GGD Announces 17" Plastic Passenger Cars (Harriman Style)

HI Scott

If you produce these with the Pullman name in Pullman colors , You should be able to sell many of these.  Almost all lines used the Pullman colors as main or fill in coaches .

Please keep us posted ! What would the APPROX cost be for each car ?

I will start saving now for a set ! 

Being a passenger train guy, WOW.

Thanks Scott.

It's in the reservation form and comes out at about $169.00 per car. That's what I think is the going rate for O scale ABS passenger cars with interiors. But GGD's offerings will always excel the the other manufacturers'.

I agree. I would reserve a set today if made.

This is HUGE!  

I can't tell you how excited I am to see these cars being produced!  I've always wanted a nice set and GGD has delivered. 

Myself, I'm ordering UP two tone grey!  Of course, a few extra cars will be part of the order 

One thing I've learned about GGD-you better act fast or you'll be out of luck!

I'm not sure that the Pullman Company ever had any of these "Harriman Style" passenger cars. This would call for some research, right?

Good point. Looking for a set in Pullman Green colors is my main goal.

Love the UP two tone grey. Like to have a set of those.

These are calling me. Has anyone done an SP P-5 pacific? That would be the ticket for these cars, for me anyway.

Pete

Sunset/3rd Rail has already done the SP P9/P10 Pacifies, which are ideal for these cars, especially if you model the late 1940s through the mid 1950s Southern Pacific commute service. After that, these cars will also look fantastic behind SP GP9s, SD9s, and FM Train Masters.

Jack, I am a pre '45 guy. Maybe a P-9 if I can find one in the early paint scheme.

Pete

This is a game changer. Nice job, Scott.

I'm sure if you reserve a set for "SOUTHERN PACIFIC LINES", Scott will be happy to provied that styling, given enough reservations. 

I have on of the Sunset/3rd Rail brass Harriman coaches in the "LINES" lettering, that I use on the rearend of a long PFE reefer train, which is how the SP did things on the coast route, through the early 1950s.

Whew! Thank goodness it isn't another N&W announcement. 

Gilly

Thank you Scott! I've been waiting for a 60' coach for the rear of my coast mail train. I hope you make them post 1946 "Southern Pacific" as well as "Lines".

Nice looking cars from the photos, Scott.  Were these actually heavyweights with four wheel trucks?  Wonder what years in which the prototypes were actually built?  Also, what manufacturer built the Harriman style cars?

Paul Fischer

(Still waiting for that Milwaukee Road 2-6-2!)

Hot is correct - there were no Harriman Pullmans.  SP, at least, would stick a pair of Pullmans at the rear of heavyweight passenger trains.  With air conditioning ducts, the Pullmans almost matched the Harrimans.

but I bet Scott would paint "Pullman" on them if enough orders show up. I am kind of hoping he uses a PSC car to get the correct roof contour.

Scott probably forgot to say - most Harriman coaches do scale outto between 16 and 17", although the diner iscloser to 19 1/2".  That means Hi Railerscan have scale length passenger cars - no compromises.

So far, the P-5 Pacific has not been made in O Scale, to my knowledge.

Here is a P-1.  It is very close to the P-5; the only real difference is valve gear and trailing truck.

@bob2  You're right about the P-5s but these cars will look great behind an MT-4 or MT-5. I could even run them behind my MK-6. How about a "commute" behind an MTH GS-4 Black Daylight? FM Trainmaster?

Beautiful cars.  I hope somebody in our club buys them.  I would REALLY enjoy watching those run on our layout.  

Yes.  In 1950 I rode the Daily Argonaut from Benson to New Orleans.  It was mostly Harriman baggage and coach, but the last two cars were heavyweight Pullmans - Lake Elizabeth and Clover Acres.  Itarrived in Benson with an MT on front, left Lordsburg with a rectangular tender cab forward, and made it over the Huey Long bridge with a set of Alco passenger units.

In later years you could see F-units pulling Harrimans.  They lasted in SFO commute service until the 1980s.

Here is a Pullman analogy, for what it is worth.  Consider the PRR P70 coach series - they never lettered them Pullman.  But PRR did have Pullman heavyweights in the same train with the P70s.  Same thing with Harrimans.

Pullman never had/operated coaches.   Pullman's main business was higher class.   they ran all sorts of sleepers and they ran diners and lounges and obs that had lounges or bedrooms.

Many RR had passenger equipment including coaches painted a dark green (ie Pullman green).    So I think the green is very prototypical depending on RR (not pennsy of course).   But the Pullman lettering should only be first class cars.

Many trains carried both coaches and pullmans.    Only a very few trains such as the Broadway Limited and 20th Century in the east were all pullman.    I think the Santa Fe Super Chief may have been too.   

When both coaches were present, generally (there are always exceptions) the coaches came after head end equipment, then the diner, then the pullmans.    the diner basically separated the second class coach passenger from the first class pullman passengers and the conductors would gently enforce the rule keeping coach passengers from the first class areas.

Growing up in San Francisco this is a nobrainer,I just ordered the SP Green set,now all we need is a SP Pacific like 2472 in Niles Canyon.

Mikey

So, Lionel enters the 85 foot passenger car market typically dominated by GGD and GGD enters the shorter passenger car market that has been the stronghold of MTH, Atlas, and Lionel. Interesting.

Over the years a lot of eastern road modelers have requested "commuter" coaches.

Have you noticed that many eastern roads (Erie, Lackawanna, Reading, etc) will be available in pullman green and these should certainly fill a niche in that market.

Ha Ha...I know right?  Looks really good Scott, thank you.

I think offering shorter passenger cars is a great idea as most of us don't have the room for a layout that can accommodate wider radius curves and full scale equipment.  Which is why my passenger fleet is MTH--they achieved a good compromise between scale and semi-scale with their 18" offerings.

What I would very much like to see are 18" versions of the Pullman-Bradley "American Flyer" cars.  I know Weaver has offered full scale 21" versions of these beauties, but again, too long for my layout, so I have to regretfully pass on them.

As I mentioned above, Sunset/3rd Rail has already produced the Southern Pacific "P8/P9/P10 Class" Pacific models some years ago, equipped with EOB by Train America Studios with TMCC. The show up on "the Bay" fairly often. And yes, the 2472 was produced. 

Long time in coming. Good to see someone take the lead in offering them. MTH, Lionel, Atlas, etc. eat your heart out.

Reserving a IC set today.

Does anyone with some ATSF knowledge know where these types of cars were used? I did a quick internet search and didn't find much. I see they are being made but was wondering how realistic this was. Thanks!

Reserved mine this morning.  Look forward to it.

  Nice to see manufacturers finally using LED lighting.  A great step forward!  These sound like they'll be very nice cars.

I just read this in a post above

When both coaches were present, generally (there are always exceptions) the coaches came after head end equipment, then the diner, then the pullmans.    the diner basically separated the second class coach passenger from the first class pullman passengers and the conductors would gently enforce the rule keeping coach passengers from the first class areas.

This may be a silly question...Does this mean that some trains were made up of 85' cars and 60' cars in a mixed consist?

thanks

Scott,

Could use Southern Pacific baggage car only, not the passenger set.

Any chance they could be separate sale items?

Will the baggage doors open?

Thanks

I also would like the opportunity to buy a single baggage car or RPO as I am not interested in the whole set just those cars.

Yes, they could have been.

The Santa Fe didn't have any Harriman cars.

Rusty

"Could have been?"  It was a very rare heavyweight passenger train where all cars were the same length.  Even some Budd streamliners had shorter baggage cars.  A lot of modelers prefer equal length cars, which is probably why sets are sold in matching lengths.

I had an SP friend who insisted that all box and refrigerator cars be the same height.  He was well aware that that never happened in real life - he just liked it that way.