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"Behind every steam locomotive there's a tender behind."

We spend so much time photographing the front end of steam locomotives, maybe it's time to give the oft-ignored, unsung tender its due.

Scale, tinplate, toy, prototype are eligible as long as the tender figures prominently in the photo.  Also eligible: Turbine, diesel fuel tenders and auxiliary water tenders.

So, without further adieu, a little starter.

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Rusty

 

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Here are some pics of my K Line scale Pennsy A5 locomotive and tender.  I bought it brand new in early 2019 and weathered it using pastels chalks.  IMHO the slope back tender is what brings a special character to the A5.  fullsizeoutput_640

To give it an added authentic look, ... I took special care to add spilled coal around the upper deck and slope of the tender.  IMG_9059IMG_9077IMG_9058

 I spilled coal on the tender's apron. IMG_9185

The A5 and it's tender on the layout in action.   This Pennsy A5 has become one of my favorite locomotives to run on the layout.  It's old weather beaten  look blends right in with the era of which I model.  IMG_9103IMG_9145IMG_9125

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This is the tender of my Boston & Albany Railroad D-1a 4-6-6T tank engine built by Alco Schenectady in 1926 – model by K-Line. These engines ran in commuter service in the Boston area and had this configuration so that they could be operated tender forward. Their frame was integral with the engine and they were supported by a single three-axle truck.

MELGAR

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I'll jump in for the 1:1 size tenders.  Here's the cistern we built in the roundhouse at Greenfield Village a few years ago to replace the well worn one that was on our 1873 Mason 0-6-4T.  The old tank was probably the second one it had in its lifetime and was installed sometime in the early 1900s.  As a result, it had definitely seen better days.  The sheets for the new ones were cut and bent at a fabrication shop since we don't have the tools to do that forming easily in our shop, however the frame and the tank itself was assembled by our staff more or less the same way the original would have been.  This includes around 2200+ hot rivets that we utilized to hold it together (and all the holes that were drilled/reamed to accept them).  There were a couple locations that we had to cheat on and weld, but the majority of it is riveted together just like the original.  I will say, we were all quite sore at the end of that project. 

Old meets new

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Prior to being sent out for paint.

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Finally placed on the locomotive's frame during last winter's cab replacement project.

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@SantaFe158 posted:

I'll jump in for the 1:1 size tenders.  Here's the cistern we built in the roundhouse at Greenfield Village a few years ago to replace the well worn one that was on our 1873 Mason 0-6-4T.  The old tank was probably the second one it had in its lifetime and was installed sometime in the early 1900s.  As a result, it had definitely seen better days.  The sheets for the new ones were cut and bent at a fabrication shop since we don't have the tools to do that forming easily in our shop, however the frame and the tank itself was assembled by our staff more or less the same way the original would have been.  This includes around 2200+ hot rivets that we utilized to hold it together (and all the holes that were drilled/reamed to accept them).  There were a couple locations that we had to cheat on and weld, but the majority of it is riveted together just like the original.  I will say, we were all quite sore at the end of that project. 

Old meets new

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Prior to being sent out for paint.

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Finally placed on the locomotive's frame during last winter's cab replacement project.

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Great job Jake!   

The new tank looks beautiful.  I give you guys real credit at Greenfield Village for keeping the engines in good repair given the limitations you have on space, tools and budget.

I've been involved with the Village many years and was one of the first in a group to visit the "new" roundhouse.  That was a God send to the whole program.  It was so long in coming.  

Now if you could only convince the board to allocate some funds to get the Allegheny back in shape!  

@Allegheny posted:

Great job Jake!   

The new tank looks beautiful.  I give you guys real credit at Greenfield Village for keeping the engines in good repair given the limitations you have on space, tools and budget.

I've been involved with the Village many years and was one of the first in a group to visit the "new" roundhouse.  That was a God send to the whole program.  It was so long in coming.  

Now if you could only convince the board to allocate some funds to get the Allegheny back in shape!  

Thanks for the compliment!  I wouldn't hold my breath on the Allegheny though 

@MELGAR posted:

As far as tenders go, this one, on a Boston & Albany D-1A 4-6-6T tank engine (model by K-Line) is the one that I think is unique. Note the rear pilot, headlight, rear marker lamps, three-axle truck, and high and narrow coal bunker to preserve rearward vision.

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I would agree. K-Line certainly paid attention to detail. Excellent model of a unique locomotive.

The PRR M1 4-8-2 when first produced had a tender similar to the one used on K4 steamers, a 110-P-75.  This tender carried 11,980 gallons of water and 18.5 tones of coal.

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Apparently this proved too small for the big 4-8-2, and bigger tenders soon replaced the smaller K4 style tender.  There were at least three types used, but the one seen most often was the 210-F-75, a 22,090 gallons of water/31.5 tons of coal behemoth with dog house.  The original 210-F-75 had 6-wheel truck.  In later years the tender received 8-wheel trucks and renamed 210-F-75B.

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Two homemade Vanderbilt Coal Tenders, a shorter one and longer 6 wheel one that looks better with 2046, 671 and 2065 engines I have.   Front coal section of VCT were made from junk Lionel Coal Tenders and mailing tubes for the water tanks.  It is hard to find Vanderbilt Coal Tenders to buy for older post war locomotives.

The new longer 6 wheel Vanderbilt Coal tender is only one inch longer than the first one and the same length of the longer Lionel 6 wheel CTs sold with longer engines.

 

Charlie

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Two homemade Vanderbilt Coal Tenders, a shorter one and longer 6 wheel one that looks better with 2046, 671 and 2065 engines I have.   Front coal section of VCT were made from junk Lionel Coal Tenders and mailing tubes for the water tanks.  It is hard to find Vanderbilt Coal Tenders to buy for older post war locomotives.

The new longer 6 wheel Vanderbilt Coal tender is only one inch longer than the first one and the same length of the longer Lionel 6 wheel CTs sold with longer engines.

 

Charlie

Charlie:

That is superb modeling! The tenders are GREAT!

@CAPPilot posted:

Wrong tender.  Looks like it is from a K4.

Hi Ron,

I don't think it is a K4 tender, as least not a K4 tender I have seen pictured.  May be for some earlier K type engine.

Here is an over head pic.  The new K4 on left and the one in question on the right.

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The problem I saw was that the tender obviously did not match up to the engine it was packed and shipped with.

This is  a pic of the L1's cab road number 520,

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This is a pic of the tender/tender's back-up lamp numbered 9630!

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Ron by any chance do you have an index cross reference of Pennsy steam engine road numbers to engine classes?

Ron

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@PRRronbh posted:

Hi Ron,

The problem I saw was that the tender obviously did not match up to the engine it was packed and shipped with.

This is  a pic of the L1's cab road number 520,

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This is a pic of the tender/tender's back-up lamp numbered 9630!

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Ron by any chance do you have an index cross reference of Pennsy steam engine road numbers to engine classes?

Ron

#520 is correct for the L1, built in 1916 and retired in 1957.  It currently is on display in Strasburg.

#9630 was one of the five L2 engines the PRR kept.  Bought in 1919 and scrapped in 1948.

I assume you bought it used.  Maybe the other owner also had an L1 and accidentally swapped tenders when they were sold.

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@CAPPilot posted:

#520 is correct for the L1, built in 1916 and retired in 1957.  It currently is on display in Strasburg.

#9630 was one of the five L2 engines the PRR kept.  Bought in 1919 and scrapped in 1948.

I assume you bought it used.  Maybe the other owner also had an L1 and accidentally swapped tenders when they were sold.

Ron,

Not used bought from Jimmy in Homer City, Pa.  He took it back and refunded me.

To the best of my knowledge Mike/MTH nevr made a L2!??

Now thanks to you I know why that 9630 road number kept resonating with me.  And I have the K-Line Pennsy L2 #9628 not a bad representation of the 9628.  The tender Jimmy sent me with the L1 is in fact the same tender shape as this K-Line L2.

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Thanks so much for jogging my memory.

Ron

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@PRRronbh posted:

To the best of my knowledge Mike/MTH nevr made a L2!??

MTH produced their USRA 2-8-2 in Pennsy livery, but it did not have the Pennsy specific mods like the K-Line model.  (I don't think Lionel's version had the Pennsy mods either.)  Neither MTH or Lionel called their Pennsy version an L2.

It would be interesting to know how the tenders got swapped.

ADDED - just checked, the Lionel USRA 2-8-2 is their generic Mikado with no Pennsy mods.  I am really glad I got the K-Line and upgraded it with ERR cruise.

As far as I could find, this USRA tender carried 14.5 tons coal and 10,000 gallons water, making it on the small size for a Pennsy tender.  Here is some photos:

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@CAPPilot posted:

MTH produced their USRA 2-8-2 in Pennsy livery, but it did not have the Pennsy specific mods like the K-Line model.  (I don't think Lionel's version had the Pennsy mods either.)  Neither MTH or Lionel called their Pennsy version an L2.

It would be interesting to know how the tenders got swapped.

ADDED - just checked, the Lionel USRA 2-8-2 is their generic Mikado with no Pennsy mods.

I suggested to Jimmy that if the locos were on display and packed up maybe the tender got switched.  Was hoping we could just swap out for the correct ones.  He could not find the correct one in the shop so I returned it for refund. Then got one off of eBay.  So maybe was packed that way from China!?.

Ron 

@CAPPilot posted:

MTH produced their USRA 2-8-2 in Pennsy livery, but it did not have the Pennsy specific mods like the K-Line model.  (I don't think Lionel's version had the Pennsy mods either.)  Neither MTH or Lionel called their Pennsy version an L2.

It would be interesting to know how the tenders got swapped.

ADDED - just checked, the Lionel USRA 2-8-2 is their generic Mikado with no Pennsy mods.  I am really glad I got the K-Line and upgraded it with ERR cruise.

As far as I could find, this USRA tender carried 14.5 tons coal and 10,000 gallons water, making it on the small size for a Pennsy tender.  Here is some photos:

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Ron what manufacture made the tender in your photos?

Ron

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