Or watch this demonstration video directly from Lionel: LINK
Lionel did an excellent job with this demonstration video.
I like how they showed the programing switch for the cabbage unit.
and they look great on the layout.
Gary
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Dave Olson... you are the man!!!!! Thank you for pushing the technology forward.... and for correct horn times!!!!
Tones!
The GN Man posted:If Lionel ever brings back the (K-Line) Bombardier commuter cars, I hope they add sound and the "PAIR" feature to the cab control cars.
I am glad you posted this. I have wondered how I could respond to Lionel's use of the word "pair" in the 2017 Signature catalog.
I do not like the use of the word " pair" as Lionel has used it in their most recent catalog. This use is reserved for wine and food. Please ,Lionel, do not continue to use the word "pair" in this context anymore for the sake of the King's English.
Fred
Atlas's first release Comet and Horizon cars had a similar function for the upgraded cab cars. By setting the dipswitch the correct way on the AEM7 or ALP44 locomotive and the corresponding cab car, the strobes and the horn would work on which ever end of the train was leading. Yes, old technology but not bad for 1999 when they were first released. Yes, I know the horn sounded terrible on those, but the tooling is still excellent nearly 20 years later.
This is the Lionel Amtrak F40PH - Horn samples.....
Gary
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Can someone post a video to get to the command control switches to program? The magnets seem very sticky.
It's not the magnets, the paint on the hatch covers is too thick and binds. The only fix is to sand the sides a bit and then touch-up the black so they come off properly. BTW, lift from the rear, the front is the hinges, the rear is where the magnets are.
trainroomgary posted:
Who will bring us the New Siemens, SC-44 Charger Locomotive, built at Sacramento, California, Top speed of 125 Miles Per Hour and 4400 HP / Lionel • MTH or Atlas?
Gary
Gary, even if they bring it, we have aesthetic standards to adhere to on purchases! 
That is one ugly locomotive! 
BobbyD posted:trainroomgary posted:
Who will bring us the New Siemens, SC-44 Charger Locomotive, built at Sacramento, California, Top speed of 125 Miles Per Hour and 4400 HP / Lionel • MTH or Atlas?
Gary
Gary, even if they bring it, we have aesthetic standards to adhere to on purchases!
gunrunnerjohn posted:That is one ugly locomotive!
Hi: Bob & John
Here is the deal, An Amtrak Siemens, came close to my train room last week, took my two grandson down to see this locomotive. Guess What? My two grandson's want to see grandpa add this locomotive to the layout.
This Siemens is going to replace the Amtrak Genesis - Who ever builds this first, Lionel or MTH. I will add this loco to my roaster. We always talk about ways to grow the hobby on the OGR Forum. Lionel and MTH should be building locos that kids can see go by there homes and ride on. Just like we did as kids, with American Flyer and Lionel.
Gary: Still a big kid......
I'm in no hurry. 
Does anyone have the CSX F40PH's?
Peter Araujo posted:Does anyone have the CSX F40PH's?
I received an email today from my dealer that mine has arrived at the store. Will likely be picking it up tomorrow.....after checking it for defects.
Mine is in, you can bet when I pick it up I'm going to look it over VERY carefully!
trainroomgary posted:BobbyD posted:trainroomgary posted:
Who will bring us the New Siemens, SC-44 Charger Locomotive, built at Sacramento, California, Top speed of 125 Miles Per Hour and 4400 HP / Lionel • MTH or Atlas?
Gary
Gary, even if they bring it, we have aesthetic standards to adhere to on purchases!
gunrunnerjohn posted:That is one ugly locomotive!
Hi: Bob & John
Here is the deal, An Amtrak Siemens, came close to my train room last week, took my two grandson down to see this locomotive. Guess What? My two grandson's want to see grandpa add this locomotive to the layout.
This Siemens is going to replace the Amtrak Genesis - Who ever builds this first, Lionel or MTH. I will add this loco to my roaster. We always talk about ways to grow the hobby on the OGR Forum. Lionel and MTH should be building locos that kids can see go by there homes and ride on. Just like we did as kids, with American Flyer and Lionel.
Gary: Still a big kid......
Gary,
The SC-44s are not replacing the Genesis, at least not yet. The F59PHIs however, are gone. A handful of the P40s will be retired, but only a few.
As for this topic, I picked my Cabbage unit up a little while ago, and I have to say it is by far one of my favorite engines in my collection. It runs great with my Lionel Amtrak Dash 9, and the horn is incredible! My CSX one is at Nicholas Smith, so I think I will get it after York, if I am not bankrupt.
What are the defects you are worried about?
Maxrailroad posted:trainroomgary posted:BobbyD poste
Gary,
The SC-44s are not replacing the Genesis, at least not yet. The F59PHIs however, are gone. A handful of the P40s will be retired, but only a few.
As for this topic, I picked my Cabbage unit up a little while ago, and I have to say it is by far one of my favorite engines in my collection. It runs great with my Lionel Amtrak Dash 9, and the horn is incredible! My CSX one is at Nicholas Smith, so I think I will get it after York, if I am not bankrupt.
Max, glad to see I'm not the only one on the border of chapter 11.......Lol
I just watched all the posted videos in this thread on the Lionel FP40. Is it me, or do the engine sounds sound exactly like the SD60e's? Are they supposed to? The horn is different but the engine is identical.
TrainGuyMcGee posted:I just watched all the posted videos in this thread on the Lionel FP40. Is it me, or do the engine sounds sound exactly like the SD60e's? Are they supposed to? The horn is different but the engine is identical.
Not a lot of differences in full load exhaust sounds between various EMD turbocharged diesel prime movers. All domestic EMD units since the Dash-2 series came out in 1972, have exhaust silencers on the turbochargers, thus they all pretty much sound the same under heavy load.
My 2 FP40s arrived today from Charles Ro and everything on them is perfect. So let's not assume they are all defective. I think Lionel did a great job on them.
My F40PH showed up, and it looks like they're all not perfect! What do you suppose is wrong with this picture? This is really basic stuff folks, we shouldn't be getting these like this!
Number board not lit, hatch cover so tight that it's almost impossible to get it off, and apparently the conductor took a walk, I hear him rattling around in the engine, but he's not in view!
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gunrunnerjohn posted:My F40PH showed up, and it looks like they're all not perfect! What do you suppose is wrong with this picture? This is really basic stuff folks, we shouldn't be getting these like this!
You've got to be kidding me! That sucks.
I think I'm being singled out for abuse!
Trainlover9943 posted:gunrunnerjohn posted:My F40PH showed up, and it looks like they're all not perfect! What do you suppose is wrong with this picture? This is really basic stuff folks, we shouldn't be getting these like this!
You've got to be kidding me! That sucks.
No fun at all! 
I am surprised they arrive in as good of condition as they do considering the rough handling that happens during shipping. I cringe every time something is shipped to me or if I ship something.
I'm not keen on shipping it back, but if that's the only way to get it fixed... I don't want to open it up and then have Lionel deny warranty coverage. I'm not a "factory trained" tech for Lionel, primarily because they don't hold schools any more, so I can't really open them up and maintain any warranty coverage.
I suspect the number board isue is not super complex, and of course gluing the conductor back in shouldn't be a challenge.
OTOH Mark, if they can't ship them and get them to the destination in good condition, they either need to improve the packaging or get into another business! I used to ship 75 pound video generators all around the world 25 years ago, and we never had a shipping damage issue. Packing something that weighs 5-6 pounds so it won't get damaged in shipment should be fairly easy.
Hi John - When it comes to a F40PH / I am old school.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zelcdJP8gQQ&t=3s - Video from my YT - Channel
In my old age, I remember this story, like it was yesterday. At the time, I owned a teen driving school and I drove the company car, to a K-Line Super Store in Indianapolis, Indiana. I did remove the roof sign. They are held on with three strong magnets.
This loco is a K-Line • Lionel Cab #1 / TMCC and can also be controlled with my MTH-DCS. Still runs great.
Gary: Old school, F40PH - for about 15 years........
I was all set to bite the bullet and open it up to fix the number board light and glue the conductor in, but then I turned it over and looked a bit closer...
Say what? Only one of the wheels is grooved for a traction tire, the other is a plain wheel!
The other truck has the correct wheels, they just forgot to install the traction tires!
That explains why it was wobbling a bit on the track...
This has to have been a Monday morning build!
Mark Mcclung posted:I am surprised they arrive in as good of condition as they do considering the rough handling that happens during shipping. I cringe every time something is shipped to me or if I ship something.
This ain't shipping damage!
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Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:Trainlover9943 posted:gunrunnerjohn posted:My F40PH showed up, and it looks like they're all not perfect! What do you suppose is wrong with this picture? This is really basic stuff folks, we shouldn't be getting these like this!
You've got to be kidding me! That sucks.
No fun at all!
Apparently, Quality Control is an issue across the industry.. One of my new MTH N&W C30-7s showed up missing a number board, at least it runs properly.. I will fabricate my own number board.. One more project..
I could have fixed the number board, fixing the wrong wheel is above and beyond.
I've made a few number boards, once you work out a technique, they're not too difficult. I print them white on black in high density on my laser printer in the correct size. I use clear parts cement to stick them to clear plastic, instant number board.
Apparently, Quality Control is an issue across the industry.. One of my new MTH N&W C30-7s showed up missing a number board, at least it runs properly.. I will fabricate my own number board.. One more project..
I would disagree with this statement. We only hear about the bad experiences on here and this forum doesn't speak for the mass majority of the market. Yes there are quality control issues and it is I feel for those who have had bad experiences recently, but that is not industry wide. Without getting into specific manufacturers, there are several you rarely if ever hear about quality control concerns in the O scale market.
Well all 3 of my f40ph'S were perfect right out of the box! I was very happy about that... sometimes the new trains arrive perfect. Sometimes they don't. My legacy y-3 steamer had to go back to Lionel because it didn't respond to legacy, and back to Harry Heike because the weathering was peeling off the drivers. In my experience It's hit or miss and that's why we have Warrantees.
can you be specific in list format what is exactly wrong? Going to check mine again this weekend. Like
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etc
I see number board etc.
I think my conductor may be floating too now that I think about it.
Gunrunnerjohn
seems like you unit was built on April First! With the dissolving coupler, rusty cut bar, the number board, and those wheels, I think that Mike Reagan would have spit on that engine! I would send it back, and demand two free ones!
My powered and cabbage units arrived today and look terrific - nothing broken or missing and all couplers look fine. The powered unit runs and sounds great.
Unfortunately, the cabbage unit has a dead short when powered up.
I called Charles Ro this morning and was told that I will be sent a return FedEx shipping document and I was promised that the engine will either be repaired or replaced. Update: already received return shipping documents this afternoon and the cabbage is on it's way back!
It's nice to deal with a reputable dealer!
How bout some csx love.
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Nice! Any hatch problem? Conductor glued in?
To add a little brevity to the thread .....
We all know that conductors can get unglued every now and then. Ba-bump-bump.....
GG1 4877 posted:To add a little brevity to the thread .....
We all know that conductors can get unglued every now and then.
Good one Jonathan, except in passenger service the Conductor is BACK IN THE PASSENGER CARS. In commuter service, there is nobody else in the locomotive, or cab car, with the Engineer. In Amtrak service, there MAY be an "assistant Engineer", but that is only on long distant runs. Thus, if the "Conductor is loose" in the cab of these units, then simply take him/her out and place him/her back in the passenger cars.
Hot Water posted:GG1 4877 posted:To add a little brevity to the thread .....
We all know that conductors can get unglued every now and then.
Good one Jonathan, except in passenger service the Conductor is BACK IN THE PASSENGER CARS. In commuter service, there is nobody else in the locomotive, or cab car, with the Engineer. In Amtrak service, there MAY be an "assistant Engineer", but that is only on long distant runs. Thus, if the "Conductor is loose" in the cab of these units, then simply take him/her out and place him/her back in the passenger cars.
True. Begs the question then why there are two crew members in the cab. I have a friend who is an engineer on the "Southwest Chief" from La Junta to Kingman. I'll ask him what the cab crew is typically. I like the idea of having the conductor in a passenger car. For the long distance trains, there is also the train chief to consider too. I find them interesting to chat with when they aren't going crazy managing "hotel" staff. Usually after the passengers head to bed is the best time.
So, who's the guy that's rattling around in the shell of the F40PH?
gunrunnerjohn posted:So, who's the guy that's rattling around in the shell of the F40PH?
Can't be the Engineer, as he/she has to be seated behind the control stand and operate the train. Thus, it must be some unauthorized person that is "rattling around".
John Quogue RR posted:Nice! Any hatch problem? Conductor glued in?
No issue I got an Amtrak phase 3. And both csx units. No issues I can find at least in reference to what I've seen listed. No loose crew or unlighted number boards. No missing boxes under the chassis. Great horn on these that's for sure. The csx units are very attractive in person. Only gripe would be the hatch I'm honestly afraid to even try to remove it. Deafinetely poorly thought out.
The hatch is the easiest thing to fix, I wouldn't have had any complaint if that's all that was wrong with the two units.
I got the "207" last week. I decided to get the "200". It arrived yesterday without anything loose or missing. The hatch was not that hard to remove.
Neal Jeter
Hot Water posted:GG1 4877 posted:To add a little brevity to the thread .....
We all know that conductors can get unglued every now and then.
Good one Jonathan, except in passenger service the Conductor is BACK IN THE PASSENGER CARS. In commuter service, there is nobody else in the locomotive, or cab car, with the Engineer. In Amtrak service, there MAY be an "assistant Engineer", but that is only on long distant runs. Thus, if the "Conductor is loose" in the cab of these units, then simply take him/her out and place him/her back in the passenger cars.
New rule. According to the Amtrak folks on my eastbound Empire Builder last month, there are now always two people in the cab on long distance trains.
I just got my two power Phase 3 Amtrak engines. One runs good, but the hatch is so hard to lift off, and the other the hatch is not so hard to get off, but it shorts out the track. I cannot get it to run and it is scheduled to go back to Lionel for repair or replacement. First time I have ever had an issue with a Lionel engine out of the box.
Goodness, are all the folks that got #364 having this kind of issue? 
I have 364. Put it on track last night and now it is shorting out. Roof hatch was nearly impossible to open unless pried off. I immediately boxed it up and it is going straight to Lionel to get fixed. The roof was a disaster!
The hatch is an illustration of how a minor item can really create a problem for a manufacturer. One little flaw really creates a firestorm.
I P/U my Amtrak #207 from Great Lakes Hobby. Out of the box I did not have any issues that have been posted above. The hatch came off if I wiggled it from side to side using the fans for leverage. On the track it ran well. Both couplers opened. No signs of pitting on the couplers. Both number boards illuminated. I like the sound of the horn and bell. As far as smoke I would not know because I turn off the smoke units on all my diesels. Just my preference. But I smoke my steamers to the hilt. Still using the generic crew talk. I would like to see Lionel go back to calling out the road number of the engine. I will give her a good work out at the Blue Water Train Show in Port Huron, MI on April 23, 2017.
Victor
SO GRJ and others, Are you saying Unit #364 is "down the hatch?"
WEll I ordered Phase II and have not herd of any issues with that loco. I am sticking with my K-line Phase II though....
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If the hatch was the only problem, it would have been posted with a glowing review and the hatch mentioned as an afterthought. I fixed the hatch on my first one in a couple of minutes as good as new. A little fine sandpaper flat on the bench and a quick touch-up of the sides and the hatch didn't stick anymore.
As I mentioned on the other F40PH tread, the powered unit lacks weight. The pilot and truck castings are very thin. I can see lots of broken truck side frames and shattered pilots in the future due to the thin castings. Definitely these components will not take a fall to the ground as what sometimes happens. The lack in heft is a disappointment in what is otherwise a well done unit with some interesting features.
The constant cost cutting and "cheapening" seems to be a persistent constant of frustration with Lionel. JLC always looks for ways to cut costs and that corporate philosophy is still part of Lionel to this day. Lionel saved 1/2 pound in material costs (whatever that 1/2 pound in materials cost) in the design chosen for the F40PH. It is difficult to argue with the practice since Lionel is still here when so many others have perished. Having said that, I still want my units to have the heft that is not present on the F40PH.
If I find the weight to be too obnoxious, I'll correct it. Here's my way of adding an extra pound to my HHP-8, did wonders for the pulling power.
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Thinner side frames on the trucks and a thinner pilot are so much more prototypical. I'd see that as a positive feature for scale enthusiasts. That is the major complaint I've had about most cast locomotive trucks. Athearn had this issue in HO until they finally started doing the side frames in plastic. More flexible, less likely to break and more scale. Many two railers will mill off the inside edge of truck side frames to make them look better.
For added weight, the old practice was to add aftermarket weights. Once the warranty has expired, not a hard thing to do. I agree that a heavier locomotive provides better traction. Based on the photos' I've seen, these look nice enough to 2 rail.
I wonder is brass was used for the castings. Brass makes for much stronger and thinner parts than Zamak alloys. I am not going to scratch to find out.
Well add one of my three to the list on going back to Lionel. My amtrak 388 phase 3 unit died in spectacular fashion today. i was attempting to lash it up with one of my csx units to try out the pair feature and i always test the speeds of both locos before coupling them. I know its not necessary just a habit i guess. i noticed when doing the test before coupling them together that the amtrak units slow speed operation was very choppy. It just didn't seem very happy at all. All the of the f40 i received all seem to be in desperate need of lubrication they just don't run very smoothly. I had ran the csx unit a bit the other night so i thought maybe the amtrak unit needed a bit of breaking in. So i set it to medium speed and just let her roll. on the second go around of small loop of track she proceeded to burst in a shower of sparks and which tripped the breaker on my power master. i thought the unit had just derailed it had just passed through a switch. so while im attempting to reset the breaker i begin to smell a very strange smell and look over and its lost in a cloud of white smoke coming out the smoke exhaust and under front an rear of the frame by the trucks. I was pretty surprised to say the least. Ive seen some units die but never quite in this spectacular fashion. luckily my office is right across from the restroom so i could turn on the exhaust fan to remove the smoke. after letting the room air out i started some investigating. No derailment appears to be some kind of electrical failure. The shell of the loco was very warm to the touch for at least 5 minutes after this happened. It probably wouldn't have burned my hand but definitely warmer than i wanted to be handling. I gave it a minute to cool down and I removed the shell just to see what could have gone wrong. To my surprise which I'm no gunrunner john or any of our other technicians around here, but nothing appeared burned or charred. No obvious failures at least that my untrained eye could find. The smell of burnt electronics was very overwhelming. I"m sure the Lionel tech will love to open this return. I did try to repower the unit with the with body removed and its just kind of sizzles. no movement or response. Breaker trips after a few seconds. So off to Lionel she will go tomorrow. I really love these units. I hate that their have been so many issues. I would never bash Lionel. I hope y'all don't have the same issue and like always im sure Lionel will make it right. The reason I've never had harsh words for Lionel is the've always made it right. When they don't let the bashing begin.
gunrunnerjohn posted:If I find the weight to be too obnoxious, I'll correct it.
45 acp?
gunrunnerjohn posted:If I find the weight to be too obnoxious, I'll correct it.
With these so hard to find these days, where did you get your hhp8? I just saw one on ebay but it quickly was sold.
audi posted:gunrunnerjohn posted:If I find the weight to be too obnoxious, I'll correct it.
45 acp?
But of course.
@T1Titan_ZachF posted:With these so hard to find these days, where did you get your hhp8? I just saw one on ebay but it quickly was sold.
Believe it or not, I did find it on eBay. I just put in a search for this specific model, the one with cruise, larger motors, and Railsounds 5. I got it for $240 from Trainz a while back.
I had the same electrical smell/short problem on my 2nd run on track. My unit is packed up and ready to go back tomorrow. I am afraid it is fried. Tripped breaker multiple times and that's all she wrote.
John Quogue RR posted:I had the same electrical smell/short problem on my 2nd run on track. My unit is packed up and ready to go back tomorrow. I am afraid it is fried. Tripped breaker multiple times and that's all she wrote.
Did yours send sparks flying everywhere I've just never seen one go out like that before.
I am so sorry to have to join this discussion. My 364 has been running great. See "Weekend at the Movies." Then, while doing some early Sunday morning running before the grandkids got here for an Easter Egg hunt, it stopped short. And, the short light showed on the TMCC lockon. Remove locomotive from rails, no short. A careful inspection of the trucks and pick-up rollers shows nothing amiss that I can see. Put locomotive back on rails: short.
I tried putting in "program," still short. Check the passenger cars, they were not the problem. Looks like I have an internal short of some kind. Will be calling Dealer (RO) today for further instructions.
I was hoping to take it to our show this week, and show it off, especially since some Amtrak folks will be there with an Operation Lifesaver presentation. Then again, they are probably used to this....... 
I'm eager to find out what's shorting in these, that seems to be a frequent issue! Mine both operated perfectly, it was just all the other stuff that was off. Of course, I didn't get much running time before they were back in the box and out the door...
Mine didn't spark, just a dead short. In mail back to them today. Of course other engines on same track perfectly fine. Bad smell after the short.
What is going on with Lionel. That last few engines to be released have had numerous problems, and now the F40PH. It is starting to make me re-think whether I want to purchase anything in the future. Jeremy--My one F40 that does run also was a little choppy running. I lubricated and oiled everything and ran them a lot for the grandkids all weekend. I wouldn't say it is perfect, but it is better.
base11 posted:What is going on with Lionel. That last few engines to be released have had numerous problems, and now the F40PH. It is starting to make me re-think whether I want to purchase anything in the future. Jeremy--My one F40 that does run also was a little choppy running. I lubricated and oiled everything and ran them a lot for the grandkids all weekend. I wouldn't say it is perfect, but it is better.
When I first ran mine around the layout, it sounded a little rusty, I guess the factory doesn't lubricate the trucks well before they ship out the locomotives. But after some persistent running the "rustiness" subsided.
base11 posted:What is going on with Lionel. That last few engines to be released have had numerous problems, and now the F40PH. It is starting to make me re-think whether I want to purchase anything in the future. Jeremy--My one F40 that does run also was a little choppy running. I lubricated and oiled everything and ran them a lot for the grandkids all weekend. I wouldn't say it is perfect, but it is better.
I plan on getting my two csx units oiled up tonight they both seem to operate very well they are just really dry. I hope it helps that really bothers me.
Has anyone made a video of the CSX F40? Does it have the same sounds as the phase 3 models?
The arcing and grinding sounds, or are you talking about something else?
@T1Titan_ZachF posted:Has anyone made a video of the CSX F40? Does it have the same sounds as the phase 3 models?
Not a great video but here ya go. Seems to be identical as the phase 3 I was in the process of repcording the csx units with my Amtrak phase 3 until it bit the dust
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Which one bit the dust Jeremy? The Amtrak or CSX units?
prrhorseshoecurve posted:Which one bit the dust Jeremy? The Amtrak or CSX units?
Amtrak unit. one of my csx units has a number board flickering and doesn't seem to operate as smoothly as the other so I'm kind of nervous about it as well
The flickering number board was the prelude to one I watched die recently. I think there's some wiring that's being sanded by a flywheel and shorting out. The rough running also would indicate some binding of the motors, think flywheel rubbing on something.
My problem didn't occur and the unit didnt short out until after i reprogrammed to engine 36, of course after I got the very sticky roof off. When I was running as engine 1 the first weekend i didnt have any problems. Problem occurred after I reprogrammed my unit then the engine shorted out and seemed to be stuck.
I can assure you that reprogramming the ID didn't cause it to short out.
Yes of course, I think the flywheel theory is a very good one. Lets see what they say, mine made it back to Lionel on Wednesday!
I know they're busy fixing these, I think QC at the factory took a vacation for this run!
Its funny, i think your theory is right because the short didn't occur until after i had a good 10-15 minutes of run time.
Also the front trucks wouldn't roll almost like they were off gear, but the back ones did roll. Not like gears were stripped in front, they were just stuck.
Lots of QC issues in this batch, it'll be interesting to see what I get back when my two units come back to me.
I'm going to add my CSX 9999 to the list of engines that are dead. Didn't even get to start it up. Was programming the remote and went to change the engine # and as soon as I turned power on the red short light came on. I also have CSX 9998 and it is running fine so far. No blinking light, runs smooth, so far so good. Has been running about 15 to 20 minutes so far
Sounds like a recall situation to me. Gun runner have they ever had to do a whole engine recall that you remember?
I've never heard of a total engine recall, but I guess it could have happened. The wheels sure fell off this release, that seems certain.
I'm hoping this is a one-off issue and we can return to sanity soon. I got a notice that my Cabbage unit is on it's way back, hopefully I'll see it before York. I'm really eager to get the powered unit as well and put it through it's paces. I will admit, I'll probably risk the warranty issues and open it up and inspect it myself to make no silly stuff is waiting to bite me. I've been waiting for this one for some time, I'd like to actually get to run it without holding my breath! I have a bunch of Amtrak cars that are eagerly waiting for power.
gunrunnerjohn posted:I'm hoping this is a one-off issue and we can return to sanity soon. I got a notice that my Cabbage unit is on it's way back, hopefully I'll see it before York. I'm really eager to get the powered unit as well and put it through it's paces. I will admit, I'll probably risk the warranty issues and open it up and inspect it myself to make no silly stuff is waiting to bite me. I've been waiting for this one for some time, I'd like to actually get to run it without holding my breath! I have a bunch of Amtrak cars that are eagerly waiting for power.
What kind of Amtrak cars do you have?
I think you will love the cabbage. Fortunately no issues for me on that one.
I already had the Cabbage, it had the rotting coupler that was caused by the corrosive lubricant that apparently the Chinese didn't think would cause any issues.
Hopefully it will come back with a new coupler!
Well, it needs a new lift bar that was rusting away from the spray as well. I have no idea what other damage was done, but I'll be looking it over pretty closely before it even hits the tracks!
Wow, I had a friend pick up his Amtrac Versions today, three times around his large Layout and they Died.....??? Something's going on, needs to be corrected and Fast....Good Luck with getting your engines repaired....
They need to come clean. There is no such thing as a coincidence. If people are supposed to buy the product in future, gotta tell the truth. Close to$500 is not chump change.
Sorry to report my #364 among the defective units. It has a couple of hours on it, but the rh marker board started blinking along with the amfleet coaches it was pulling!
has anyone gotten a repaired powered unit back from Lionel?
I sent mine last week, I will post the forum when I receive. I think it's official now this thing is a L E M O N.
