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First post. Nice to be here, and thanks for letting me on your forum. I have my dad's old Lionel trains, plus a bunch of MTH. I'm half-way through a 10x16 Big City Skyscraper layout with double elevated subway loop and slot car highway underneath. I could use some guidance on how to light all the buildings. I suspect I went about this the wrong way, but the buildings are up and I'm hoping I can remove the smaller ones to wire 'em up and work on the big ones where they stand. Power is two ZWs (275w ea) and a KW (190w). Seems like that should be more than enough to run two engines plus 60-70 buildings. What kind of little LED bulbs should I be using, should I get the reels of LED strip lights, and is there a simple schematic that could spread out the electrical burden across the transformers so I don't burn the house down? And is there a simpler way to do all of this? I can't find any LED bulbs pre-wired with longer than an 8" lead. I appreciate any guidance you can give me.IMG_5985IMG_5986IMG_5987IMG_5988IMG_5989

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check out evans design it is listed in the scenery source list or google it.  all kinds of leds and accessories. he definitely has longer leads if u want them.   i have used lots of his products i power most of the leds with 12v power supply(s) from them. don’t worry about much load leds take almost no power. might have to get creative on adding leds it’s much harder after the buildings are built.

Hi Mark- welcome to the forum. Great looking layout. I agree that LED strips or strings would be your best option at this point. Check out Evan's Designs for sure and also look at 12v strips (tape light). They typically come in long flexible tape. Most can be cut to various lengths (groups of three typically) Make sure you get warm white, not cool. They will look more realistic.

I would recommend a separate DC power supply to run all of it. It will be easier than using the AC from the transformers.

Keep the pix coming as you make progress.

Bob

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I use these for variable DC voltage from AC.  They are "rated" at 2 to 3 amps, but in reality, about half of that is the practical maximum.  If you look around on eBay or places like AliExpress, BangGood, etc. you can usually find them or similar units for less than $5/ea.

Be sure you check the ratings, many of the hits on a search will be 110/220 input modules, that's not what you want!

Search for ac-dc power supply buck converter step down module.

Here's a couple of the styles I've personally used, each of these have similar capabilities.

2Pcs AC/DC to DC Step Down Buck Converter AC 5-30V DC 5-48V 24V 36V 48V to DC 2.5-35V 12V Voltage Regulator Board 2A

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@third rail posted:

I'm using battery-powered LED Christmas lights for my large buildings.  They come in strands of 10 to 50 lights. Pull off the battery pack, add wire to lengthen the leads, then connect them to a buck converter.  Set the voltage for 3 -4.5 volts and attach to a power supply.

That is a great idea, Bill!  I love the Christmas lights.  I have been looking for 4.5 volt lights because I made a transformer (from tips on this forum) for my Menards' buildings.  I've also been playing around with the 12 volt led strips mentioned above.  You can paint the bulbs to tone them down.

Markf, I also would suggest O Gauge RR magazines' video, Great Layouts Volume 11.  Bill Bramlage’s city layout is featured and he talks about tower kits (kid's toy set) that look like the tops of your unfinished buildings,  how to get them and light them.  I bought a kit on Ebay and it is in my pile of "to do" stuff to build.  Even if you don't use his lighting ideas he has the most awesome city scene ever and your city is very cool and could use his tips.

Love your city buildings!  Do share photos as you fine tune it.

Mike

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I recognize the tall white building (American Skyline) in the center and had one (or more) of their kits as a kid, my only complaint about them is that they are smaller than 1/4".

Is the red-frame one a Kenner Girder and Panel? I had them too, and they are 1/4".

Some really impressive building could be built with either of those as you have shown.

What are the sources of the other tall ones? TIA

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Definitely go with a separate DC power pack, perhaps even a Throttle Pack if it will work.  It would be nice to be able to adjust the brightness of the lights with a simple throttle, if that works.

Mannyrock

They also make a breakout board that has an adjustable voltage along with the fixed voltage terminals.

Adjustable ATX Brakout board

John

Amazon also carries these.

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Thank you so much for all of the replies. It's a little overwhelming, frankly, since I am not good at the electrical part. But it's also forced me to whittle down my questions to be more specific.

First, to answer one of the questions about what type of buildings they are: A combination of stacked MTH, Girder & Panel (1/87, but just enlarge the entrances and build them taller), American Skyline, Arkitex (1/42), Tiny (1/64 but just build them taller), and Magnuson Models. I'd be lying if I said living in midtown Manhattan for 20 years was the only reason for a skyscraper layout; I also saw Alan Arnold's unbelievable layout more than a decade ago and I've been stockpiling building kits ever since.

The Elevated subway is my concoction of 100-year-old Erector Set girders, square dowels from Lowe's, small screws from a local screw specialist, literally), foil tape, silver spraypaint, and wood stain to mimic rust.

Highway under the Elevated system is mostly Atlas O track in 054 and 045, with 1/32 Scalextric R4 slot car track running 1960s 1/43 Motorific cars. The wider 1/32 slot car track looks way more realistic for the O-size cars. I got very lucky that the radius of the R4 Scalextric slot car track (their widest) matched the radius of the Atlas 045/054 rails above.

My remaining questions:

1) What voltage of LED bulbs do you recommend to light the buildings, if I'm gonna power them with my Lionel ZW transformers? Years ago, in my older layout, someone helped me hook them up to the ZW and its levers served as good "dimmers", with nothing ever burning out. I can't remember the bulb voltage, and I doubt he would either.

2) Considering that I have about 70 buildings, can I just hook up the lights down through the building to one or more terminal boards underneath, and then just wire the terminal boards to the back of the transformer? Is it that simple? I've heard there are pre-wired LED bulbs that are all ready to use with the Lionel ZW (as in, they've been converted to the right type of AC/DC power?)

That's it! Thank you again if you have answers to the above questions, and in return for your advice, here's some additional64348436938__965CCBFD-2E3B-4107-AB75-B09149A940ACIMG_0067IMG_0159 pics of the various stages so far.

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  • 64348436938__965CCBFD-2E3B-4107-AB75-B09149A940AC: Some of the post civil war cast iron facade buildings
  • IMG_0067: Elevated subway work
  • IMG_0078: Testing radius/fit of slot car track
  • IMG_0159: Trying to master rust...
  • IMG_2172: American Skyline building in progress
  • IMG_2461: Side view of layout
  • IMG_2547: Working on Chinatown
  • IMG_3077: Custom framework to support an extended MTH bridge
  • IMG_5112: Combo G & P building
  • IMG_5410: Different angle
  • IMG_3442: Beginnings of Monorail line

I used evans LED's. Some come with the resister included which makes it easier to go from 14v down to the 3-5 volts the LED's need. I have a dedicated MTH Z1000 14 volt transformer for accessories. Transformer is wired to a distribution block which feeds switches etc. I have a smaller distribution block,  fed by the larger block, that I have my LED's running into. I just used small 28 guage wire running from the distribution block to the LED's. I have relays and switches in between to turn the different sets of lights on and off.

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