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I was hoping to have everything available for pre-order this am, but, ahhhhh, life got in the way as usualThe backlog of orders here has got to come 1st.

I watched the Lionel Dealer presentation was 50% about the cab 3.  Basically 1 controller that can operate all different Lionel products.  Also can assign cab numbers up to 9999, instead of just 99.   This will be good for clubs and shops with large layouts mostly.The rest of it was about whats in the catalog.....Here's a list of the typical detailed O scale sized items that i will have up on the website,    Cutoff day for orders to Lionel is Feb 11th.  Not much time,  I;ll be ordering some items for stock, so I'll be able to take pre-orders on some items past Feb 11th.

Steam locos..

2-10-4 Texas in Santa Fe, KCS, PRR  retail 1749.

2-8-4  Berkshires...B&A, B&M, CNW Santa Fe, SP, TA&G.  retail 1,599.

4-4-2 Atlantics in B&M, MP, NH, NYC, SOU, WAB.   Retail 899.

The above engines will have "all the bells and whistles"  Whistle steam,  clyinder head steam, wireless drawbar, etc

0-6-0   (MTH 0-6-0 rebuilt with Lionel electronics) ..Bethlehem steel, SLSF, NYC, PRR, Strasburg #31, TRRA, Washington Terminal.  Retail 799

0-4-0  Beth Steel, B&O, US Army, PRR, LIRR  Retail 699.

The switchers will have the wired tender drawbar, and limited special effects.  no whistle steam, etc.


SD90MAC...All the CP Veterans and heritage schemes, UP yellow with NS patch, SLRG.  Retail 650 powered, $400 non powered.  The non powered diesels do not have any electronics.  Its just a cab on a non-powered frame

ES44AC..BNSF Aniv, BC rail heritage, EJ&E Heritage, IC Heritage, WC Heritage, CN Vets. Retail 699 powered, 399 non-powered

SD40-2...BN, Louisville and Indiana, Maersk-Sealand, Savage, UP Desert.  Retail 699 powered, 399 non-powered

F40's and F40 Cabbage cars...various Amtrak schemes

Specialty sets....

BR&W excursion train...BRW SW-1 and 3 passenger cars.  retail 1100.

B&LE Ore train set (F9A-B, and 12 ore cars) $1699.  The engines and cars will be available separately

UP rocket booster train.  UP diesel, 5 rocket booster cars (With rocket parts that will build a 30" high rocket) , 6 idler cars, Rider car (passenger car)    $1899 for the full train.  Cars available separately

Rolling stock...

End door 50' box cars...SF, CB&Q, Conoco, SOU, UP, WAB.  retail 115. per car

1905/GLa style hopper cars...N&W PRR, Penna coal and coke, VGN, Westmoreland, West Penn Power. retail 200/ 2 pack

Coil Cars (MTH) Beth Steel, BNSF, CR, Ferromex, Reading, UP,   Retail 120 per car.    130 per car with graffiti

Double stacks (Husky stacks in Lionel verbiage) BN, CRLE, CSX, TTX, Pacer.  retail 170 per car.  190 with graffiti.

Bobber cabooses (MTH) B&O LV, Ma&Pa, Northern Central, Strasburg, US Military.  Retail $120. each

Bay window cabooses...BNSF Aniv, CSX and CN specialty schemes  Retail 145.

Wood side passenger cars...these will come in 2 car sets now..Coach/combine. coach/baggage. and coach/obs.  $450 per 2 car set now too,  Wabash, Southern, NYC, and generic M of W.  Also a single "chapel car" for $225.

Rotary bathtub gondolas are in this catalog, but these are just leftovers from the last catalog. retail is 155 for 2 pack, 309 for a 4 pack.

NOW.....Lionel has been very good to me, so I dont want to bad mouth them...but a lot of the pricing is obviously at the high end of whats available in O gauge these days.  And i didnt even include Vision Line, which is just too over the top for me.   To be fair, i didnt include the Standard O, either, which is O scale dimensions, but not very detailed.  Those cars retail in the 50-60 $ range per car.  I dont carry the standard O cars, cause they are basically 1970's tooling, and the detail is far below what my average customer is looking for.   I already have more here than i can handle, so gotta draw the line somewhere.

My opinion is that the sweet spot these days, is highly detailed cars in the $65 to $100 a car range. Diesels at $ 475-550. Steam $700 to 1500.   I'll buy some of the more reasonably priced stuff (IMHO) for stock, the rest will be pre-orders only.

Obviously, both Lionel and Atlas are trying to "fill the gap" from MTH pulling back, and trying to make back some of the $$ they invested in MTH tooling, and have "new" stuff in their catalogs.   Personally Im concerned about some of the pricing.   I guess we'll just see how this all plays out.

And of course I still have to get all this up on the web.  Thanks for reading.  Have fun. if u wanna take a look..


Last edited by Beth Marshall-The Public Delivery Track
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The Standard O 50' single-door and double-door exterior-braced boxcars were introduced between 1986 and 1992 by LIONEL.

They are based on real 1970's era freight cars.

The Standard O 50' boxcars are supposed to have Roller Bearing trucks, but have the old friction bearing trucks.

The only fine detail to add would be metal grab irons and some metal brake components.


Maybe Im wrong...IDK..    I just question how many ppl will buy a bobber caboose for $100. or pay $200. for a wood side passenger car.

One of the issues, with all the manufacturers, is that they think if they sell out, then the item did well.  They dont ask the dealers if the items have sold thru at the retail level without having to dump them, which is the real measure of the success of an item.

In other industries, the retaiers can return unsold product, so the manufacturer finds out in no uncertain terms, how successful something is.

Maybe Im wrong...IDK..    I just question how many ppl will buy a bobber caboose for $100. or pay $200. for a wood side passenger car.


I agree, the MTH price for single woodsided passenger car was right at $90. I'm not paying double the previous price.

While prices are increasing for everything (not trying to be political, just acknowledging it), more than double the old price is absurd.

Unfortunately, I have to agree.   IMHO, the MTH N6b (for example)  was underpriced at 79.95.  Its a 100., maybe 120 $ caboose.  But 150 is just a leap too far.  Same with the woodside passenger cars...I think maybe the are worth 150 retail...225 is just too far a leap.  Also the box cars and coil cars.  89.95 would be a decent retail.  I just think 115-120 for an average freight car is asking too much

OTOH, the Bathtub gondolas are at about 80. each retail, and the GLA hopper cars at 100 ea,  Thats a little high, compared to Atlas USRA hoppers that are actually a little nicer, at 85 retail, but livable.  The smaller steam engines are reasonably priced, and the Heavy Metal about average for what they are, these days.  All the diesels I think should retail for about 50$ less than what they are, just to keep them at the high end of what i believe is  reasonable.

The standard O is inexpensive, which is a good thing.  but unless its been upgraded a bit, i dont think its as detailed as Weaver ultra line cars,   Years ago I offered some of the Standard O box cars at 35 to 40 a piece, and no one was interested.  Also wondering if the truck mounts on the older cars (the RBL's and gonds with coil covers) have been improved.  The early cars the trucks flopped around and the cars were just "cheap"

My opinion only.  Hopefully Lionel wont yell at me.  If everything sell like gangbusters, them im worng.   I guess we;ll see.


Last edited by Beth Marshall-The Public Delivery Track
@TrainBub posted:

Yes getting Very Pricey !!!!  Your “sweet spot” is a nice target. It does however eliminate most modern diesels.  Oh well 🤔🤔🤔

Beth stated she will take "pre-orders only " on big ticket items so you can still purchase them from her.

She is only taking extra stock on those items that she thinks will move at a given price.

Sounds like good business sense to me, and she's aware of the market. Especially in these adverse times.

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@RickO posted:

Beth stated she will take "pre-orders only " on big ticket items so you can still purchase them from her.

She is only taking extra stock on those items that she thinks will move at a given price.

Sounds like good business sense to me, and she's aware of the market. Especially in these adverse times.

Yah I get it. Q up now on the “big ticket” items or forget it later.  No problemo !!!  
She knows what works for her.


I believe were seeing a 20% increase across the board in pricing.  Some of the increase is to recoup the cost of former MTH tooling and any upgrades Lionel is making to them, some is the result of the current global economic situation.  However, I think the manufactures will understand how successful and/or unsuccessful the new pricing effects sales shortly.

I imagine pre orders will be down sharply on many items as dealers such as yourself, will order only what was pre ordered on the higher end items and less than normal on the items they intend to stock.

I myself like quite a number of items, but when adding up the cost at approximately $10,000 I'll need to cut back some.

But it could have the opposite affect as well, as consumers realize much less will be produced, pre orders may increase.  This is kind of what you see at Costco or BJ's ( If you see something you like, you better buy it because once its sold out....that's it )


Thanks for sharing that the 0-4-0 and 0-6-0 switchers will NOT have a wireless tether as the big print in the catalog states. The fine print says it will be a wired tether. I missed that. That is a deal killer for me. I love the true Lionel wireless tether, the old MTH anaconda was fine, but the MTH wireless circuit board tender for me was very troublesome. These switchers look like MTH Premier, and the photos in the catalog appear to show the troublesome circuit board tether.

I was very interested, almost ready to order the PRR 0-4-0, now I will hold off and see how they are when they are delivered.

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@Craignor posted:

... but the MTH wireless circuit board tender for me was very troublesome. 

These switchers need a wired tender with pickup roller to make it across many switches.  The rollers on just the engine are too close together.  I personally hate the look of that huge anaconda wire and while MTH's wireless drawbar was cumbersome, to me it was much better looking.  Assuming Lionel is using the same technology for this engine, I think it was a good decision by them to go with the drawbar and will make it a much better looking model.

The catalog description stating it had the "wireless drawbar" made me think it was the MTH model.  Since it is just an updated K-Line mold, I'll continue my search for the MTH PS 3.0 version or maybe someone else will produce a new model from the MTH mold (without the anaconda wire).  Because of the wireless drawbar, my concern now is Lionel did get MTH's mold and they are going to bury it in favor of their larger, easier to put stuff in, K-Line mold.

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