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Today mark's 2 day's till York week.

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Any word on changes regarding opening to the public on Saturday?  I'll be long gone by then, but am curious as I hope that the meet can be revitalized.  

I keep hearing rumors of "big changes", but haven't seen any reliable information.  (Yes, I'm asking the OGR forum for "reliable information".  Hey, it COULD happen.)

Due to dissatisfaction on the part of the manufacturers and larger dealers regarding the lack of new blood at York, I've heard from several dealers that the Orange (and Purple?) halls will be open to the general public (no TCA signup or guest sponsorship required) on Saturday.  However, I'm still waiting to hear reliable details regarding this.  

It's gonna happen, it's just a matter of when and how.

Mallard4468 posted:

Due to dissatisfaction on the part of the manufacturers and larger dealers regarding the lack of new blood at York, I've heard from several dealers that the Orange (and Purple?) halls will be open to the general public (no TCA signup or guest sponsorship required) on Saturday.  However, I'm still waiting to hear reliable details regarding this.  

It's gonna happen, it's just a matter of when and how.

It's not going to happen without the PA Dept of Revenue changing the special agreements they have had with the Eastern Division since the mid 1980s.  At that time the agreement was TCA members only with Dealers only collecting sales tax and separated in different  halls than the Member Halls.  Change the meet by allowing the public in and the Dept of Revenue would likely force sales tax to be collected in the Member Halls too.  Would the members in those four halls go for that?

Besides, where is this "public" going to come from?  Philly (2 hrs), Pittsburg (3.5 hrs), Baltimore (1 hr).  I don't see the "public" coming from those distances for a Saturday event where the dealers are itching to leave at noon.

 

Moonson posted:
Joe Hohmann posted:

The Orange Hall is already open to the public...every January. It's called Greenberg at York.

Hi Joe, if you had occasion to personally observe such an event, who would you estimate was that "public."

Frank

I attended it twice, back when I was attending every show within a 2-hour drive. It was the typical Greenberg turn-out...many families with kids for a "day out". Not the long line at the opening like some shows. There was a interesting "O" modular layout...smallish in size, but set up and run by only 2 guys. I think the show took up 3/4 of the Orange Hall (typical Greenberg size).

It's hard to judge what the "public" was made of except how much was sold, not counting "Thomas" stuff. A show like "World's Greatest Hobby" has very little for sale for serious train buffs, and, according to dealers I spoke with, "Thomas" was the only thing selling at the Philadelphia show.

Joe Hohmann posted:
Moonson posted:
Joe Hohmann posted:

The Orange Hall is already open to the public...every January. It's called Greenberg at York.

Hi Joe, if you had occasion to personally observe such an event, who would you estimate was that "public."

Frank

I attended it twice, back when I was attending every show within a 2-hour drive. It was the typical Greenberg turn-out...many families with kids for a "day out". Not the long line at the opening like some shows. There was a interesting "O" modular layout...smallish in size, but set up and run by only 2 guys. I think the show took up 3/4 of the Orange Hall (typical Greenberg size).

It's hard to judge what the "public" was made of except how much was sold, not counting "Thomas" stuff. A show like "World's Greatest Hobby" has very little for sale for serious train buffs, and, according to dealers I spoke with, "Thomas" was the only thing selling at the Philadelphia show.

So, a goodly number of tourists out for a stroll, then, at the museum, as it were; not exactly a packages-flying-out-the-door type of event?

I wonder if Scenic Express is there, which I would consider an important indicator of retailing possibilities.

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Traindiesel posted:

Got the hotel secured tonight for Wednesday night through Saturday.  Badges will arrive shortly, all I need to do is pack and gas up the transporter to be ready to enter The Vortex of Fantasy  that is the York Meet!

I guess you'll be skipping the Flyers' home opener as well on Thursday??

My son (14) is none too happy about that but in his own words "missing opening night is ok but if you try this in April and we miss a playoff game I will become a proverbial problem teenager"....lol

- Greg

 

Greg, it's funny you mentioned that.  We just ordered our Flyers partial season plan and it included the home opener on Thursday night during the York Meet.  One year we had the same issue during the playoffs at an April Meet Thursday.  But since we'll be at York all three days, we'll do like we did then.  We'll exit the Fairgrounds about 5pm on Thursday and drive to the game and return to our hotel in York after the game.  And we'll be back in the halls first thing Friday morning!

LET'S GO FLYERS !!!!!

A true fan indeed!!!  We'll miss you at dinner Thursday - gonna be a long day for you but definately a lot of fun!   I'll at least bring my jersey to wear while watching the game as I was surprised at the number of hockey jerseys I saw there in April.    It was fun at least watching the game at the bar even though they lost.  

-- Greg

 

Greg Houser posted:

A true fan indeed!!!  We'll miss you at dinner Thursday - gonna be a long day for you but definately a lot of fun!   I'll at least bring my jersey to wear while watching the game as I was surprised at the number of hockey jerseys I saw there in April.    It was fun at least watching the game at the bar even though they lost.  

-- Greg

Greg, we ordered out Flyers 50th Anniversary jerseys the other day.  We'll be wearing them on Thursday at the Meet!

This thread is a real bummer.  I'm a 10 yr old kid again anxiously awaiting Christmas Day and my parents break out the annual Advent calendar with 4 weeks to go until the big day.   The opening of each day's calendar only goes to sloooowwww to an agonizing pace the inevitable countdown to the big day.  For all that is holy in traindom will someone please delete this thread so time can begin moving quickly???

- Greg

Moon posted:
New to TCA this year and going back for my 2nd York - pre-registered. Love being able to see so much in one place.

"Moon" is clearly a troll and should be banned from the forum.  He claims to be a new TCA member, and his post does not contain any complaints.  I've been reading the York and TCA threads for long enough to know that anyone who does those things can't be a real O-gauge guy.

I swear on the Holy Bible I'm not being paid by anyone to say these nice things. But, seeing as how the only lines I have are Polar Express, Polar Railroad and North Pole Central, the part about not being a real O-gauger is probably accurate. That being said, how is this for troll-dom...bringing my wife this time, have reservations at the Red Caboose Motel on the way in, breakfast at the Casey Jones Restaurant, scheduled 1st trip to the National Toy Train Museum, and penciled in time for the Choo Choo Barn before heading off to York. I'm all in on this stuff that I never heard of until I joined the forum.

Still, if I start a thread with a product critique of the new Polar Express Elves Figure Pack when it comes out, you may want to re-open the discussion for a ban.

RaritanRiverRailroadFan4 posted:

As soon as York is over someone will make a post about the next 364 day wait. Ah well. As long as I find a postwar LV 44 Tonner I'm happy.

You're probably right (which I have no problem with since I feel the same way as the guys who post how many days until the next York) but the days never go up to 364 because we have the pleasure (at least for now) of going to York twice a year. 

Moon posted:

I swear on the Holy Bible I'm not being paid by anyone to say these nice things. But, seeing as how the only lines I have are Polar Express, Polar Railroad and North Pole Central, the part about not being a real O-gauger is probably accurate. That being said, how is this for troll-dom...bringing my wife this time, have reservations at the Red Caboose Motel on the way in, breakfast at the Casey Jones Restaurant, scheduled 1st trip to the National Toy Train Museum, and penciled in time for the Choo Choo Barn before heading off to York. I'm all in on this stuff that I never heard of until I joined the forum.

Still, if I start a thread with a product critique of the new Polar Express Elves Figure Pack when it comes out, you may want to re-open the discussion for a ban.

The TCA museum is a jewel, and ditto for the Choo Choo Barn (ask for TCA discount).  While you're there, try to make time for the Pennsylvania RR museum (it's one of the best) and a ride on the Strasburg Railroad.

Make sure you bring cash to York and have plenty of room in your trunk.  And if you see something you want and the price looks good, buy it - if you "think about it", it will be gone when you come back.

And look up Clem's York Primer on the TCA website.

Moon posted:

I swear on the Holy Bible I'm not being paid by anyone to say these nice things. But, seeing as how the only lines I have are Polar Express, Polar Railroad and North Pole Central, the part about not being a real O-gauger is probably accurate. That being said, how is this for troll-dom...bringing my wife this time, have reservations at the Red Caboose Motel on the way in, breakfast at the Casey Jones Restaurant, scheduled 1st trip to the National Toy Train Museum, and penciled in time for the Choo Choo Barn before heading off to York. I'm all in on this stuff that I never heard of until I joined the forum.

Still, if I start a thread with a product critique of the new Polar Express Elves Figure Pack when it comes out, you may want to re-open the discussion for a ban.

Sounds like you are a "real" O Gauger/train nut to me. Have fun, try to visit the PRR Museum (across the road from the Strasburg RR), and pick out some nice train stuff to give your wife at Christmas.

Farmer_Bill posted:

Looking forward to it.  Was noticing that my hotel reservation, made quite some time ago, cost is up quite a bit from prior years.   Less $$ for trains and beer. 

There may be hope for next time.  While planning ahead for April 2017, I found rooms at one of the well known York bandit meet motels for $60/night (including taxes) if I was willing to pay now - non-refundable.  Opted to pay $10 more per night for a refundable reservation.

I remember the days when you had to reserve a room a year in advance.     

Regarding I-83:

"A project to improve safety at the PA 124/Mount Rose interchange (Exit 18) in York began in 2012.  Work will entail widening and rebuilding sections of Interstate 83, PA 124, Camp Betty Washington Road, Haines Road, and Green Hill Road, reconfiguring the interchange itself, construction of four new bridges, replacing and widening three exiting bridges, widening of three existing box culverts, construction of a new box culvert, and installation of two new sound walls.  New traffic signals will be installed at six intersections, updated drainage and guiderails, signing and pavement markings, and new highway lighting round out the $58.3 million project which is projected to conclude in Summer 2018."

http://www.pahighways.com/interstates/I83.html

Alright Eddie. It is EARLY Saturday morning and you are either on your way or getting ready to get on you way. Safe travels.

As someone who grew up in the Philly area, you need to take the approach that Atlantic City took in the 1960's (and probably most other times prior to Casinos) that the weather is NEVER really bad. It can be partly cloudy, overcast, a slight chance of light rain, etc. Any of those weather reports were considered accurate, short of an actual hurricane. In fact, the weather right now appears to be pretty good but somewhat split. Very warm the beginning of the week and getting cooler with a slight chance of rain near the end. No matter what, ENJOY YOURSELF.

Gerry    

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