' backup lights come on. Only the aft engine's should. Thanks.

Hi Marty,

What doesn't work on earlier Legacy engines and what do you consider "earlier?"

UP4023 Big Boy was my first (and I think THE first Legacy engine). Followed by my two UP FEF-3's and SP 4436 GS-4. Where do these fit in?

While passing out kudos, should have thanked you, too.

Austin Bill

My Legacy NYC GP7s don't work. I don't know what Lionel considers earlier too. I would like to see a list from Lionel. I know the VL cattle car does work correctly though.

Thanks Austin Bill. I tested different lashups again as well. (After of course ensuring clean tracks, fresh batteries, etc.) In terms of TMCC engine lashups I found again that both the lead and trailing engine back-up lights come on when in reverse. Every other function (e.g. head engine sounds, trailing engine headlight off, etc.) worked fine. With Cab1 mode lashups (with conventional engines that I converted to TMCC with ERR and DD components) only the trailing engine's back up light came on as it should (and TMCC lashups used to with v1.2). I couldn't test Legacy lashups because so far I have only one Legacy engine (AF Big Boy). Something with TMCC engine lashups isn't quite right, at least not in terms of back-up light illumination.

This morning I tested additional lashups with V1.3/CAB-2.

Didn't Work. Pair of Lionel JLC SP 3294 Cab Forwards with RS 5.0. Lead tender backup light stayed lit in reverse. Switched lead unit. Still didn't work.

Worked. Lionel UP F7A/powered F7B both RS 5.0. Backup light on lead unit worked normally. Shut off in reverse. Tried this twice with each unit programmed as lead. Worked both times. 2005 product I think.

Worked. Sunset 3rd Rail UP Mikado (Mac Arthur for UP) 2255 upgraded to ERR Cruise Commander and ERR Sound Commander in the lead teamed with Lionel UP Mikado 1925 in the rear. Worked. When backing up the ERR equipped tender light shut off.

Didn't work. Reversed the two engines and the Lionel 1925 Mike failed as it did yesterday when in a lash-up with it's twin Lionel Mike. Both failed again today. Very recent products. 2007 I think.

Retested the two Lionel UP JLC Challengers 3985 and 3977. Tested with each in the lead in turn. Both same as yesterday. Lead tender backup light stayed lit in reverse. Reset UP 3977 with code 74. Same results.

Austin Bill

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Originally posted by Austin Bill:

This morning I tested additional lashups with V1.3/CAB-2.

Lead tender backup light stayed lit in reverse. Reset UP 3977 with code 74. Same results.

Any combo I tried with pure Legacy engines the lead backup light works normally.

I had done all of the TMCC ones above several times at home and on the club layout with V1.2 and they worked.

Austin Bill

Uh, ohh!!    
 
Unless something is amiss, I guess we'll have to wait for the Legacy Version 1.4 update.
 

Yes Alan please don't buy

By the way, bet I wouldn't have even noticed the backup light issue if Sgaugian hadn't brought it up. No big deal for me.

We've come a long way since I rejoined the hobby in the mid 1990's after a ten year break. For me V1.3 is a great step forward.

IF the problem turns out to be "real" I just wanted Lionel (and the rest of you)to know.

In the meantime, I'll continue to totally enjoy V1.3!

Am looking forward to more posts on neat V1.3 features that I may be missing.

Austin Bill

Bill your work has been great, I hope Jon sees it and comments back. I just tore up all my track to start laying down some new track so I can't verify your findings or test them on other engines.

If this and the doghouse light issue is the only problem with 1.3 then I would say its been a very successful update

I second what Chris says Bill. You have been a great contributor to the forum and your input extremely valuable!

Thanks for the kind words, Marty and Chris.

Austin Bill

I found no problem with the v1.3 with my new Lionel O, 6-28318, Conrail Heritage SD70 ACe Diesel Locomotive w/Legacy i got today everything works greatn now i am waiting for my 6-11208 Union Pacific Big Boy it will be release in Oct, 2010 by lionel unless the shipping schedule is updated again next moth

Power up problems with Legacy and new ZW

I have a problem with the new ZW and Legacy.

The ZW is set up as follows:
ID# 0 (manual mode).
Set to single handle operation with internal jumper.

With CAB-1
Base powered up first then ZW.
Everything works OK.
HALT button on CAB-1 shuts off power.
Reset by turning off Power House.

With CAB-2 (Legacy 1.3)
If base is powered up first then ZW will not power up.
If ZW is powered up first then base;
Trains take off until base powers up.
HALT button on CAB-2 does not function.

Is there a solution for this problem? I want to use the Legacy and CAB-1
together. If I power up the Legacy and the CAB-1 base and the new ZW all
at the same time it works about 10% of the time. 90% of the time the ZW will not power up.

Power up ZW with handle(s) at 0 position.
Wait several seconds, then power up base.
Then move handle(s) to full power position

David,

Did you repair the ZW chip, I know there was a Halt issue with Legacy from the beginning. I never had a ZW so I am not sure of all the symptoms

Here is some info from MartyE about it http://www.martye.com/TipsandTricks/PWCZWLegacy.htm

Thank you Greenline and cbojanower,

Both offered good helpfull advice.

I contacted Lionel Customer Service by submitting information on the Service/Repair Question on their website. I received an email the next day stating that two ZW chips were in the mail.

This was far easier than trying to get through by phone.

Thanks again,

David

One feature that I really like that hasn't been discussed much... I can now run my CNW switcher in a lashup. When you add it it resets the switcher to run at the same speeds of the bigger engines. Very cool.

I also have played with moving the horn and bell around to different trains in a lashup. Neat feature. The GN GP7 I have was apparently made before that option was coded in so the sounds won't move away from it. I put the GP7 as the head engine in a lashup with the CNW switcher behind it then moved the sounds over the the switcher. With this setup, when I blow the horn I get a stereo effect which I actually quite enjoy.

That being said, I have always thought that (being the immature person I am) it would be a fun legacy feature to be able to blow all horns on the table at once. It would probably get old in about two seconds, but for some reason it is an urge I wish I could satisfy.

I haven't noticed any problems at all with the update version. Works great for me. I can't wait to see the Genset in action.

Ben

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That being said, I have always thought that (being the immature person I am) that it would be a fun legacy feature to be able to blow all horns on the table at once. It would probably get old in about two seconds, but for some reason it is an urge I wish I could satisfy.

You can do that with DCS and PS2 locos, and as another inmature person I can attest that it is fun

Berra:

Glad to know that I am not alone! I figured I couldn't be the only one. I feel kinda foolish as a grown man hoping for a feature like that... but what the heck, you only live once!

Ben

Thanks for the info, I will give it a try

Here's to add a little more to what Chris posted...

When you assign an engine it's unique ID using the PGM/RUN procedure, you are telling the engine what address to listen to from the Cab controller. For example if you assign a 21, the engine will wait until the Cab controller issues a command for address 21.

The information that is displayed when you push engine 21 is a profile for that engine. The name, road number and some options. You can certainly clear that information but when you push ENG 21 the Cab1 will still try to talk to the engine. The engine will still respond to commands.

Just a thought... you could have 5 Legacy engines all addressed as 21. Rotate them on and off the layout, each time reloading the particular module into Cab2. And be fine. The amount of time to reload a module is seconds.