Hi.  I have had a lionel 224E prewar engine in gunmetal for a while but never was able to find a matching gunmetal lionel 2224W tender.  Apparently, it is very rare.  However, I recently came across a post that stated that there were a lot of variations made in the year leading up to WWII where lionel mixed and matched a bunch of different pieces.  One article suggested that lionel 224's were paired with 2666 tenders.  I found a gunmetal grey 2666T tender, but I have not been able to find any documentation to suggest whether there ever was a gunmetal version of that car or if what I found is just a respray over a black tender.  Any help on this would be appreciated.

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Most of the 1938-only 224E & all of the 1666E sets came with the gunmetal 2689.  It's doubtful Lionel would have made a run of gunmetal 2666s after production of the black ones started & continued up to the war.

Rob

ADCX Rob posted:

Most of the 1938-only 224E & all of the 1666E sets came with the gunmetal 2689.  It's doubtful Lionel would have made a run of gunmetal 2666s after production of the black ones started & continued up to the war.

So was the only prewar o scale tender in gunmetal color the diecast 2224w?  I am aware of the sheetmetal gunmetal tenders like the 2225, but those are not even close to scale. 

mongo6407 posted:
ADCX Rob posted:

Most of the 1938-only 224E & all of the 1666E sets came with the gunmetal 2689.  It's doubtful Lionel would have made a run of gunmetal 2666s after production of the black ones started & continued up to the war.

So was the only prewar o scale tender in gunmetal color the diecast 2224w?  I am aware of the sheetmetal gunmetal tenders like the 2225, but those are not even close to scale. 

Their are others... the gunmetal 225E came with a 2225W or 2235W tender, the gunmetal 763 came with a 2263W or 263W oil tender or 2226W coal tender.

Rob

The 2224T/2224W were Gun Metal for 1 year only, in 1939. In 1940, they were all black tenders.  The other gun metal tenders used, do not fit your criteria, (1689/2689’s).  The one year only issue makes them scarce & hard to find.

TeleDoc posted:

The 2224T/2224W were Gun Metal for 1 year only, in 1939. In 1940, they were all black tenders.  The other gun metal tenders used, do not fit your criteria, (1689/2689’s).  The one year only issue makes them scarce & hard to find.

Thanks.  So the consensus is that the one I found is not a real variation.  Does anyone have a suggestion on where to find a real gunmetal 2224w?

mongo6407 posted:

Thanks.  So the consensus is that the one I found is not a real variation.  Does anyone have a suggestion on where to find a real gunmetal 2224w?

Auctions and places like York PA.  This is a tough one. Been looking for 5-6 years now pretty hard, and have found 3, but condition or price kept me from acquiring, they are pricey buggers in C7-C8 condition.

Prewar Tin...Any maker, any gauge, anytime!

what exactly is the Lionel "gunmetal" finish? Is it paint over a regular casting? I rarely see one that looks good they seem to always have this rough worn appearance unless I am just seeing bad examples. 

Pre/Post war is the way to go!

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