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So I've already melted a red in post cover on the TIU. So before I mess anything else up, can someone please help me finish this wiring diagram? I have Lionel Legacy working perfectly with two 180w Powerhouses into a Legacy Powermaster 360. I am able to run legacy and conventional with the flip of a switch. I have a Ser2 and all other items in this diagram. 

My question is what sort of chokes (what is a choke?) and fuses or other specialty items do i need and where do they go. This is a partial wiring diagram i am building. I have Barry's book and it is a greeat book. Just not sure how to get it fully implemented. Do i use a wall wart for the TIU power and wire it passively? Etc. Etc.

Here is the diagram i am making.

No damage besides the melted cap on the TIU. The wires from the TIU are left unattached until i know where to put them and what else i need to add.

 

Thanks for any and all help!

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So I've already melted a red in post cover on the TIU. So before I mess anything else up,....

I think I understand what you meant here? (a red in post cover on....)

The usual problem when the post gets melted, is from it becoming loose. You need to go inside and make sure your posts are tight.

IMO: Arcing when drawing good amount of power can melt most anything. You have to cure the arcing immediately!

There are 2 ways of connecting DCS and as you stated, passive wiring is one of them. It's better in that you don't draw higher power thru the TIU.

Cap Pilot has a diagram where he added DCS passively with a choke that is needed to obtain the best signal. It's in a post about adding DCS to TMCC layouts.

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...hat-will-work-for-me

 

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TVS, PSX, fast blow fuses, etc. are all devices to protect your trains and electronic equipment from damage in the event of a short or other electrical malfunction. They work in different ways and may be designed to protect different equipment in different ways.

I would get the system up and running properly first and then think about where and what to add for protective devices. A properly set-up system should not require those devices, except possibly the choke, to get up and running correctly. And, certainly, a TIU post should not melt with a properly wired system (even w/o any protection) unless, as Joe said, it was caused by arcing from a loose post connection.

So, are you asking for information about how to get the system up and running or where in the wiring diagram and what protective devices to add, or both ?

 

 

First off, if you're pushing 20 amps through a TIU channel, you are going to have a lot more problems than a terminal melting on the TIU!  The channels are designed for 10 amps MAXIMUM.

My personal opinion is I never put more than 10 amps on a given power district.  For O-scale stuff, this should be more than sufficient.  Are you running conventional engines?  If not, why the PowerMaster?

To be clear, the plastic cap is what melts when the post overheats. The usual problem is from it being loose. To tighten it, you have to tighten the nut inside. One great work around in the future after making sure they're tight, is to use banana plugs.

You can reduce available amperage per TIU channel, by placing a 10amp auto blade fuse inline before each TIU channel. They'll pop before the channel gets overpowered. If you are drawing more than ten amps per channel, you want to use the TIU passively. Some people use other protection that resets without having to change the fuse. 

You can rewire so that you spread the draw thru more TIU channels. That requires more thought on keeping the amps lower per channel. You divide the loops into blocks that each have separate power districts.

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