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I bought this 2001 TCA Convention flat car, received it this week:

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Well it looks like a great weekend and lots of std gauge...Craig you posted a video of your new car running in a std gauge oval.  The car is really cool but I wanted to ask what is the curve radius or dia that you used in that oval.  I have not been able (space) to run std gauge in many years, but your oval looks like something I could accommodate even if only at Holiday time.

My newest acquisition is a Hafner 1010 freight set.  I posted a picture of this on the "Hafner Trains" thread but I wanted to include some additional photo's here.  Papa Eastman and Jim O'C sent me some excellent information to help me date the set and it appears to be 1938 through 1951 then stopping with the Wyandotte acquisition (although everyone agrees that "new old stock" was likely sold until it ran out. )   Using 1951 as the likely latest year, that makes this set as a minimum near 70 years old and perhaps as old as 80 + years.  I find it to be in remarkable condition either way with nearly no play marks or scratches, and the track that came with the set does not look like anything has ever been run on it.  So anyway here is my contribution this weekend.

Here is the mighty 1010 steamer, pulling her whole train across my mantle!  The paint missing on the cow catcher is almost the only sign of use in the entire set.

Hafner set full train

Here is a picture of the 1010 and her chrome sided tender

Hafner set loco

Here is the automobile car (note not just a box car but an automobile car-interesting choice)

Hafner set auto car

Of course here in Texas we are always interested in the cattle car!

Hafner set cattle

What freight train of the 1930's-1950's would be complete without a caboose

Hafner set caboose

Happy Memorial Day everyone.  Let us all remember our veterans without whom we might not be here.

Don McErlean

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Don,

You note that Hafner called their boxcar an "automobile car" instead of just a plain box car.  Oddly enough, American Flyer did the same, with both smaller and larger cars.

without and with doors

Larger cars,

1112 early with orange litho and white lettering

1115 later with white lettering (note the lithograph is too high and the American Flyer lettering is hidden by the roof)

1115 late with black lettering, again note the American Flyer lettering is hidden by the roof.

1112 later with red lithograph

Early 1115 with red lithograph

NWL

 

 

 

 

Don,

You note that Hafner called their boxcar an "automobile car" instead of just a plain box car.  Oddly enough, American Flyer did the same, with both smaller and larger cars.

without and with doors

Larger cars,

1112 early with orange litho and white lettering

1115 later with white lettering (note the lithograph is too high and the American Flyer lettering is hidden by the roof)

1115 late with black lettering, again note the American Flyer lettering is hidden by the roof.

1112 later with red lithograph

Early 1115 with red lithograph

NWL

 

 

 

 

That 1112 has 8-wheel trucks you don't see very often. Thanks for sharing.

@Jim O'C posted:

That 1112 has 8-wheel trucks you don't see very often. Thanks for sharing.

According to the Greenberg's guide it is unusual, but in fact it is more common than you think.

It is also common to find the 1115 on a 4 wheel frame

In fact, the same goes for the 1113/1116 gondolas, which can also go both ways.

What is really difficult to find is both variations of this car, note the 1112 has a lithographed door and the 1115 has a plain white door

NWL

 

Some really great stuff as always folks

My contribution this week is a Marx Canadian Pacific set found here in Australia ( so no uber uber expensive shipping !!! Yayyyy! )

I am pretty sure its a pre-war set, but as always will defer to more learned folks ... early Marx, or indeed anything USA is not common here so I snapped it up as I have always wanted a CP set ... I think its complete even down to the paperwork , but sadly no box and the transformer has seen better days indeed lol

Overall its pretty rough , but as you know this rarely bothers me

Fatman:  Can't believe I might be able to help you vice the reverse   !  Here is what I could find in my Marx references.

a. Sets - As you know Marx was not too forthcoming in dating its sets.  All the ones I found listed in Greenberg, Marx Sets, Vol III only partially matched your consist, although perhaps some cars were lost over the years.  The closest I found was:

 

 

Fatman :  Sorry hit post button by mistake...anyway the closest set I found was:

Set 5005 Steam Freight Set which had the CP type 0-4-0 loco in gray and black with the NYC type 551 tender . My strongest clue here is that this set came with a transformer, track, and most importantly a pair of switches.  Now here is perhaps a mystery, besides the two cars you showed (they are the same as the set listing) it also included a Cattle Car, no 59 (UP brown), a Gondola,no 552 (CRI&P, green) and a Refrigerator Car,no. 555 (C&S, blue top).   None of these cars are particularly rare and often appear on e-bay.

The best clue to the fact that this MIGHT be the set would be the transformer.  The one in this set was a type 729, 45-watt and if these numbers match then not only would it ID the set but it could help date the year of manufacture. 

Now the components :

Hopper is a no 1678 Northern Pacific and it was made between 1938 - 1953.  T/S couplers date it to before the plastic knuckle coupler date

Tender is a no 551(C or N) if a C it was made between 1936-1938 and as an N it was made from 1940-1952 (of course allowing no trains were made from '42-'45). The distinction between these lies in small details you can't see in the picture (or in fact they may be identical).  In fact their "catalogue number was identical 551(A), just to make things more confusing.

Caboose can't be seen too well in the photo's. It appears to be a NYC type 556, 6" 4-wheel caboose, which was made through out the entire period.   There are differences that can be used in dating, they include the style of the lettering and the absence, inclusion, and placement of the Marx logo. 

Loco : My references do not give an exact match to the loco you pictured.  The closest I can get is the 3000 type produced in 1940 which matches your loco in every way except it is listed as a 2-4-2 vice an 0-4-0.  Now the type 3000 came in many, many variations and with the war closing in who knows, Marx may just have left the pilot and trailing trucks off, he really didn't like them much anyway (claimed they were always coming off the track). 

Well I leave the rest to other Marx fans...OH lest we forget, if this set was manufactured for export or even manufactured in the UK and exported to Australia, then all bets are off.  My references are just US manufacture for the most part.

Post a transformer number, I might be able to do better dating from that. 

Best Regards

Don

Thank you @Don McErlean, and @Steve "Papa" Eastman !

Its on the slow truck ( due to that Covid thingy everyone is ranting about ) so when it gets here I will certainly update with a transformer No   I dont think Marx actively exported sets to Australia ( I might be wrong , but there is bugger all I have found mentioning it ) , possibly to the UK where it might have found its way here ?

The set did not come from a collector as such and so it is likely it is "as found" rather than cobbled together , the paperwork ( which looks incredibly delicate in the pictures) kind of hints at it being "a set" as well . there may indeed have been other cars lost to the ravages of time ( or stepped on by a clumsy kid lol ) I have a few other pictures I will add as in the original post I didnt want it to be a wall of "look at me" lol

 

 

I dig the Ranger tower!!!  Have to make one of those!, lighted no less lol

Here's a tower that I cobbled together using a Lionel beacon tower and a tin log hut found at the Allentown train meet some years ago .  The tabs on the hut lined up almost perfectly with the top of the red tower base . At some point I will add a LED light to it and add a few figures .IMG_3759IMG_3758IMG_3760IMG_3754IMG_3757

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Farman:  The heavy lettering on the caboose numbers plus its red frame mark it as pre-war almost certainly. Great find!  

Johnnie Walker- the log cabin looks great I think it might be the guards lookout tower from the corners of the walls ( there were 2) from the Marx “Ft. Apache” play set. These were mounted to two walls I.e. in a corner so didn’t need a separate tower. 

Don McErlean 

@scott.smith awesome layout and beautiful tinplate consist- that's a great picture and the water next to the train looks amazing- great job! Also, Love the focus on tinplate houses! Are those all repainted Lionel Villas? Nice switch tower pick-up- looks to be in great in condition too!

@Don McErlean what a great Hafner consist and in such fantastic condition. I almost bought that engine at a local antique mall but the condition wasn't up to snuff. Anyway, love the Hafner consist, so colorful,and have always loved Hafner cars- very unique and a big fan of the rounded corners.

@Steve "Papa" Eastman - sweet Dorfan consist! There's something about the Dorfan steeple cabs that makes them look a bit more detailed than comparable Lionel, Flyer and Ives. Also like the prewar O consistinside the modern standard gauge consist. Once I have my layout in order and make some necessary purchases for it, I'd eventually like to purchase an o gauge MTH tinplate engine with proto to lead my prewar cars.

 @Nation Wide Lines - great prewar Flyer as always! Especially love that you shared cars with heralds- being from PA the green PRR gondolas caught my eye. Also, while not a big New York Central fan, those Dairy/Refrigerator cars are really neat and I've never seen them- and I've frequently perused that very long thread of prewar American Flyer pictures on another site.

@JohnnieWalker relly digging that tower you made- looks really cool! In general, loving all the tinlate structures and old metal or lead figures- great variety.

@Arne as always, thanks for sharing some European tinplate. Definitely one of the better KBN consists that Ive seen andI really like both of the passenger cars with it. Also- picking up from last weekend's thread when we were talking about the KBN Kuhl-Wagen and the Bing Kuhl-wagen. Your reply was very helpful and informativeWhile trying to discover the maker, model or year of these tinplate items is one of the fun things about tinplate that search can also sometimes be frustrating. That said, I also have a "Milch-Wagen that loos very much like the Bing Kuhl-Wagen which you pictured. One of my favorite cars except for 1.) the metal part of a pencil eraser is stuck in the chassis and 2.) I haven't ever found it on the historytoy site. 4 wheels with Bing's "auto couplers". Onle have one other Bingtrain with such couplers. 

Bing Milch-wagen with auto coupler

Next- two new pick-ups: Bing New York Central 105 steel-sided coach and a Bing bumper:

Bing NYC 105 and Bing Bumper

Here itis ictured with the Bing 2395 combine of the same color. Unfortunately, a previous owner of the 105 coach removed the trucks and to spraypaint the sides and then must've grinded or sanded off the paint from the wheels. I'd much rather have some trucks with the paint chipping that are properly attached as well as properly colored wheels. But, c'est la vie

Bing steel sided 2395 & 105 med green

Here's the rest of my 8 wheel, New york central steel-sided consist. The green roof on the "Winnebago" coach is obviously repainted. It actually came with the 105 coach but I changed the roofs as I'd prefer the brown roof on the 105. The Lakewood Observation car, ifI recall correctly from something I read, is supposed to have a black roof.Bing Steel Sided Consist

Sorry for this very small picture- I'll try to get a bigger one later. Anyway, I was searching on-line and came across a portion of Roger Carp's 101 Classic Toy Trains: Best of the  Postwar years. #95 on his list were the figures produced by Authenticast and comet-metal products for themselves and for AC Gilbert's American Flyer.To my surprise, I recognized that I had purchased 7 of 10 of the track gang ( see link #95 Authenticast figures) figures and had picked up an8th in a figure grab bag at a show last year. All in great condition. Just missing the figure with a shovel and the figure who appears to be the chief of the track gang. These figures fit really well with modern o-scale figures and have an appropriate height for O-scale.

Flyer track figure set

 

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@Will posted:

What am I looking at here?

@Will you are looking at a Marklin Storchenbein 11111 ( Stork Leg ) loco and tender released by Marklin to commemorate their 140th anniversary in 1999. It's a 1:1 replica of the first model locomotive Marklin made in 1892 ... lovely made model sadly let down by a woeful clockwork mechanism which only propelled it a short distance

I am pretty sure that @Jim Kelly-Evans has converted that one to electric drive as I am sure I have seen him post videos of it running and it was certainly going a LOT better than the miserable factory clockwork

You can see the mind numbing stellar performance in one of Fred's videos of a stock one

 

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@Will you are looking at a Marklin Storchenbein 11111 ( Stork Leg ) loco and tender released by Marklin to commemorate their 140th anniversary in 1999. It's a 1:1 replica of the first model locomotive Marklin made in 1892 ... lovely made model sadly let down by a woeful clockwork mechanism which only propelled it a short distance

I am pretty sure that @Jim Kelly-Evans has converted that one to electric drive as I am sure I have seen him post videos of it running and it was certainly going a LOT better than the miserable factory clockwork

You can see the mind numbing stellar performance in one of Fred's videos of a stock one

 

 

Yikes, I see  that. A real wheezer. Cute loco though.

@Fatman posted:

@Will you are looking at a Marklin Storchenbein 11111 ( Stork Leg ) loco and tender released by Marklin to commemorate their 140th anniversary in 1999. It's a 1:1 replica of the first model locomotive Marklin made in 1892 ... lovely made model sadly let down by a woeful clockwork mechanism which only propelled it a short distance

I am pretty sure that @Jim Kelly-Evans has converted that one to electric drive as I am sure I have seen him post videos of it running and it was certainly going a LOT better than the miserable factory clockwork

You can see the mind numbing stellar performance in one of Fred's videos of a stock one

 

 

It sure runs great for those ten feet though.😂

George

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