Help Identifying These MTH F Units/Set

I have a feeling that they are older? I looked but the number of the 2000 set didn't match. That maybe an error.

https://mthtrains.com/20-2218-1

Any more info? where are they listed?

I agree you you and Joe.  The 20-2696 doesn’t have the trainphone antenna.  It would have been better if the seller had posted the end label of the box instead of a cutout of an MTH box top.  Odd  Aside from being filthy, it looks good.  Was there ever a PS1 version of this locomotive?

They have it listed with the box with the same model number listed above and PS2 on the label. I have an odd feeling that it is the wrong box and the seller can't tell the difference or is being untruthful. I will try to get a pic of the label.

I have the feeling it is a PS1 set. He was asking $300 for it...

Tom

Krieglok posted:

They have it listed with the box with the same model number listed above and PS2 on the label. I have an odd feeling that it is the wrong box and the seller can't tell the difference or is being untruthful. I will try to get a pic of the label.

I have the feeling it is a PS1 set. He was asking $300 for it...

Tom

I'm not sure about the diesel sets but the PS1 steamers have only four wires and pins in the tethers. So maybe you could look at that?

I would have guessed it was older and maybe the PS2 5 volt or even older?

Maybe someone like prrhorseshoecurve will see this and comment? I believe Mark may know.

the PS1 set doesn't match

https://mthtrains.com/20-2054-1

nothing matches... so? custom number/ paint or cat mix up?

https://mthtrains.com/prod-sea..._product_line%3A3934

20-2696-1 on MTH's web site looks like an early F3 (high fans, chicken wire) with PS2, while the picture above looks like a late F3/F7 (low fans, stainless grill).  Cab numbers in the catalog are different too.

Did a google search and could not find any F3 in O with a cab #9680, although a Williams F3 instruction manual kept coming up.  I did find an MTH HO model of an F3 that had #9680.

Anyway, unless MTH did a major change between the catalog graphics and production, these engines are not 20-2696. 

Maybe old Weavers with PS1??

OK. I have the First DLGE PS1 F3 A-B-A set. I don't have the units or the box in front of me right now but I have a picture of them.

The unit numbers are #9546A & 9548A

Sorry but I can't make out the B unit #

They have NO Trainphone Antenna or Windshield Wipers 

They do have the red [Slave unit] and green [Powered unit] marker light bulbs on the nose above the number boards.

The number board fonts are small just like in the photo.

Except for the cab numbers,   these are a dead ringer for MTH 20-2648-1,  Pennsy F7 ABA from 2006 Vol 1 catalog.    Maybe MTH changed the cab numbers for the production run instead of what was shown in the catalog.   They have done that numerous times before.

Nick  

What is the cab number on the B unit?

9670B? maybe, very small in the pic

These F3 units are the later PS2 with a 3V board. They have the more detailed Blomberg trucks with brake piping and separate spring hangers. Also, green marker lights on the powered A unit and red markers on the slave unit. PS1 units did not have this level of "road specific" detail such as the Pennsy trainphone antenna.  

Thanks everyone for the clues. I cannot lay my hands on them just yet, but here is the box shot the seller sent me. I am thinking possibly the wrong box but with a PS2 3v set judging by the input here. I hope to get a "in person" look at them later today....

Tom

I’m sure you will let know, but from the pictures they look very nice.  With some grease, oil and an exterior cleaning they should be good to go.

Good luck

Thanks! I look forward to solving the mystery...and hopefully getting some new(used) F units!

Tom

https://mthtrains.com/prod-sea...ield_roadname%3A3430

The boxflap clearly shows ps2.0 and emblem.

any charging port? what shape is it?

DCC/DCS switch? polarity switch?

https://mthtrains.com/20-2648-1 or uncatalogued???

Well, looking at them in person, they are PS 2 with 3volt boards. There is a MTH manual in the box for "Scale F3/F7 ABA Diesel Engine".

not much else to go on. I was elated when I found a piece of paper with a MTH number in the box....It was for an Amtrak P42. Dead end.

definitly the wrong box as the styrofoam was hand cut inside to make room for the train phone antenna. 

A few problems with the set. A couple of broken antenna brackets, the smoke unit and red markers not working on the secondary A unit. Stuff I can fix...

Tom