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@RickO posted:

Uh oh, looks like these were subbed out to the painters at the Lionel factory.

Just have Harry Heike weather it, you'll never notice.

RickO - Nah, I tend to think that given Lionel's recent quality control issues, MTH would not have subbed out these engines to the painters at the Lionel factory.  Instead my guess is that the same firm that did MTH's 'FURX' engine did THESE engines too, and decided to use the leftover paint from the previous run.  Either that or there was a paint sale over there.  

@Rail Dude posted:

Hard to believe it was as simple as a paint code issue/mistake.

Anyone wonder what the CP's take on this would be?

I’m not trying to be smug in any way, but I have to imagine that the shade of green of an Oscale engine from a dying Oscale company registers on exactly zero radars at Canadian Pacific.

As to the model, it seems like a great candidate for a future release from Atlas or Lionel. It may be worth throwing this fish back and trying to hook one later if one them get the colors right.

I’m not trying to be smug in any way, but I have to imagine that the shade of green of an Oscale engine from a dying Oscale company registers on exactly zero radars at Canadian Pacific.

As to the model, it seems like a great candidate for a future release from Atlas or Lionel. It may be worth throwing this fish back and trying to hook one later if one them get the colors right.

I aggree. It is likely that CP will not allow MTH to catalog any of their locomotives in future MTH catalogs.  😏

About the same as the UP and BNSF for all the fantasy paint jobs Lionel has put on locomotives...

Rusty

I'm sure CP is fine with "non-prototypical" paint schemes from any O gauge manufacture, as long as the paint job doesn't look like it was done with a florescent highlighter! 

But in this case we aren't talking about a "fantasy" locomotive...

Last edited by Madockawando

Yes I have bought this engine also and after I received it was also outraged by both the green and the grey colours they used. Both colours are to light.  It is almost the same as MTH used on the first release of the CNR 6060 steam loco green. It was also way to bright with the colour corrected on later releases. They also did not fade the edges of the camouflage like on the real engine. Almost like they rushed this through production, because the other 3 releases are perfect except for them being on the wrong engine chassis. I through my MTH dealer sent MTH all the info they needed, stressing that they are built on SD9043 chassis and should be using those molds. A quick cash grab by MTH on a hi demand engine paint scheme.
  I don't believe Atlas will be making these at all because they generally build Canadian Pacific engines very accurately, and I don't think they purchased the SD9043 molds from MTH. If they were to continue on the SD70ACe chassis it would be in the trainman line if at all. So Lionel is our only hope , and the CP heritage ones in the last catalog were even stated as fantasy engines by Lionel. the road numbers are totally made up.

Last edited by spiral tunnels

On the commentary about Atlas, I hope they are watching. I assumed (incorrectly) that Atlas could start producing at the MTH factory with little to no concern. That is, they could simply do marketing and sales of products produced from the MTH tooling at the MTH factory. NOT!

This will be a stain on the MTH legacy, if MTH does not step up to the plate and make this right.

As posted on this forum, I've seen a number of bad paint reproductions from Lionel, but this one takes the cake. Worst ever!

Count me in as one of those who has made the biggest MTH (and overall model train) purchase blunder ever. I jumped through a few hoops to get a line on what I thought would be the most attractive of the Military tribute engines, after promising myself I would never buy another MTH Product from a company closing up shop.

Mine has yet to arrive but these pictures are absolutely heartbreaking. What a disaster. I should have listened to my heart in the first place. $600 US down the train! Arghhh !!

@Kyle Miller posted:

Count me in as one of those who has made the biggest MTH (and overall model train) purchase blunder ever. I jumped through a few hoops to get a line on what I thought would be the most attractive of the Military tribute engines, after promising myself I would never buy another MTH Product from a company closing up shop.

Mine has yet to arrive but these pictures are absolutely heartbreaking. What a disaster. I should have listened to my heart in the first place. $600 US down the train! Arghhh !!

Return it and get your money back. You shouldn’t have to pay for something that is so incorrect. We all deal with some issues with small paint discrepancies to get the models we want but this is a big blunder. You shouldn’t accept it if it bothers you.

Thanks @MartyE

Adding further injury to my tale of woe is I'm in Canada, unable to cross the border to pick it up, so  I've had to pay international shipping then import taxes on this thing. Sending it back will be another $70 USD, probably making it $300 extra just for me to open the box long enough to choke on it before sending it back. I'd best head up to the beer store for a 6-pack to drown by sorrows and wash away this pain! I love this hobby

@Kyle Miller posted:

Mine has yet to arrive but these pictures are absolutely heartbreaking. What a disaster. I should have listened to my heart in the first place. $600 US down the train! Arghhh !!

It's not a total loss.  You'll still have a working engine (hopefully).  If it bothers you that much, I suppose you can try to get it repainted.

Last edited by phrankenstign

I initially was kicking myself (very hard I might add) for not pre-ordering one.

However, this paint fiasco and MTH saying "tough noogies" when asked about them taking the shells back for a repaint, proved that lady luck was on my side. I hope the new owner of the mold or the primary  competitor will make a correct version.

Bryce

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