Well the hysteria is in full swing on the O gauge side as to the new Lionel 2019 Vol. 2 catalog. The hard copies will be available around the 22nd at your local hobby store. Some stores already have them and are giving them out. (Mine is not).

So I and other S scalers have asked the O gauge catalog holders to tell us what might be new in S scale.

This post has all the general info but one member (Scott Smith) has revealed that new S product is as follows:

Berks retail $599.99:
Nickle Plate #765

Pere Marquette #1225

C&O #2697

Erie #3661

American Railroads #759

RF&P #572

My guess here is that the cancelled Legacy Berks from last years catalog (too low of a price) are being re-released with a higher price of $599.99.I hope these engines are Legacy.  They could be the new Lionchief 2.0 which has TMCC operability included alongside the LionChief/FlyerChief system but I doubt it.



Legacy U36C Retail $599.99: (Same price as the 2019 Vol 2 catalog)

Santa Fe #8703 , 8736 (Blue and Yellow)

Clinchfield #3600, 3604

CSX #7281, 7305

Milwaukee  #5802, 5803

These appear to be more Legacy U33's with different roadnames and/or numbers.



EP5 (Flyer Chief Control) Retail $329.99

New Haven # 372

New York Central #340

Great Northern #8305

Pennsylvania #4950 (Silver with single red stripe)

These are truly new. FlyerChief control. Lots of us have asked for new EP5's.

 

There are freight sound boxcars as well.

Correction to my original post! I misread the 'sound boxcars' to be like the original "ENGINE" SOUND BOXCARS. It looks like maybe these cars will offer sounds that an actual boxcar might make while rolling down the rails such as squealing brakes, flat wheels etc. They have had cars such as that on the "O" side for a long time. Now that  also is something new to S scale!

So all in all it sounds like a neat bunch of offerings for S scale.

So at worst you will be able to see these new offerings in about 2 weeks or so.

Mark

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Well I hope I'm not stepping on any Lionel toes here but this image is from the 2018 Big Book catalog where they originally offered the Legacy Berkshires which were then cancelled:

So if Lionel is going to re-offer these engines at a new $100.00 higher price I'd bet they haven't changed anything from what the proposed 2018 offerings were. Is the headlight on the engine shown what you want?

Mark

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richabr posted:

Well, they are the same numbers as the cancelled Berks.........A copy of the catalog would state Legacy control.

 

Rich

Yes. At $600.00 MSRP they would have to be Legacy Control as the FlyerChief versions are considerably cheaper. I guess there's a chance they could be some sort of FlyerChief 2.0 or some such thing but I doubt it.

Mark

banjoflyer posted:

Well I hope I'm not stepping on any Lionel toes here but this image is from the 2018 Big Book catalog where they originally offered the Legacy Berkshires which were then cancelled:

So if Lionel is going to re-offer these engines at a new $100.00 higher price I'd bet they haven't changed anything from what the proposed 2018 offerings were. Is the headlight on the engine shown what you want?

Mark

No, I was hoping they'd do the lower headlight version they did CAD drawing for C&O cad

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Just picked up a copy from Mario's Trains. The Berkshires are listed as Legacy. Yay! Same description as the previous catalog.

The diesels are listed as U36C's, also a Seaboard version.

EP5's as listed, look nice. The NYC scheme fits well.

GN heavyweights, 8 of them all sold separately, $89.99 list.

NH heavyweights, the same.

New 40ft boxcars - State of Maine, TP&W, Nashville & Chattanooga, Frisco, Vesuvius Crucible, Buffalo Creek, GN teal, Lancaster & Chester, Green Bay & Western, Rutland.

New 3 bay hoppers - B&O, Chessie, UP, Western Maryland.

New Milk flats - 4 bordens, white load W/black letters, Red letters, orange load W/gold letters, khaki load W/ gold letters. Florida juice, Sealtest, Renkens, Polar Express.

Rich

 

banjoflyer posted:

 

So at worst you will be able to see these new offerings in about 2 weeks or so.

Mark

Mark,

NOTINWI just posted all of the S scale pages.  But if you're in STL in the next two weeks, Schaefer's Hobby Shop (on Gravois near 270) has the catalogs out already.  I picked up a copy today.

Mike

MikeH

Mike,

To be honest, I don’t know if what I posted is ALL the S gauge pages or not.  I had to go through a lot to get them, but that’s a different story.

I am happy to see the EP5 show up. I’m not in for any of the livery’s cataloged, but I really hope Lionel does the EP5 in polar express colors to look similar to the O gauge Bi-polar express.  I think it looks really sharp.  

Ben

LCCA

richabr posted:

Just picked up a copy from Mario's Trains. The Berkshires are listed as Legacy. Yay! Same description as the previous catalog.

The diesels are listed as U36C's, also a Seaboard version.

EP5's as listed, look nice. The NYC scheme fits well.

GN heavyweights, 8 of them all sold separately, $89.99 list.

NH heavyweights, the same.

New 40ft boxcars - State of Maine, TP&W, Nashville & Chattanooga, Frisco, Vesuvius Crucible, Buffalo Creek, GN teal, Lancaster & Chester, Green Bay & Western, Rutland.

New 3 bay hoppers - B&O, Chessie, UP, Western Maryland.

New Milk flats - 4 bordens, white load W/black letters, Red letters, orange load W/gold letters, khaki load W/ gold letters. Florida juice, Sealtest, Renkens, Polar Express.

Rich

 

The highlighted cars are sound equipped boxcars I think.

What's the price on them? My squinting eyes read $129.99?

Mark

MikeH posted:

Mark,

 But if you're in STL in the next two weeks, Schaefer's Hobby Shop (on Gravois near 270) has the catalogs out already. 

Mike

Thanks Mike, I might do that. I called Mark Twain Hobby and they said they don't have catalogs yet. 

Thanks for the $129.99 price info on the sound boxcars too.

The above shown box describing the EP5's shows two things...

Shouldn't a conventional transformer need to be AC powered?

Good news that maybe Lionel now is showing minimum curve data (R20) instead of that goofy minimum S36 they used to show!

Mark

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The sound cars are not steam or whistle sounds. They are "real railroad train sounds". Probably wheel screeching, etc. It is suggested that one be placed every 5/6 cars to simulate a variety of real train sounds. Could get expensive! 

Rich

Thanks for the info. depending on the street price (Ro) I'll probably be tempted to get a pair.

I like the looks of the TPW car and maybe the Vesuvius Crucible.

I can see the $$ flying away already...

Mark

(I wish they would at some point lose the goofy door latch on the AF boxcars) 

richabr posted:

Mark,

 

The sound cars are not steam or whistle sounds. They are "real railroad train sounds". Probably wheel screeching, etc. It is suggested that one be placed every 5/6 cars to simulate a variety of real train sounds. Could get expensive! 

Rich

No kidding... 

$600 for an engine: $130 for a boxcar. Thank goodness this stuff is made in China; otherwise things might get REAL expensive! 

If there is hope about bringing in "new blood" into this hobby, then who ever it is better have DEEP pockets.

Mark in Oregon

FlyerRich posted:

So the question remains, will the Legacy Berks be produced as described by Dave Olson in this thread

Yes.

Chuck K posted:

I am pumped that we may get two new Legacy locos manufactured if both the Berks and the U36c's get enough orders. I'll do my part and get one of each as soon as Charles Ro starts taking orders.

U33 and U36 (last catalog and this catalog) have already been made and are on the water. The U36 in this catalog was forecast in limited quantities.

 

The sound cars are not steam or whistle sounds. They are "real railroad train sounds". Probably wheel screeching, etc. It is suggested that one be placed every 5/6 cars to simulate a variety of real train sounds.

They will use the same sound set as our new O Gauge FreightSounds cars. We did a completely new sound set for the cars this year. Less bangs, more realistic sounds.

Dave Olson

Director of Engineering

Lionel LLC

Dave O,

Thanks for the additional info.  Will the new railroad sound cars work with traditional analog/curved/sinusoidal wave form AC as well as with chopped?  I was disappointed to discover (post-purchase) that AF steam and diesel sound box cars only work with chopped.  Unfortunately just prior to buying them I had moved from TPC400's (chopped AC) back to 30B's (curved), so both of those sound cars are now instead just heavily weighted more expensive than usual box cars.   

Dave

Dave

S happens

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x-Chief Wrench & Bottle-washer of Precision Flyer Repairs 

Sgaugian posted:

Dave O,

Thanks for the additional info.  Will the new railroad sound cars work with traditional analog/curved/sinusoidal wave form AC as well as with chopped?  I was disappointed to discover (post-purchase) that AF steam and diesel sound box cars only work with chopped.  Unfortunately just prior to buying them I had moved from TPC400's (chopped AC) back to 30B's (curved), so both of those sound cars are now instead just heavily weighted more expensive than usual box cars.   

Dave

Also, will they operate on 50Hz in the UK?

Sgaugian posted:

Will the new railroad sound cars work with traditional analog/curved/sinusoidal wave form AC as well as with chopped?

Yes, and they will work on DC power as well.

Ukaflyer posted:

Also, will they operate on 50Hz in the UK?

Yes.

Dave Olson

Director of Engineering

Lionel LLC

Strummer posted

$600 for an engine

If there is hope about bringing in "new blood" into this hobby, then who ever it is better have DEEP pockets.

Mark in Oregon

Mark, I have to disagree about $600 being expensive for a high end steam engine. This will be the least expensive premium steamer I have purchased.

Chuck K posted:
Strummer posted

$600 for an engine

If there is hope about bringing in "new blood" into this hobby, then who ever it is better have DEEP pockets.

Mark in Oregon

Mark, I have to disagree about $600 being expensive for a high end steam engine. This will be the least expensive premium steamer I have purchased.

Have to agree there Chuck.

If you want expensive S scale steamers here's a few.

I'm gonna guess that the C. Ro price for these $600.00 steamers might fall just under $500.00.

That's still a pile of dough for a toy (if you look at it as a toy) but if you view it as a finely machined scale model that looks, acts and sounds like the real thing then maybe $500.00 is OK. I still think that they are meant to be run just like the $100.00 Gilbert steamer and not worshiped on a shelf as a purist collector might do.

It's kinda like comparing a $500.00 pair of Zeiss binoculars to a $75.00 Nikon pair from Walmart. Not quite the same level of quality but they still will make things look bigger.

I was already to buy the RF&P Legacy Berkshire from the 2018 catalog. Had all the $$ allocated and made my order. After the cancellation my stash of $$ dwindled as I saw other "must-haves!" so it remains to be seen if I can cobble another $500.00 together. I might try to sell a few engines at the S-Fest this year to get some more dough.

Mark

banjoflyer posted:

I was already to buy the RF&P Legacy Berkshire from the 2018 catalog. Had all the $$ allocated and made my order. After the cancellation my stash of $$ dwindled as I saw other "must-haves!" so it remains to be seen if I can cobble another $500.00 together. I might try to sell a few engines at the S-Fest this year to get some more dough.

Mark

What is the S-Fest, and where and when will the S-Fest happen this year?

Arnold (Long time O Gauge Operator, who has a few nice Postwar S Gauge locomotives and cars, 3 boxes of Postwar track and switches, the big AF Postwar transformer with the dual dead man's throttles, and who will soon build a small AF layout in a spare room). 

In my little world, I leave this troubled world behind.

Sgaugian posted:

Will the new railroad sound cars work with traditional analog/curved/sinusoidal wave form AC as well as with chopped?

Dave O: Yes, and they will work on DC power as well.

Dave O,

Can I send in my steam and diesel sound box cars to get them retrofitted so they will as well?   Thanks.

Dave

Dave

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TCA, NASG, ACSG W&OD

x-Chief Wrench & Bottle-washer of Precision Flyer Repairs 

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