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Considering that I'm sure Lionel has already long since worked out what they will put in their 2021 offerings, perhaps this thread would be better named "Lionel 2022 Catalog Wishlist"

Comparatively "easy" things to do that wouldn't likely require new tooling:

- Larger sizes of manual Fastrack switches (up to O-72).  The command are fantastic but there are some spots on the layout I may not use so often where manual would be fine (and my wallet would be finer).

- ATSF bookend scheme GP30, SD40, and/or SD45

- B&O GP30 (hasn't been made since TMCC era)

- B&O F units in passenger colors (also haven't been made since TMCC)

"New" items that may require more work/tooling:

- New sound sets for the EMD diesels (this one-size-fits-all sound set is getting a bit old)

- F45/FP45: could be done in ATSF warbonnet, ATSF blue and yellow, ATSF bookend, Montana Rail Link, Milwaukee Road, Great Northern blue, Burlington Northern, and Wisconsin Central, as far as I can think.  If modular tooling were used with a few tweaks especially to the front pilot, Amtrak SDP40F's could be made from the basic tooling too.)

The NYS&W had a couple of F45's also.

A slight reworking of the Standard O Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door box car so that it has revised bolsters for accurate roller bearing trucks and wire grab irons.

New high-resolution graphics for the Standard O Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door box car for these railroads

McCloud River Railroad

Longview, Portland & Northern

WESTERN PACIFIC  early 1970's

Western Pacific late 1970's

Southern Pacific

SSW COTTON BELT



Andrew

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A few ideas I want to see from Lionel in the next catalog:

-Vision Line UP Big Blow 3rd Generation Gas Turbine (plus the original and Veranda Turbines)

-Fastrack Turntable w/ Command Control

-Intermodal Crane w/ Command Control and Sounds

-SD70ACe-T4 w/ Legacy

-Legacy ET44 GEVO

-Amtrak (and other liveries as well) Siemens Charger

-F45 and FP45

-GP60, GP60M, and GP60B

-SD7 and/or SD9

-Weaver Roadrailers

-Command Control Fastrack Uncoupling and Operating Tracks

-A new Operating Track Controller (OTC2 for LCS)

-ATSF Super Chief and/or El Capitan passenger trains

-New Legacy Crane/Boom Car sets

-Amtrak Superliners, Surfliner Cars, and California Cars, including Stationsounds cars

Well, 2021 will mark 10 years since the last time the H16-44s were cataloged. I have an LIRR one from the initial run in 2011 and it is one of my favorite locomotives in my collection. I personally would love to see an LIRR H16-44 in the Tichy scheme. It would match the new MTH LIRR RS-1 perfectly!

How about one of NYC "plumbers nightmare's" H10 class Mikados with the overhung Elesco feedwater heater in the vision line?  What other NYC steam is due for a reissue?   Mohawk in the Vision line maybe or Niagria with the twin sealed beam headlight using twin LED"s instead of lenses.  AD

Sunset Models/3rd rail is coming out with the NYC H10. A brass or a brass hybrid model was the only way we were going to see a model of this specific locomotive.

http://www.3rdrail.com/reservation.html#NYCH10A

Comparatively "easy" things to do that wouldn't likely require new tooling:



- B&O F units in passenger colors (also haven't been made since TMCC)



Could you explain what you mean by B&O passenger colors? Do you mean the more blue that's darker than the powder blue of the postwar F3s?

Somewhat echoing your thoughts, I'd love to see a set of O27 Alco FAs with LC+ 2.0.  I know they made them with LC+ a few years ago, but I never grabbed onto LC+ because it didn't work with TMCC/Legacy or DCS. If in LC+ 2.0, I might grab some.

Could you explain what you mean by B&O passenger colors? Do you mean the more blue that's darker than the powder blue of the postwar F3s?

Somewhat echoing your thoughts, I'd love to see a set of O27 Alco FAs with LC+ 2.0.  I know they made them with LC+ a few years ago, but I never grabbed onto LC+ because it didn't work with TMCC/Legacy or DCS. If in LC+ 2.0, I might grab some.

I just refer to it as B&O "passenger" colloquially, to differentiate with the solid blue or sunburst schemes.  I believe the Geeps were painted in this scheme when they were used for passenger and the solid blue when used for freight, but I could be wrong.  A B&O historian would have to correct me on this.

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I'd also like to add the SP and D&RGW Krauss-Maffei ML4000 Diesel Hydraulic locomotives to my list. I'm a huge fan of interesting and rare engines. The ML4000 is a German design adapted for US railroads. There is one ML4000 restored to operational status at the Niles Canyon Railway in northern California.

The restored M-L4000 is a hood units, not like the cab units the D&RGW and SP first bought.

Plus, 3rd Rail is bringing the cab units out.

Rusty

I also want Lionel to make SD75Ms and SD75Is. The SD75M would be a simple modification to the tooling on Lionel's SD70M/SD70MAC body shell with the bulge on the right side. The SD75I could use the SD80MAC/SD90MAC isolated cab.

SD75M Possible liveries:

-ATSF (Warbonnet)

-BNSF (Warbonnet, BNSF/ATSF Patched Warbonnet, H3 Swoosh)

-NS (They purchased 7 from NRE)

SD75I Possible Liveries:

-BNSF (Warbonnet, H3 Swoosh)

-Canadian National

-Ontario Northland

The SD70M, SD70I, SD75I, SD75M could mean making all new injection molds. It is unfortunate that the K-Line by Lionel SD70MAC/SD75M injection molds did not get to stay with the rest of the LIONEL molds when they were moved out of the Sanda Kan or Kader production line.



I might have to buy a Santa Fe SD75M and a CN SD75I if they actually made them.

Andrew

The Lionel TMCC Phantom (there were four versions) locomotives are so cool. The models look like something from an old sci-fi movie or TV show. They sound like it, too. Lionel should re-release all versions of the engines for their Lionchief Plus 2.0 line with TMCC control, new motors (2 of them), new sounds, and each loco should also include a 4-pack of matching passenger cars. I would get the Phantom III which is silver and black. Maybe the Phantoms could also be made with some new freight equipment 4-packs and add-on freight and/or passenger cars that match the engines, so operators could run either a freight or passenger train with their futuristic locomotive.

The Lionel TMCC Phantom (there were four versions) locomotives are so cool. The models look like something from an old sci-fi movie or TV show. They sound like it, too. Lionel should re-release all versions of the engines for their Lionchief Plus 2.0 line with TMCC control, new motors (2 of them), new sounds, and each loco should also include a 4-pack of matching passenger cars. I would get the Phantom III which is silver and black. Maybe the Phantoms could also be made with some new freight equipment 4-packs and add-on freight and/or passenger cars that match the engines, so operators could run either a freight or passenger train with their futuristic locomotive.

I really like this idea! Perhaps the Phantom in various road names or colors.

The Greenville Steel Car Co. corrugated gondolas built for Chicago & North Western, Missouri Pacific Lines, and Southern Pacific Lines that are now all owned by the Union Pacific.

These corrugated gondolas have to be made in similar process to the way steel vegetable cans and aluminum sardine cans are produced.

Corrugated gondolas stamped and folded out of actual sheets of metal.

Andrew

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Illinois Central 2-10-2, 2-8-0, or 2-8-2 steam

Illinois Central heavyweight passenger cars

21 inch aluminum passenger cars (who has the K-Line tooling?)

Legacy Dreyfuss Hudson

2 rail locomotives

Single motor drive for diesel locomotives similar to HO and N scale mechanisms

2 rail O scale FasTrack

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I'll make my annual pitch for Lionel to offer foreign engines, like the Mallard or the Flying Scotsman.  The Scotsman toured America so maybe it could provide a good bridge to future offerings?

I'm a fan of all the interesting new features Lionel has come up with, like swinging bells and cylinder steam.  I really look forward to seeing reciprocating steam on the GS series!

I'd encourage Lionel to continue making products available in O-36 and below.  (And I have encouraged them financially by buying the latest Lionmaster Big Boy, which runs beautifully.)  I have a Lionmaster Challenger with Legacy and I hope Lionel will offer more Lionmaster units that include all the best features, like whistle steam and Legacy control.

New Legacy base only, with built in WiFi.     It's time to release a Android version of the iCab app.   Doesn't need to be called iCab.   Just Lionel Cab3 or Legacy (Lionel) mobile remote.   The App could also control LionChief.   A new all in one app for both iOS and Android platforms for a new all in one Legacy base.

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What I'm hoping is in this catalog...

A Morristown & Erie caboose to match the Alco switcher...
Some type of M&E Rolling stock - gondola, boxcar, etc...
A SCALE maintenance-of-way hi-rail vehicle - pick-up truck, utility truck etc...
Fastrack-integrated ROW signals, signal bridges... or bring back the Mainline accessories

I have learned to never say Never when it comes to Lionel.  Who would have thought we would see some of the engines they have done thru the years.  I would gamble to say that nothing from the NYC is "off" the table of possible engines as that road name sells well.   The Southern Crescent engines would be my second choice to see from big L.  AD

I hesitate to say Lionel will never make a specific model but brass is the only construction technique that makes sense if you are trying to get the NYC H10 look you are going for with piping details correct. 3rd rail will get the details and look correct look you are looking for. I just hate to see an NYC fan miss out.

Lionel offered a brass hybrid N&W 4-8-2 locomotive but didn't get enough orders to build them. They might have gotten enough orders had 3rd rail not made their similar N&W 4-8-2 earlier.

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In terms of wishes (in addition to correct shades of graphite on someboxes!!!)...

- (As others has mentioned) Strasburg 90:  would be nice to finally have in O scale. I don't think this would be as 'niche' of an engine to make as Strasburg is considered one of (if not the) most quintessential tourist railroad in the US. Many have fond memories there and I can see this being a good seller. The MTH SRC coaches sold out in just 2 days at my LHS (they ordered 20+ in addition to preorders).

- PRR P5: (did MTH ever manufacture the ones that they advertised in their 2020 V1 catalog? Haven't seen them advertised on any LHS websites ) I would like someone to produce this again (with or without the MTH tooling), unlikely that it will be Lionel though. Yes, 3rd rail has offered these before but I wasn't as involved in the hobby during their latest offering.

- PRR MP54: an old K-line tooling that Lionel made years ago under the K-line by Lionel name. It would be nice to see these be produced again with some upgrades. Not probably, but possible.

- PRR K4s with short haul tenders: the same ones they did in 2011. Prewar, also not a fan of the long haul tendered ones they have made in the last few years. Given it's been 10 years now, I could see them reissuing this in the not-so-distant future, if not this year.

- PRR M1s (anyone starting to notice a certain theme here?? ): same as they have done in 2014. Like the K4's it's been a while since so I could see these on Lionel's "to-do list".

My wallet would be in big trouble if they decided to make more than just one of these in the catalog! SRC 90 is at the top of the list first for a reason, but I would like to see Lionel produce all of these before 2030. (I could also be convinced to buy a Reading 2102, but I dont see this for a few years given they just did the T1s last years).

Now, in terms of predictions: Lionchief berks (mostly driven by demand for RTR level Polar Express engines). I could also see them doing scale berks as they havent done these in a few years and there is demand for Legacy PE engines as always. I also see them doing more passenger cars using the Reading 18" passenger cars as they haven't done a whole lot with this tooling yet.

Hopefully we will all be pleasantly surprised and each find something that satisfies our interest in the catalog. I sure do miss the days when there were 5+ catalogs throughout the year. Even when not purchasing from them, they are fun to flip through!

@DaveP posted:

What I'm hoping is in this catalog...

A Morristown & Erie caboose to match the Alco switcher...
Some type of M&E Rolling stock - gondola, boxcar, etc...
A SCALE maintenance-of-way hi-rail vehicle - pick-up truck, utility truck etc...
Fastrack-integrated ROW signals, signal bridges... or bring back the Mainline accessories

DaveP,

METCA has recently done two M&E 6464 style boxcars. The most recent one is still available at their website.  Good luck...

The Chicago & North Western colors and eras can get mistaken.

There are 3 yellows for Chicago & North Western

1960-1980 Original Yellow

1980-1990 Safety Yellow that is also called Zito Yellow

1990-1995 Traditional Yellow

You have to be even more clearly defined about the era of the Chicago & North Western caboose.

Do you need an O scale CNW Bay-Window Caboose from 1990-1995 in Traditional Yellow ?



Andrew

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The Chicago & North Western colors and eras can get mistaken.

There are 3 yellows for Chicago & North Western

1960-1980 Original Yellow

1980-1990 Safety Yellow that is also called Zito Yellow

1990-1995 Traditional Yellow

You have to be even more clearly defined about the era of the Chicago & North Western caboose.

Do you need an O scale CNW Bay-Window Caboose from 1990-1995 in Traditional Yellow ?



Andrew

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Original yellow.  I stop at about '69 on my layout.

Yes Peter Araujo, Fantastic idea, I would love for Lionel to re-make the K-Kine J1e Scale NYC Hudson, only if they make it the Right Way. I prefer some extreme changes, a Large Pittman motor rear mounted, no substitute, 4 chuffs per revolution, fan driven smoke, and whistle steam, swinging bell, Legacy Control, a realistic headlight, crew men that look like they are at work, a detailed deck plate, steam exhaust, and that would sell Well. So, with the engine, they could also  make a nice 18 inch heavyweight passenger set with people, a StationSounds diner, a Observation car with simple passenger talk. How would you all like this idea. Just dreaming. Happy Railroading Everyone B82D0860-FBA0-417D-96E0-D9821989437E

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@DaveP posted:

What I'm hoping is in this catalog...

A Morristown & Erie caboose to match the Alco switcher...
Some type of M&E Rolling stock - gondola, boxcar, etc...
A SCALE maintenance-of-way hi-rail vehicle - pick-up truck, utility truck etc...
Fastrack-integrated ROW signals, signal bridges... or bring back the Mainline accessories

Public Delivery track did a nice Atlas M&E Hopper and Boxcar.

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