Lionel 2012 Catalog

http://hobbystation.net/lionel...steamengine1135.aspx

This price is temping me ... I know 1k is alot but i paided 1500 for my challenger...

A bunch of the same Mikados with different paint schemes.... They must not pay attention to the forums because everyone keeps asking for a heavy. A heavy mikado with a moving bell would be a must have by a lot of people...

I hope we see some legacy rolling stock. Is the vision line offerings gone forever?

MARCH 16th ? Today is March 9th.  I've seen that since March 5th !    148th

Yes, but those posts were made 10/9/2011.

This thread was recently resurrected, but started last year.....

I can understand what they are doing though: they have the light Mikado in production, with a company set up to supply them, etc.: while that's all done, run off all the road names, etc., you can sell.  

After they run through the cycle with this they will move on to something else.  Whether that is a heavy Mikado or something else, who knows?  But Lionel does seem to be listening and making efforts to improve, so I expect they will get to it soon. 

And yes, a heavy Mikado with a swinging bell would be a must have, definately.

By the way, what surprises my most is that there are so few comments about the COVER of the 2012 Catalog (as shown in the teaser on their website).  I don't know if it is Vision or Legacy or what . . . but I want it!

Lee - As pointed out in an earlier post, the first version posted of the sneak peek catalog

didnt have the page with the Blue Comet, Southern Crescent and Alton Ltd. Instead the UP 4-12-2 was shown. Now in the latest version posted, the 3 Pacifics are there but the

4-12-2s are not.

As pointed out on the other thread, take a look at The Blue Comet on the Cover.  It looks beautiful with with the feedwater heater, the words "The Blue Comet".  This got me very excited.  I'm guessing they used the 2001 / 2002 limited edition for the cover shot. In the later version of the sneak peak, they show the Pacifics including the Blue Comet from the side.  The Blue Comet is now missing it's iconic feedwater heater and has the wrong tender (may be the one from the mikados).  Obviously, they have a different engine standing in for the side picture, but the Crescent looks more like the blue comet than the stand in.  If the side view is what the engine and tender will look like, its VERY WRONG...  I wrote to Lionel about which one is correct in the catalog, and "they don't know until they get one in" was the response.  Most probably someone does know, but not the person answering my question.

I hope the new BLUE COMET is much like the 2001 / 2002 version with Legacy and Vision Line features rather than the ugly side view stand in model which is wrong in so many ways, but until I know for sure, I can't pre-order one which is shame.

Sorry, I think that's my fault.  I had my LHS source check on order availability for the 9004.  When he contacted his Lionel Rep he was told that the 4-12-2s should not have been up yet, it was a mistake and they would be removed immediately.  When my LHS owner hung up the phone and pulled up the sight the "nines" were gone.

He told me this morning we'll have to wait until the full catalog is up online or available.

I'm more surprised about the return of the Alton. Last time around, about 10 years ago Lionel could not give that set away and was forced to blow it out.

My dealer had the Alton with five matching cars at $700.00 and still had a hard time clearing out inventory..  This time at $1100.00 engine only sounds silly at best and if smart, should make those interested in it run for the secondary market looking for the previous release.

With a growing glut of great trains depreciating a slowing market today, Lionel is adding to the depreciated glut by reissuing recent engines in mass rather then cataloging one or two new newly tooled engines per year..

These trains, all of them have become far to commonplace and far to expensive for another round of reissues.

Joe

Looks like no legacy J3a.

You must have X-Ray vision, because I only see a few pages so far!

Jon 

I hope you know something I don't Jon, otherwise I doubt I'd get that lucky. I'm just bitter over all of those mikados. Outside of the vl hudson we haven't seen one since 2002. Lionel rolls out "mikes" ever couple of years and some of the ones previously released are already on big discounts. A nice updated legacy J3 with a pt tender in NYC or B&A would fly off the shelves! This ends my tantrum

You want a tantrum?  Just get me going on about that LionMaster PRR L1s!  Oh that's right, they NEVER MADE ONE!

Jon 

I just wonder home many items wil be canceled before the catolog come out lol

I am still trying to save for the stuff in this years Lionel Catalog along with the PRR e7's & PRR F7's!

Boy, isn't that the truth. I've been running two catalogs behind for years.!

History seems to say the opposite. People go for the newer engines with the latest features (here, Legacy, which is a big one), and the price of the older versions plummets, if you can even sell them.

Same story here - now that the new catalog became public, the older B&O EM-1 value just went way down, as did the value of the previous Crescent, Comet and Alton, etc. Most buyers will gravitate to the new versions, and aren't going to run to the secondary market for these, expecially now with the new versions being equipped with Legacy.

I came within a breath of buying a Crescent set from a Forum member two weeks ago, but he wouldn't come down a little to close the deal. He may be wishing now that he had. I'll be waiting for the Legacy version, now.

"History seems to say the opposite. People go for the newer engines with the latest features (here, Legacy, which is a big one), and the price of the older versions plummets, if you can even sell them.

I came within a breath of buying a Crescent set from a Forum member two weeks ago, but he wouldn't come down a little to close the deal. He may be wishing now that he had. I'll be waiting for the Legacy version, now."

You're saying the same thing in different words.

Eventually the newest set will meet the same fate.   At a show last weekend I picked up new Lionel Legacy UP FEF.  Paid &600.00 and probably could have paid less if I bargained.. 

The best part,  there were far better deals to be had. The market is gluted with great product..

Prices have fallen in the dumper..

Joe

Gratiot Valley?

"Gratiot Valley?"

That's it.

Actually, you may have seen it.  I tested it a few minutes on the Glancy Layout.

Whistle on that engine is nothing short of astounding!!

Joe 

Sure, that's been true for years, at least since technology took over in O gauge trains back in the 90's. Best advice is when you buy it, run it, and enjoy it. Very little in this world doesn't get replaced by something newer and better. That includes me.

Still, $600 for that engine is a steal, as you know. Someone was willing to take a bath. There haven't been any deals anywhere near that at shows around here, and probably the seller could have gotten more than that on the Bay. Legacy stuff never sells for half price.

Any rumors on which/what "more postwar" is coming soon ???

Thx

Joe S  

How about a triple chrome plated Burlington 44 Tonner set, with 027 2400 series

cars. Better yet, put Legacy in the Tonner!  For those of you wanting B Units for

the 2343 and 2344 CC sets...you'll have to wait 'til the post-NASCAR era, cuz

the big L sez you and I don't want 'em!!  No kiddin'!!!!

Joe I'm the one who set things up so you could test run it

What can I say. Its a small world..

Love the engine.

BTW, if you look halfway down on page two of weekend photo, I posted a shot of it laboring hard with a seven car consist..

Joe

I am stoked about the Lionel Legacy B&O EM-1...it's been on my wish list for a loooog time!!!

After thinking about it and noticing the blue comet will run on 036 if no Lionmaster offerings I think I may pull the trigger on the BC.  

I just heard back from Lionel again concerning the Blue Comet...

We will have the version that’s shown on the cover with the feedwater heater [of The Blue Comet].  The image on pg 25 is to be updated on the online catalog product finder.

Best,

Matt

I still want to see what the side view will look like before ordering, but now there is at least hope that it will be fantastic and I will be purchasing it.

Thank you Lionel for finding someone who knows what the product will look like and getting back to me.

Paul

No Heavy Ms-4 Mikado--no buy any Locomotives.

Same here Dewey.

I already have the K-Line version of Southern 4501 and If Lionel doing another Ps-4 for the Crescent Limited I'll pass unless it a different roadnumber since 1396 was used on the Limited Edition Set from 2003. I would consider getting it if 1394 or 1395 are used just to be able to double head two of the Crescent Ps-4 together.

"I would consider getting it if 1394 or 1395 are used just to be able to double head two of the Crescent Ps-4 together."

Its been my experience older TMCC steamers and young Legacy steamers really don't like each other enough to mate.  A rough ride at best 

Joe

Same old stuff with Legacy. Allows reuse of tooling, saving Lionel money. When they remade the challenger I said we would see more remakes/retooling of old models with new features.

Can a new Legacy Acela be far behind???

this is what a person at the club found out.  he had the TMCC Santa Fe 3751 from 2004, when the re-issue of the 3751 with the 3759 came out in Dec 2011 he got the 3751. tried running them together no matter what he did the newer one kept pushing the older one.

great so legacy doesn't play well with older tmcc locomotives. Guess I'll wait to see what roadnumber is used and go from there.

I recently picked up a mint NYC Hudson (#18002) -- the gray one -- from the late 1980s for $400 and it looks good and runs fine. If you don't want the latest electronics, you can get some great deals out there.

""Same old stuff with Legacy. Allows reuse of tooling, saving Lionel money. When they remade the challenger I said we would see more remakes/retooling of old models with new features.""

The best part of Legacy is Legacy... In TMCC mode, older command controlled engines run far smoother, slower, far more realistic and thats what its all about.

I run trains much of the time with sound turned low and smoke off, and with steam I can live with two chuffs.  I'm never tempted to jump on Lionels treadmill and trade up for a few new features.  

With so many recent reissues, Lionel has quickened the wholesale depreciation of really great older engines.  Amazing deals out there if one takes the time to look..

Other then the MR #261,  theres not been one reissued steamer worthy of my interest and certainly nothing worth trading up to.

Call me a bottom feeder.. Like my recent purchase of the FEF, cheap...I'll get my trains from those who haven't caught on to the game.

 Joe

Can a new Legacy Acela be far behind???

Please, dont give Lionel any ideas now.  How does the saying go ?  Be careful what you wish for, you may just get it !

ed h,

Anything on the CC series or maybe the come back for the PWC series?

Joe, VERY good point that always seems to get lost in the shuffle as folks trample over themselves to get the latest and greatest products released into the marketplace.  There are LOTS of great buys out there right now for the smart shopper.  Mint condition Lionel TMCC (vs. Legacy) and now most recently mint condition MTH PS2 (vs. PS3) locomotives are GREAT examples!!!

David