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Getting us in the spirit early, eh Chris? Beautiful photo and locomotive.
Video shows a Carette gauge 1 steeple cab (48mm) electric loco cat. # 1088/21 pulling a Carette "D" coach cat. # 135/22/48, all ca. 1911. The locomotive is friction drive with the front axle powered by direct contact between a bushing attached to both sides of the motor shaft, and the wheel rims. Carette gauge 1 is 48 mm, three mm wider than the customary. Some locos and rolling stock bind on 45 mm 1 gauge curves, e..g., the coach in this video, which had to be re-gauged to run on 45mm 1 gauge track.
What a gorgeous loco!
The American Flyer ART Reefer
...and a scale model of the real thing
all things considered I think Flyer did a good job of representing the real thing.
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Digging back through the photo library. Here is a pic of a Bowman live steam loco I cleaned up and painted a while back.
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Jaime, can you try reposting that? Can’t see it. George
From the archives -
American Flyer 3/16" O gauge
Have a Great Tinplate Weekend
Northwoods Flyer
Greg
George S posted:Jaime, can you try reposting that? Can’t see it. George
Thanks for the head up. I have reposted the photo.
JKE: Beautiful engine, but is that screeching sound due to the 48mm drive wheels on 45mm track, OR is that the noise of the friction drive? Mark me puzzled.
Lovely Carette steeple cab Jim, thanks for sharing it. Another Carette in O gauge live steam, this one has been made by Basset Lowke in Great Britain around 1925 using Carette tools . Carette disapeared around 1917 during the first world war.
Have a nice weekend, Daniel
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As it looks like "Carette Week " on the show us yer tinplate thread I will dig into the Archives myself and post up my Winteringham Loco .. I posted it here on the forums in April last year I believe?
As you can see its certainly not in running condition , but this loco came to me courtesy of an EBay seller who had no idea what it was and listed it as an " Old Brass push toy train "
I near snapped my neck doing a double take LOL ... So began a very tense 6 days of stalking this auction and hoping no-one else would find it , it was listed under tin toys rather than anything train related ... the final day arrived and with 10 seconds to go on the item I gave it my best price .. fully expecting to be sniped by a fellow collector ... and got it for the opening bid !
$12 Australian ! ( about 8$US ) ...
To be fair at the time I didnt know it was a Winteringham , but thought it was actually a Carette ( or similar)
It is missing the piston and cylinder for the steam propulsion as well as the burner , but it is a restoration possibility ( I am pretty sure an adapted mamod will work!)
But as history tells us ( and as Daniel mentions above ) the Carette tooling went to England after Carette dissolved and they were obtained by Winteringham ( who was a design/supply company to Bassett-Lowke)
Many of the Carette tooled British made items were stamped Bassett-Lowke as a matter of course, but on this one little loco it was held back by Winteringhams as they decided the future of their company was not just to act as labour making B-L stuff but instead release a few designs of theirs NOT through B-L !
https://www.brightontoymuseum....ory:Winteringham_Ltd
A stolen youtube video of a working model
I do not know how many of these were made , but it seems very few survived ... in researching it when I got it , I only found a handful of examples and only three running ones
Fatman, nice little engine and for a offer !!! It could be restored, if it was mine it would have been done ...
Daniel
FRENCHTRAINS posted:Fatman, nice little engine and for a offer !!! It could be restored, if it was mine it would have been done ...
Daniel
So I should send it to you (with a nice case of wine) for restoration over the cold cold French winter 
I could do it but postage will be very high..... especially for your excellent Australian wines...
Tinplate Art posted:JKE: Beautiful engine, but is that screeching sound due to the 48mm drive wheels on 45mm track, OR is that the noise of the friction drive? Mark me puzzled.
Art, it's the sound of the friction drive. The motor tends to whirl at a faster rate than the wheels turn. The drive bushings are scored, and this produces the whine. Daniel, that's a nice little Carette steamer. Fatman, the Winteringham was a real find!
JKE: Thank you for the explanation. DANIEL: NICE Carette by Basset Lowke O gauge live steamer with an equally NICE tender! FATMAN: Fascinating video of that Winteringham live steamer - hope you get yours puffing! ☺
FATMAN: What is the approximate vintage of that Winteringham loco?
Tinplate Art posted:FATMAN: Was Winteringham a British firm and what vintage is your loco?
Hey Art !
Yes they were a firm that set up to design and manufacture tinplate for the prestigious Bassett-Lowke brand ...
Bassett-Lowke early on was a sales/marketing firm who contracted manufacturers to design and provide tinplate for sale under the name . Before the war ( WWI) they used a lot of German manufacturers and marketed them under their own name , Hence today we have terms like "Bing for Bassett-Lowke, Carettefor Bassett-Lowke etc ) Their two main factories in the UK supplying them were Twining Models and Winteringham.
https://www.brightontoymuseum....ry:Bassett-Lowke_Ltd
https://www.brightontoymuseum....ory:Winteringham_Ltd
Bassett-Lowke was built with "Old Money " lol and had made a motza during the industrial revolution as Boiler makers so WJ Bassett-lowke was well funded enough to contract serious scale representations etc that a "normal" tinplate company would find uneconomical and dangerous to produce and market , B-L contracted a set amount of stock and paid for the priviledge, taking on the risk rather than the factory .
They built a huge range of scales , even up to 15 inch Gauge Live Steam !
They also were excellent ship modellers etc as well ...
My Winteringham is c. 1921
Some years ago I bought a Le Rapide CIWL restaurant with an wrongly painted gloss black roof.
This did not look good with my other Le Rapide CIWL cars, since these roofs should be off-white. So I changed the roof with the roof of an Le Rapide SNCF car.
But then the SNCF car did not look good and I noticed that LE rapide SNCF cars do have not off-white but white roofs. So that iss how I repainted it:
Regards
Fred
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