Lionel 610-8057-200 Smoke Unit Install/Upgrade

So what would be the correct way to wire this, and have synchronized chuffing and puffing?

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Iv'e found some older posts discussing similar questions but have not really found an answer.  I would appreciate any help.

Also, in looking at the old TAS smoke unit instructions, they installed a diode to isolate the smoke unit from RailSounds. 

Thanks,

Jim

The correct way, at least IMO, is the Super-Chuffer, and to generate the 4-chuffs, I obviously like the Chuff-Generator.  The magnets and reed switch are a major PITA to get working right, which is why I developed a better alternative.

I may be a tiny bit biased as those are products I developed, but they do a great job.   I think you'll find that simply tying the smoke motor to the chuff switch will probably not be nearly as satisfactory.  The Super-Chuffer will give you better defined chuffing, smoke at idle, and optionally you get the lighting effects.  Here's a couple of clips with the Super-Chuffer and Chuff-Generator.

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I went to your website; I don't see directions on installation of the Supper-Chuffer.  Can you please provide?

Is that a Lionel or MTH camelback?

Thanks.

That's the MTH Railking Camelback, it was obviously upgraded to TMCC with the Super-Chuffer.

I've attached the instructions and a couple of useful configuration diagrams.

Every time I see a Super Chuffer demo I grow a bit fonder of them. That really was a great idea, along with the Chuff Generator too. Almost makes me want to buy a TMCC steam engine so I can install one. And I am a big diesel fan! 

Go for it, you need at least one good steamer.

Looks great,. Just viewed several youtube videos.

Just ordered one of each.

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-Jim

I may be starting to see one on the horizon, off in the distance...slowly getting closer... 

What you're seeing is all the smoke from the Super-Chuffer!

This is all new to me, can these be used in any make of engine Lionel or MTH? How easy is it to install? Is there more information on these units, besides the demos on U tube?

Pretty incredible!

Jeff, can you be a little more specific?  As for the Super-Chuffer and the Chuff-Generator, they're designed for Lionel TMCC environments. Adding the fan driven smoke to a locomotive that has a mechanical smoke unit is largely a mechanical task with some simple wiring.

I posted some documentation in the TMCC Documentation thread about these products and their installation.

Super-Chuffer, Chuff-Generator, & Installation Diagrams

In the future I can point to this post and not have to upload multiple copies of these items.

John: I really meant that I was just wondering if this could be replaced in the Lionel and MTH engines that are more in todays offerings, and not something post war. It was pretty neat to see these items on U-tube and how things became enhanced. I had another thought just now. I have a couple of the Weaver Milwaukee Road Hiawathas 4-4-2s, and they only have the Seuth smoke units (??) are these possible? Just tossing things out, as I had not heard of these systems before. Thank you for your reply.

Jeff

I do a lot of brass upgrades, most get a fan driven smoke unit to replace the Seuthe smoke unit.

So do you offer this service?

Yep, I usually do it in conjunction with a full upgrade.  You do need something to drive the fan driven unit.

Jeff B. Haertlein posted:

John: I really meant that I was just wondering if this could be replaced in the Lionel and MTH engines that are more in todays offerings, and not something post war. It was pretty neat to see these items on U-tube and how things became enhanced. I had another thought just now. I have a couple of the Weaver Milwaukee Road Hiawathas 4-4-2s, and they only have the Seuth smoke units (??) are these possible? Just tossing things out, as I had not heard of these systems before. Thank you for your reply.

 

Jeff

Jeff,  You do not need this for MTH, in facts John's design pay a royalty to MTH.  MTH Has adjustable and fully integrated Smoke and sounds in their DCS based boards.  Newer Legacy also has better smoke and integration.

So John's application as he stated is for Lionel and others with TMCC that did not have this capability. 

So depending on what engine and what upgrade you want determines your approach.  For example a PS-3 upgrade to a Brass engine would not need any of John's components at the PS-3 board does all that.  An ERR TMCC upgrade to that engine would need John's product to get those enhance smoke and chuff features.  G

What he said.

GGG posted:

Jeff B. Haertlein posted:

John: I really meant that I was just wondering if this could be replaced in the Lionel and MTH engines that are more in todays offerings, and not something post war. It was pretty neat to see these items on U-tube and how things became enhanced. I had another thought just now. I have a couple of the Weaver Milwaukee Road Hiawathas 4-4-2s, and they only have the Seuth smoke units (??) are these possible? Just tossing things out, as I had not heard of these systems before. Thank you for your reply.

 

Jeff

Jeff,  You do not need this for MTH, in facts John's design pay a royalty to MTH.  MTH Has adjustable and fully integrated Smoke and sounds in their DCS based boards.  Newer Legacy also has better smoke and integration.

So John's application as he stated is for Lionel and others with TMCC that did not have this capability. 

So depending on what engine and what upgrade you want determines your approach.  For example a PS-3 upgrade to a Brass engine would not need any of John's components at the PS-3 board does all that.  An ERR TMCC upgrade to that engine would need John's product to get those enhance smoke and chuff features.  G

OK thanks for that bit of information.!!!