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This weekend (Lake City, SC) will be the first train show I attend where I actually "know" what I'm doing (and I use the word "know" loosely ... I'm still a danger to myself). Oldest kiddo will be tagging along (but he's three, so he won't be in the mood to rummage), so I need to plan acordingly.  I made a "shopping list" which comprises mostly of trucks, wheel sets, tubular track, lock on's, etc that I know I could use/would be great to have on hand.  I figured I wasn't going to buy a locomotive - unless the price was absolutely right, and if I could see it in action - but rolling stock may be in the cards if I find something I absolutely feel I need.

When you go to train shows, what do you look for in particular, and do you have any "rules of engagement" when trying to make a deal? As someone who isn't intimately familar with the hobby, I don't want to get taken for a ride, but likewise I don't want to come to a dealer with an insultingly low offer either.

All thoughts welcome.

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Hi Deuce:

All the train shows in my area will have a test track for all scales.  If the seller has a locomotive you want to purchase, ask the seller if you can take the loco to the Show's Test Track.  If the seller is not interested in having you test the locomotive.  Walk away........

Train Shows always have great "Hot Dogs for Lunch" • New York City Street Water

Gary

First, have an idea of specific items you want to look for.  It's perfectly fine to get there and look at everything, but that can be dangerous if you're just going to find anything (I've done that, and found too many things I wanted badly!)  Going with an objective is sometimes a good thing to do, in that it adds to the thrill of the hunt for what you need.

When you see what you want, find the dealer if he/she isn't right there and ask about it, even general questions about operation, etc.  Sometimes right then they'll see your interest and knock a few dollars off.  If not, it's still easier to work a deal if you've started a conversation about the item.  Found a Flyer O Prewar Hudson and the dealer knocked $100.00 off because we were talking a bit about it and he saw my genuine interest in it.  But that was his call to knock so much off.  Usually I'm offering a little less than the tagged price, in the $5.00 to $10.00 range, depending on price.

To me, from being both a dealer with my father at shows and also as a buyer at shows, working deals goes beautifully with a nice, friendly conversation with the dealer or buyer.  You strike up a rapport and sometimes they'll even keep an eye out for things you've been looking for and hold it for a future show, to see if you want it!

With a 3 year old to manage, I think shopping at the same time will be difficult. You might consider taking help like a wife or grandmother someone that isn't interested in trains themselves.

If you go this alone be prepared for potty accident clean up, have food and drink with you for the youngster and yourself, young children are not really up to cruising  large train shows expect to do a lot of child carrying. The excitement of a child at these shows soon gives way to grumpy exhaustion, you will have to cover the difference a child can't.

Been there, done that. More than once!!!

Bogie

Some very good suggestions so far.  One point I would like to make is about food.  The Greenbergs shows that I have attended, Oaks, Pa., and Edison, N J, have food that I would not feed to pigs !   Add to that ridiculously high prices.  The one show I did attend that had good food at fair prices was, Greenbergs I think , down in Delaware two years ago.

As for bringing your three year old, I'll pray for you.....LOL

Thanks folks for all the advice so far. Fortunately, having lived with my three year old for ... well, his entire life  ... I've come to be a bit familar with his limitations. It's a short drive to the show, and I imagine we'll spend a lot of time looking at the running trains. That will keep his interest for a bit. As we're walking between setup's, I'll have to keep alert for potential buys.  I know I won't be able to delve deep into junk bins or the like, but it is what it is. Show opens at 9, ends at 3. I figure I can get him to last from 10 to 11:30/noon. I'll bring a stroller and hope he nods off ... if so, I'll be good until around 1 to 1:30 which should be enough time for me to hit my list hard.

If there is a riding train at this show, I'll have an even shorter amount of time to shop at the show because that's all he'll talk about and beg me to do ... and once that's done he'll want to leave. 

Asked the wife if she wanted to go, and that was a big no. That's fine ... he and I usually do weekend errand runs (to Home Depot, and the like) where it's our time to hang out. This will be another one of those times. I plan on keeping my expectations low, and my hopes high. I'll report back and let you all know how I fared! Wish me luck!

First, bring cash. Seller's are far more willing to "dicker" for cash.

Second, familiarize yourself with the prices that the items you are looking for are generally going for by checking dealer's on-line and sales prices, e-bay, etc. At least you'll have a general idea of what things go for. I've seen many sellers at train shows asking more than what retail dealers are selling for.

Third, if it's a large enough show (York, Amherst, etc.), print out their diagram of where all the major dealers will be located and plan a route of where you want to start and finish so you're not wasting time. Also, if you see something you might like and want to go back later, make sure you write down where that seller is located. Nothing worse than running around trying to remember which aisle that seller was in.

Fourth, don't be afraid of making too low of an offer or "insulting" a seller - that rarely happens. It's not war out there and I'm always friendly, but you're trying to get something at the best price you can and so is the seller (see #2, above). There's no worse feeling than buying something and then finding out the guy in the next aisle over has the same thing for less money. Since you already have a pretty good idea of what the item should be selling for because you did your homework, I usually start by asking what the seller is asking for the item (even if it's marked) just to get the conversation going. I then typically start talking about the item and saying that his/her figure seems high because (it's old; it's too new; everybody's trying to get rid of them; they produced too many of them ; it's damaged/blemished; they're not popular, etc. - whatever seems right) and tell them I'd be willing to pay $xxxxx for the item, in cash. The $xxxxx figure I start with is generally about 2/3 to 75% of what the seller was asking and possibly less, especially for used and dirty rolling stock. If they agree, we've got a deal. If they say they can't take that amount or go that low, I then ask what the lowest price is they'd be willing to take. If the figure seems right to me, I'll make the deal. If not, I'll tell them I can't pay that much and make another cash offer slightly higher than my first and see what happens. It then goes back and forth on pretty much the same basis until we either get to a deal or not. I also don't nit-pick over a few dollars - it's not going to break me one way or the other, especially if I really want the item. A lot of people don't feel right or adept at "dickering", but it never hurts to try - even in retail store settings, like the big box stores. You'd be amazed on what deals you can get. If it's something you don't feel good at - practice a conversation in your head and start with a seller on something small and get the hang of it. Have fun with it - no pressure. Don't forget - as a buyer, you've got the upper hand - you don't have to buy it and can just walk away - but the seller has to lug it home w/o getting any money if he/she can't make a deal.  

Fifth, don't be afraid to walk away if you can't make a deal. On the other hand, if it's that prized possession you've been looking for and it's reasonably priced try "dickering" and, if it doesn't work out, don't be afraid to buy it.

Just my $ .02  

 

Heck, I loved taking my two boys to shows when they were little. I’d work the tables, they’d work the boxes under the table and find all sorts of cool, cheap stuff. 

I tend to do shows as a reason to leave the house, I go to the train store for specific needs. I just like to wander around and see what attracts me. If I like something, but am unsure of the value, I will scan the table for something I am familiar with, and see how it is priced. If it is way too high, I will usually just walk away. 

 As for negotiating, I am getting better at it. I have followed the American Pickers advice and tried bundling a few times, and had good results. Of course, it pays to be friendly, and not act like you are doing the guy a favor.

RoyBoy posted:

Make sure the little one knows not to grab things off the tables. Some sellers do not like that.

Some sellers don't like it when "big ones" grab things off their table as well.  Always ask before touching anything on a table other than the price tag (which are invariably upside down).

I think everyone else has given you pretty good advice.  

I would add that you might purchase your son the first $2 freight car you see on a table, the earlier in the show, the better.  If you see a seller with one of those "$5 for anything in the box" set ups (be sure to look under tables for these), haggle with the guy, get him down to $2-3, and let your son be the one to pick out the exact item he wants.  The item will then 1) be "his", and 2) be something that he can hold, play with, drop, leave behind, etc. without causing too much of an issue (financial or otherwise).

Most of all, enjoy it.

Steven J. Serenska

banjoflyer posted:
Don't be surprised to find out later that your "treasure" could have been had for less somewhere else. Maybe the next aisle over. That's OK. It happens to everyone. You can try for a "sprint" around the whole show first looking for the best deals but that usually ends up with the best deal being had by another buyer by the time you get back to that table.

This is true!  I've lost more than one item because I decided to "think it over" while I cruised the hall, checking to see what else could be had.  And not just train shows.

I used to sell items at train shows in the past. Some of my suggestions are:

Get there early. I would often sell many items to other dealers before the show would start. I have had other dealers watch over my shoulder I unloaded items. It seems as though many of the best deals go fairly quick.

Be nice. You would be suprised at how many buyers show up with an attitude. I gave a bigger discount to those who were friendly. I agree with a previous post that while it is OK to haggle, I would not make an offer which is insulting to the seller. If you irritate the seller, you are less likely to get the best deal. There were times when I refused to lower my price when the buyer was obnoxious.

Even though I said to get there early, you also may also want to come back later in the day. I had been at shows where the crowds were sparse and the dealers weren't selling enough to pay for their tables. At the end of the day, they were willing to settle for a lower price just to make some money.

If you walk away from an item you like, it may be gone by the time you go back.

Have fun.

 

 

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