and save three steam engines from the torch, what would they be?
My picks would be:
New York Central Hudson (it could be any one of them, J1, J3, streamlined or non)
PRR J1 Texas
Northern Pacific Z6 Challenger
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and save three steam engines from the torch, what would they be?
My picks would be:
New York Central Hudson (it could be any one of them, J1, J3, streamlined or non)
PRR J1 Texas
Northern Pacific Z6 Challenger
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Illinois Central 4-6-0 382
B&O 0-4-0T Dockside 98
Santa Fe "Blue Goose" 4-6-4 3460
Rusty
1) Southern Pacific MT-4/MT-5 4-8-2
2) Southern Pacific AC-9 2-8-8-4 (NOT a cab forward)
3) NYC Niagara 4-8-4
4) NYC Hudson
PRR J1a 2-10-4
PRR t1 4-4-6-4
PRR Q2 4-4-6-4
NYC J-3
Milwaukee Road streamlined F-7 hudson
PRR S-2 Turbine
Ok, I will play:
CB&Q Elesco FWH M4a 2-10-4
Canadian National 4-6-4
D&RGW M68 4-8-4
D&RGW L105 4-6-6-4
This should keep whoever will be doing this work quite busy for a while !!
PRR 9669, aka OR&W 5 (I think it was Second 5, anyway)
B&O EM-1 7600
A NYC Hudson, not sure which one would be best
Reading K-1 2-10-2
Record-setting Atlantic City Railroad Camelback 4-4-2 No. 1027
CNJ Camelback 4-6-0 No. 774
A NYC Hudson has been mentioned so I'll add the first Niagara, No. 6000
and save three steam engines from the torch, what would they be?
...as long as we're just talking about steam engines...
the one George Corliss built for the 1876 Philadelphia Centennial Exhibition. seventy feet tall with a 56 ton flywheel, its 1400 hp output powered the entire exhibition hall continuously for six months. George Pullman eventually bought it and shipped it to his factory where it ran for the next 30 years until sold for scrap at $8/ton.
NYC Dreyfuss Hudson (20th Century Limited)
NYC Dreyfuss Hudson (Empire State Express)
NYC Hudson J3a
As many Mason Bogies as possible.
B&O EM1 2-8-8-4
Western Maryland Class I-2 2-10-0 OR Class H-9 2-8-0
Cumberland & Pennsylvania 2-8-0 #32, built 1910 at C&Ps Mt. Savage,MD. shops, sold to the Winchester & Western in Gore,VA,in 1945, scrapped 1953. Could have been only survivor of over 30 built by that shop for the C&P.
Niagara
J-3A Hudson
J-3A Dreyfuss Hudson
J-1 Hudson
B&O EM-1
PRR T1 4-4-4-4
PRR Q2 4-4-6-4
I carefully considered this, and then I got carried away and went to seven....they are in order
I think that the western roads made out fairly well in terms of notable designs that were saved, especially UP and ATSF. So my list is oriented to eastern steam.
Any reasonable list has to include these!
The B&O EM1 is a must...and would have been saved but for a beaurocratic snafu ! Next up is the always popular PRR J1, a mill that would have been saved if the museum in Worthington , Ohio had possessed a larger facility. And the all time champ for engines that should have been saved....NYCS Hudson 5344 J1e ! Sad truth is we could have had any of a large number of Central Hudsons, but failed to act collectively. I can also appreciate a large number of the other choices listed above, but we are limited to three chooches !
I'll throw my hat in the ring for a NYC J3a.
Sandy River & Rangeley Lakes 24
One of the small Pere Marquette Belpaire firebox steamers from the early 1900's.
Jeff C
Overland Flyer: That Corliss Engine reminds me of one of the Gilbert Erector set models from way back - probably where they got the inspiration. I would have loved seeing it in operation. I wonder if there could have been any film made of it in the 1890's?
Here's my three four: the PRR S-1 6-4-4-6 Duplex, the PRR S-2 Turbine, the NYC Hudson #5433 (of course), and just for fun, another vote for the B&O Docksider.
There were six J-1 Hudsons scrapped in Erie, PA. I was told by the yard manager at Luria brothers that the price paid for ALL SIX engines was $10,000. Who among us wouldn't pony up the $1600, even inflated to todays dollars, for a NYC Hudson. The engines were scrapped in 1956.
I once had a conversation with a Civil Engineering guy who worked for NYC and was a "steam man". He was told upon visiting Airline Junction (Toledo) that an operable J-3A could be bought for $8,000.
Anything Lehigh Valley
Crusader
J3a
C&O M-1 turbine
Heres my picks a sal 4-8-2 m2 mountain oil burner steamer.The rf&p 4-8-4 steamer and a ic 4-8-2.
I know there are a few already saved, but the more the merrier:
1)PRR B6 steam switcher
2)PRR A5 steam switcher
Tie for #3)PRR GG1/New York Central S motor
Tom
Here are my 3 choo choo picks:
B&O EM - 1
B&O 0-8-8-0 ( Old Maude )
NYC Dreyfus Hudson
ATSF 3460
PRR 6200 (S2 Turbine for you non-SPF's)
CNW 3018 (H1 Northern) Was going back and forth between this one and a Yellow Jacket Pacific.
1. NYC Dreyfuss
2. RFP Berkshire
3. Milwaukee Road Hiawatha Hudson
Honorable Mention: 1 of Each Pennsylvania Railroad Steamers for the Pennsylvania guys
NYO&W Light or Heavy 4-8-2 Mountains
Southern Pacific MT4 or MT5 4-8-2
NYC Niagara 4-8-4
My 3
Cincinnati Lebanon and Northern no.17
a Southern Rwy PS-4 pacific
Nickle Plate Hudson
The last version of the New York Central Hudson, the light UP challenger( only the heavy version has survived), old Maude the first big 0-6-6-0 articulated steamer, The Seagulls (Edward from the Railway series), and the Ghost the first engine built in the UK to run on subways lines.
Southern Ry Ms-4...Heavy Mikado.
Southern Ry 4-6-0..Tenwheeler.
Southern Ry Ls-2....Mallet 2-8-8-2.
Old Maude was an 0-6-6-0...the first Mallet in the US. As for the Hudson info posted by "Hudson", That lines up nearly to the nickel to what I've heard....talk about infamy! Same short-sighted (or worse) #@$%^*& ! stuff still goes on today, thanks to the lack of commitment, and above all - communication !
Reading Crusader
PRR GG-1(operational, not a static museum piece)
Reading Crusader Hurray!
PRR GG-1(operational, not a static museum piece)
Ohhh ..to bad you lose !
Disqualified for lack of steam.
(heat don't count )
What?....
Do you really think I wanted to leave a moving GG1 off the top of that list?
If I could yurn back time, I would go back to July 1, 1989 as the center gun on the Mighty Mo!
Larry
Overland Flyer's Corliss machine brings to mind that 3 Corliss steam engines have been preserved at the Old Threshers Reunion facilities in Mt. Pleasant, IA. They functioned for long periods of time as municipal water pumps. As I recall, the big flywheels made them semi-perpetual motion machines, perfect for constant demand utility work.
I know there are a few already saved, but the more the merrier:
1)PRR B6 steam switcher
2)PRR A5 steam switcher
Tie for #3)PRR GG1/New York Central S motor
Tom
#1 has does live here (well, a B4 anyways).....
Personally, I wish they saved a couple more PRR K4's so we could actually see one running today!
Nice looking locomotive. Thanks for posting that. I was not aware of it.
Tom
Hmmn...
1) Western Maryland I-2 2-10-0.
2) Chesapeake & Ohio T-1 2-10-4.
3) Reading G-3 4-6-2.
WM M2 4-6-6-4 1204
WM K2 4-6-2 208
WM I2 2-10-0 1111
Anything from the DL&W, as there is just one little steam engine left, to my knowledge - at Steamtown the last I knew.
N&W K2a Cab#137
N&W Y6b Cab#2200
N&W S1a Cab#244
This really isn't a fair question. If you asked for "30", great locomotives would still be left off the list. I only picked these three because they were the final of each class and none of their class survived. (Yes, I know about the 2156 Y6a, but it ain't a "b")
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