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Recently, I sought out two MTH Premier locomotives found in the 2007, volumes one and 2, catalogs. One was a die-cast early diesel-electric, a Reading Alco-GE I/R(Ingersoll Rand) Boxcab; and, the other unit is a Conrail E44 Electric Engine.

 

I'm pleased to report that I am very happy with these new arrivals; and both seem to be working, just fine.

 

Re: this thread's title -

 

Prior to purchasing both these engines, I did some research... I like to know all about what I'm getting.

 

I perused MTH's online Product Locator and their 2007 volumes one and 2 catalogs. While doing my research, I discovered that there was significant misinformation stated/printed about the Conrail E44(20-5600-1).         

 

Specifically, the MTH volume 2 catalog states: under the "what's new in this catalog" heading, found on pages one and 2, "Conrail fans will want to check out the new Premier E44 electric"...

 

- on page 129 of the catalog: ..."E44 joins the MTH lineup, complete with fully die-cast body...

 

- ..."and authentic single arm GE-Faively pantographs that raise and lower automatically according to the direction of travel"

 

On MTH's product Locator:

 

under features, it states: "Intricately Detailed Die-Cast Body"

 

          - "Opening doors"

 

          - "Opening hatches"

 

          - "Operating smoke unit"

 

 

Luckily, I found out ahead of time, that MTH's new Premier E44 doesn't contain those features. Instead, it has a ABS plastic body; the doors don't look like they can open; I haven't found any opening hatches; it doesn't have an operating smoke unit and the pantographs are manually raised... they don't raise and lower, automatically.

 

When I was first considering this particular model, not only did I like it's looks, but I liked the fact it was supposed to be die-cast; and, at a good price... $429.95.

 

When I found out the locomotive wasn't die-cast, I was a bit disappointed, but I ordered it anyway. I checked out some videos featuring it, and it looked pretty good.

 

One thing that puzzles me is - I was under the impression that this was a new model or at least, that it has new tooling... because that's what is states on page 129 of the catalog, "New Tooling".

 

I also note that mine has MTH's older style trucks... with flange-less wheels located on the inner end of the trucks, near the center of the locomotive; plus, the controls are located underneath the locomotive. Again, the old way of doing things...

 

I can see making a small error, but this, to me, is significant. I would have been pretty upset, had I expected all those features and found something very much, different.

 

I won't give you my opinion of these two new models, here; the point of this thread is "due diligence".

 

 

Rick

 

 

 

 

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Go to the product locator, punch in 20-5600-1; that should contain up-to-date information and it doesn't.

 

My dealer thought the product locator should have been accurate, too!

 

This product has been out there for some time, now. Surely, it has been mentioned before... re the incorrect and misleading information.

 

 

Rick

 

 

Actually, Rusty, even though they were basically a freight machine; supposedly, a few did some passenger work.

 

BTW, what prompted me to look further, after initially noting the claim that it was a die-cast rig, was the price. A brand new model, feature rich and die-cast... seemed, just to good to be true.

 

Keep in mind I'm a seasoned MTH guy; a less experienced customer could easily have been misled .

 

Rick

I called MTH yesterday to find out if the new traditional tinplate christmas engine had a whistle.  I was trying to do my homework....after being directed to several MTH employees...no one at MTH knew the answer to my question.  I was told to call back tomorrow because the person who could answer my question wasn't there...

 

Sunrise

MTH catalogue copy is simply frightful.  At least the errors can be addressed online.

 

For years, the IVES 1134 was said to be made of sheet metal -- it isn't -- and would be totally different from the die cast original.  Even in the photoshopped images, rolling stock is depicted with the wrong trucks/couplers.  And often the text simply doesn't make sense.

Ron,

 

I figured somebody must have brought these significant errors to MTH's attention; yet, they're still advertising it(their E44's) using misleading/incorrect information.

 

What's that say about, MTH?

 

If it was my company, I would have moved to correct the error, right away!

 

Besides that, what do you think of the model?

 

 

Rick

 

 

There is no significant advantage to doing these units as die cast models.  The only impetus to do so is to carry on the tradition of die cast electrics started with the post war Lionel die cast GG-1.  As Andy Edelman confided to me, it costs the manufacturer an extra $25 to produce the thing with a die cast body, but they can get away with charging an extra $300 for the same piece.  These models are mechanically just the same as a model of a diesel with a pantograph mounted on top.  By doing them in plastic, MTH has saved you a lot of money.

Neal,

 

Did Andy say anything about why they went with their older style trucks and chassis mounted controls; and why they left out the smoke unit, the opening doors and hatches; and powered pantographs?

 

"New Tooling" what's that supposed to convey to the customer? Sort-of-but-not-really, "New Tooling"?

 

Next time Andy's in the confiding mood... ask him for me, please?

 

 

Rick

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Neal,

 

I'm not taking you to task, re: these issues.

 

BTW, The Product locator re: the E44 still has the misleading/incorrect information. When I first became suspicious that something might incorrect, I asked my experienced train dealer what he thought. He relies on the Product Locator for accurate product information and he thought the current information, must be accurate.

 

When I told him I discovered the model was ABS instead of being die-cast, that surprised him. I called him the other day to let him know that I had received both locomotives; and we talked about the discrepancies... He thought MTH might have originally intended to go with a die-cast model; but, for some reason, changed their mind. He wondered if they(MTH) had substituted their Premier GG1 features info into the E44's features listing.

 

 

MTH,

 

I hope somebody contacted you about these issues... It's time to make the appropriate corrections.

 

Guys like me, that are not in close proximity to their dealer, rely heavily on your published and online information systems, for accurate/factual product information; so we can make informed purchase decisions...

 

 

Rick

 

 

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