Here's the link.
I know I'll be buying my first starter set in a long while. I hope they do the TOS next. This could be a big seller outside the hobby. I did fact check the Kirk Car and it's correct otherwise Ryan would have to wear a Red Shirt at York in the fall. The add on cars have a familiar ring to them.
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Just when I think that Ryan can't find anything else I need.... he does this.
I normally don't like "gimmick-ey" toy trains but a Foghorn Leghorn boxcar??!!!!!! Boy'd have to be crazier than a rooster in a Chik-Fil-A to turn that down. 
MartyE posted:Here's the link.
I know I'll be buying my first starter set in a long while. I hope they do the TOS next. This could be a big seller outside the hobby. I did fact check the Kirk Car and it's correct otherwise Ryan would have to wear a Red Shirt at York in the fall.
I am holding out for the Scale version.
A very ambitious catalog imho. So much licensed stuff! Can James Bond and MAD Magazine be far behind? Also love the military cars and pin ups (for those who don't have to ask permission from the Ms).
The 0-6-0T. But surprise they added artist drawn smoke when it won't have smoke. Wonder how many will think it's also a smoker?
A shame that they are still Pimpin' the Black Widow scheme......Time for some Red/Gray Bloody nose scheme on those Postwar F3 Lionchiefs.
Before I enlarged the Vision GS steamers page, I thought I was seeing a $999 price which would make sense because these engines are overdone
Another Lionel catalog which nothing of interest for me. Way too much Christmas product. My Lionel dealer also says it is too much (Christmas) holiday product. Still wanting some locomotive models that neither Lionel or MTH have not made yet.
I just ordered the Santa Fe E1 A/B set from Sunset Models / 3rd Rail though my Sunset Models / 3rd Rail dealer. They are not due out for at least a year. Their previous models run fine and are real nice so I wait.
Maybe MTH will surprise me with some new locomotive model(s) in new their catalog this April.
Very disappointed in how few options there are for modern diesels. The only thing that got my attention was the Amtrak black E8s.
I'm very curious about the auxiliary water tenders. Are those derived from the J3a Hudson's? Are they prototypical? I would've thought that they would've used the tooling from the old L3a Mohawk tenders.
The CNJ Baron SD40 set is quite nice, though. Hopefully this run of the SD40's retains the nice look of the kinematic pilots that the 2015 run did.
The Southern Pacific GS series are impressive but out of my price range. I might be in for the BNSF graffiti beer car, maybe Vision stock cars, and I'll probably get the Christmas Vacation illuminated boxcar.
A ton of great stuff in this catalog but I bought a lot from the 2019 catalogs so my train budget is a little thin this year.
I am impressed with the Christmas lighted FasTrack idea! Under a tree with twinkling lights, this set with lights in the track adds a great colorful light show under the tree. I am in for the set and perhaps additional track. Innovative! I would think it would sell pretty well, if Lionel can get it into some of the big chains to reach the public. Perhaps Menards will stock some for Christmas.
Just turned the page and saw the Christmas Light Express, with LEDs on the cars. If this will activate the lighted track, I might get this set instead, and add a loop of lighted track.
Ken-Oscale posted:I am impressed with the Christmas lighted FasTrack idea! Under a tree with twinkling lights, this set with lights in the track adds a great colorful light show under the tree. I am in for the set and perhaps additional track. Innovative! I would think it would sell pretty well, if Lionel can get it into some of the big chains to reach the public. Perhaps Menards will stock some for Christmas.
We were talking at the LHS the other day if they could make it so the lights follow the train around the track. How festive (or annoying) could that be?
Nice catalog. Lots of variety... must be someone is buying brand new trains.
My only quibble - for several years now - is I do not understand Lionel's pricing. The scale guys complain about high prices, but I guess they fail to notice that the prices for the traditional stuff are only a few dollars less than the much more costly to produce scale items.
The new style SP caboose is $75.00. A much more costly to produce scale caboose with detailed interior is $99.00. Huh? A newly tooled scale box car for $99.00... they're giving that away if you compare that price to a traditional box car from years old tooling.
A couple years ago when the Lionel Junction sets were cataloged, a separate sale Lionel Junction car was $45.00. Huh?? The new Standard O cataloged cars list at $45.00. Huh??? I just don't understand. For all the grumbling the scale guys do, it sure seems to me like Lionel is bending over backwards to keep the prices on scale rolling stock as low as possible. Ryan said as much at one of the recent TCA museum presentations.
As I told a Lionel rep some years ago, I want to buy a traditional train car and pay for that train car, not subsidize tooling for scale items, which in reality, need to be priced a lot higher.
Well, Lionel is free to do as they wish, just as I am. They can price the traditional cars as high as they want... which I'm sure is part of the logic for so many licensed tradtionally sized items. But I'm not obligated to buy them though, and am not going to. The one deal is the ore/hopper car six packs... too bad more dealers don't break them up.
Luckily for me there's still the used market, so the Brianel Repaint Shops will continue to be very active for the foreseeable future.
IT appears the clear winner for popularity would be the Preamble express especially those who are collecting the AFT.
The PRR Reefer set appear to be PFE cars repainted... the Atlas O trainman reefer from years past is more prototypical.
I have the superbly detailed MTH FM Trainmasters. A breakup of the PRR set without the loco I may have to seek
I already have the Weaver models Conrail Blue and white reefer. I will research if Conrail had a similar to the PCF [Pacific Car & Foundry] boxcar for hauling beer.
The Conrail Rotary coal cars will be a must.
The PRR TOFC I can add to my existing PRR TOFC set.
I too am curious of the Aux tenders for the T1
I'm on the fence of the PRR sleeper two packs.
I will have to research the B6 with the Atlantic tenders... Interesting combo though.
Bottom line the Scale side of this catalog I would choke it up to SP and West Coast RR fans for sure.
MartyE posted:Ken-Oscale posted:I am impressed with the Christmas lighted FasTrack idea! Under a tree with twinkling lights, this set with lights in the track adds a great colorful light show under the tree. I am in for the set and perhaps additional track. Innovative! I would think it would sell pretty well, if Lionel can get it into some of the big chains to reach the public. Perhaps Menards will stock some for Christmas.
We were talking at the LHS the other day if they could make it so the lights follow the train around the track.
Marty,
The way I read the description in the catalog, that's exactly what it does. According to the catalog, each track section lights up when there's a train on that section and the lights on that (each) section go out a few seconds after there's no longer a train on that piece of track.
Stu
I just wish they'd cease and desist creating plain Lion Chief engines, and make them all either + or 2.0. This includes RTR sets.
NOT LionelLLC posted:Marty,
The way I read the description in the catalog, that's exactly what it does. According to the catalog, each track section lights up when there's a train on that section and the lights on that (each) section go out a few seconds after there's no longer a train on that piece of track.
Stu
Well then, nevermind! Cool! Just re-read it and that's it. Cool!
As a Postwar guy, I am totally in on the Santa Fe PW-inspired set. That is a must have!
The 0-6-0T LC 2.0's look great (and at a great price) but already have one of those ordered from the 2019 catalog.
Still digesting the rest. I usually like to see a hard copy before I make final decisions. Great catalog!
Hey! Whos In for the "Christmas Story" Fragile Boxcar? Now this one should have the Railsounds "Banging moichandise" sound in it! 
Well, for me, Lionel has priced themselves out of business. One can't afford to buy the cars to be pulled behind the engines!
Was a bit disappointed with the catalog how many GS loco can one market take I was hopeful for a C&O streamline Hudson maybe just maybe something different between MTH and Lionel there are so many daylight loco out there, That does not mean there aren’t anything worth looking at I just feel this was a catalog LIONEL missed the mark on, For there 120th anniversary i would have made a vision line people can be excited about not just something that has been done to death, only good thing is I can save my money
Fortunately for the old wallet and credit card - which is still smoking from the last catalog - I already have the former release of the Reading T1 - a very nice model BTW with rounded underside boiler. The only item I can foresee pre-ordering is the Polar Express Hobo Car, and am glad Lionel is offering it in both the older and newer car liveries. The Snowflake 0-6-0 set and Elf work-train are interesting and will require careful review before committing to a pre-order.
The GSs with "reciprocating cylinder steam", plus the dynamo steam looks to be a good show! I look forward to a video, I could be tempted if it looks really cool!
"Elf work-train are interesting and will require careful review before committing to a pre-order"
So there is one good example of what I mean about the pricing! The set breaks down to right at $50 per each little bitty car! Something that should sell for half of that! Someone at Lionel is getting rich!
Like the catalog but the prices are really creeping up
josef posted:The 0-6-0T. But surprise they added artist drawn smoke when it won't have smoke. Wonder how many will think it's also a smoker?
Put your glasses on! It has fan driven smoke.
I gotta get the lighted Fastrack for under the tree.
Really like the Friendship Train and will be getting that.
The 0-6-0T engines - I see 2 of those in my future to MU/Lash-up.
The sound boxcars and cattle cars (though I really just want the sound car - perhaps someone will be selling individually after they are released).
I like a few of the Milk Cars, the Christmas Story and Christmas Vacation boxcars.
Need time to digest it all.
-Greg
Mikado 4501 posted:I'm very curious about the auxiliary water tenders. Are those derived from the J3a Hudson's? Are they prototypical? I would've thought that they would've used the tooling from the old L3a Mohawk tenders.
The CNJ Baron SD40 set is quite nice, though. Hopefully this run of the SD40's retains the nice look of the kinematic pilots that the 2015 run did.
They are not correct. The tenders shown in the catalog are from the NYC Hudsons that were just released and are too short. The correct tender should come from a NYC Mohawk. A correct tender is in the works from another source.
Too much Southern Pacific. And, I'm an SP railman. Agree the modern diesels are too limited. The new Pennsylvanias are of interest.
My Southern Belle diesels are wearing out. I was hoping they would be offering replacements in this catalog.
It’s all very.. unaffordable.
Anyone else having trouble loading the catalog? I get the first few pages, then a few tiny bits of pages and then nothing at all. Been trying for a half hour. On my ipad.
Dave Warburton posted:Anyone else having trouble loading the catalog? I get the first few pages, then a few tiny bits of pages and then nothing at all. Been trying for a half hour. On my ipad.
It won't download....
Having lots of trouble loading the catalog, Lionel’s website crashing?
Like if I could see it, I would tell you what I like.
Tempted by the Friendship Train. Would be nice to know how many cars Lionel is planning on making.
Vision line CNW stock car set is a must.
Can't read the catalog, I'll wait until I get to the store and get a paper copy.
I'm having trouble downloading it also.
Big Jim posted:"Elf work-train are interesting and will require careful review before committing to a pre-order"
So there is one good example of what I mean about the pricing! The set breaks down to right at $50 per each little bitty car! Something that should sell for half of that! Someone at Lionel is getting rich!
Must be using a standard formula for pricing cars in sets. The cars in the 120TH Deluxe Lionchief Plus 2.0 F3 set calculate to be $54.00 each using a street price of $899.99 for the complete set.
I calculated the cars price as follows;
Set Price = $899.99 minus $629.99 for the F3 Engines, leaves $270.00 spread over five cars. $270 divided by 5 = $54.00 per car.
***ETA*** I used the prices listed on Pat's Trains website for my calculation above.
Lots of great Southern Pacific and other items. However, My train Budget will not reach most items in this catalog (ouch!!
). I might order 1 or 2 cars towards the back of catalog.
Joe Gozzo
Oh, boy....what l could fill this catalog with! I would take three of those brass Vanderbilt tenders, and the #90, IF the tenders were available, and #90 was a Decapod.. neither likely...leaving a Grande reefer and three Q stock cars. Disappointing...
$$$$$$$$$$$$!
Whew! Well, I won't be buying again (now where's my nitro pills?).
Being a Strasburg fan, I'll definitely be ordering that Strasburg station and while it seems overpriced at $99 being a generic Lionel station and not authentic to the actual Strasburg station thst had a different roof and split foundation, I'll settle for it since it is the only station available anywhere in a Strasburg scheme. As for the Strasburg J tower, I'll waIt to see it in person to determine whether it's a significant improvement over the MTH one I currently have. (If it was automated with the signalman descending the steps I'd definitely get it )
I will get that set of Strasburg billboards but as to the new Strasburg Lionchief set I'm undecided. While it has the same incorrect 0-8-0 engine and not being a Lionchief plus 2.0 engine with speed control, I was thinking of converting my conventional set to TMCC but now I'm in a conumdrum wondering if breaking up my conventional set to sell off piecemeal and yse the money from the sales to buy the new set would be a better financial option than doing the TMCC conversion I've long planned to do I also notice the new set doesn't include the Cherry Hill station that Lionel will now sell seperately for $20.
Finally, I will definitely purchase the Lionchief Plus 2.0 Polar Express Berkshire.
Btw, I see the skiing hobo observation car is NOW available to everyone without joining the LCCA.
That's it for me and glad the catalog isn't a budget buster for me
Grampstrains posted:TheDude23112 posted:Dave Warburton posted:Anyone else having trouble loading the catalog? I get the first few pages, then a few tiny bits of pages and then nothing at all. Been trying for a half hour. On my ipad.
It won't download....
I think there are too many trying to download at once. I'll wait until later today.
That’s my guess, too. Try later. I tried my wife’s PC (Chrome) and no go there, either.
Thanks to everyone for their advice!
Several people have posted about "downloading" the catalog. Are you actually trying to download it or just view it?
Past catalogs have included an option to download the catalog as a PDF file. But, for some reason this catalog does not offer a download option. The 2020 AF catalog has a download option, but the 2020 Big Book does not.
ogaugeguy posted:...................... As for the Strasburg J tower, I'll waIt to see it in person to determine whether it's a significant improvement over the MTH one I currently have. (If it was automated with the signalman descending the steps I'd definitely get it ).........
Lionel has seemingly forgotten how to make 445 switch towers, except for the variety that is burning. The most recent 6-12917 version was last done in 1996.
-Dave
josef posted:The 0-6-0T. But surprise they added artist drawn smoke when it won't have smoke. Wonder how many will think it's also a smoker?
It's in the 2019 Volume 2 Catalog, and it states it has fan driven smoke. If it comes without smoke, it won't be coming home with me. Hard to believe the additional roadnames in the current catalog would suddenly omit a pretty important feature to probably a majority of folks.
Briefly got as far as the page with the 85th anniversary Gateman and the 356. then get stuck at this now every time I try to reload.
PDF or HTML, please! (yes, I'm fine with a list and I'll click forward and back - better than this 3DIssue garbage). This flippy page gimmick isn't worth the problems.
edit: It's getting better now I can see blank white pages in 3DIssue. Woo hoo!
-Dave
The PPLX coalporters (rotary gondolas) originally listed in 2016, V2 are on page 80, along with a bunch of other road names. Surprisingly, they are listed at the same prices from 2016 - 4 pack for $279 and 2 pack for $139. Still a bit steep. If I remember right, sometime last year there was a post about production issues in Eastern Europe regarding this run of cars.
On page 78, there are 3 packs of 2 bay hoppers listed for $279. While I'd love to have the Ontario & Western set, these hoppers aren't worth $93.33 each. Unfortunately, O&W freight cars are far and few between.
The SD40-2s are offered in 054 again......not everyone has the room for that radius.
This is interesting, it is listed in Pat's Trains 2020 Lionel Signature Edition web pages. Really detracts from the "exclusivity" of the similar item offered by the LCCA railroad club. The catalogued version does show "Polar Express" above the windows which I believe is different than the LCCA car as illustrated in this thread.
GregM posted:This is interesting, it is listed in Pat's Trains 2020 Lionel Signature Edition web pages. Really detracts from the "exclusivity" of the similar item offered by the LCCA railroad club. The catalogued version does show "Polar Express" above the windows which I believe is different than the LCCA car as illustrated in this thread.
Item Number 2027800 - THE POLAR EXPRESS Skiing Hobo Observation Car - Black Roof
I can agree to an extent, but it's good that they actually made it as a second version to match the older sets without snow (for all the people with the older sets who did not "start over" by buying a snowy roof set).
Hopefully someday (maybe that's today, I can't see the catalog yet ) they will offer a "snow" version of the conductor announcement car.
-Dave
I'd be in for the Chessie auxiliary water tender but alas it appears to be wrong. The length listed seems close but the picture matches the J3a Hudson tender and not the correct L3a Mohawk tender. Sadly, they have had correct tooling (minus the coal bunker cover) since the early 1990s. The J3a tender is way too short. Hopefully it is correct.
Can't view it in Edge, Chrome or IE White blank pages come up.
At $45 I'll pick up one of the rail boxes.
Possibly the British Hall set.
And on the fence on the annual Christmas car. I've collected them since early 90s, But this one is just downright ugly!
Jeez it has been exclusive for 2 years. I suspect the LCCA had an exclusive setup for a limited time.
Whats the deal with the price on the E8's?
For the price of 2 powered/ 2 sound locomotives I get 2 powered, 1 with sound.
Really wish they would just add sound to each.
MartyE posted:Jeez it has been exclusive for 2 years. I suspect the LCCA had an exclusive setup for a limited time.
Since when does "exclusive" have a time limit? I don't have one of the LCCA cars, I am not even a member of LCCA, so I am not invested in this in anyway, However, those who did purchase the car from LCCA for a premium price might have a different opinion regarding their "exclusive" purchase now. LCCA advertised that the car would ONLY be available through LCCA which while technically still true because of the differences between the cars, I would believe I was misled had I been a LCCA member and bought one of the cars. YMMV.
**ETA*** Wife was telling me to come eat lunch when I was proofreading my post. I have corrected a spelling error and changed the ending of a sentence. These changes won't show up in posts where this post was quoted before I made the changes.
A lot of things that are exclusive have a finite exclusive period.
I will probably go for the Reading coaches because I have been hoping Jersey Central/Reading cars get made correctly. It is hard to stomach that price though.
There is a ton of stuff in this catalog that much is certain. I don't quite yet know what all I will be ordering, there are some things that caught my eye. The VL stuff looks fantastic but not for me this trip around. See what else I can look at when I get home. Hopefully it loads better than my phone.
I have no trouble viewing the catalog. Too much kid stuff. Too much Christmas stuff. I'll stay with collecting prewar, & building my N gauge layout.
Whew, a LONG wait for the catalog, but not being a GS fan,....... my wait will be even longer............
Hats off to Lionel for keeping a lid on a pre-release of the Catalog this time.
MARTYE and GREGM, I purchased this car from the LCCA when it was first available and had my membership extended as part of the purchase.
Also, I recall years ago purchasing a Polar Express animated billboard advertised at that time exclusively available from the LCCA A few years later, Lionel did catalog and make that PE animated billboard available to the public but with a different photo on the billboard. I'm not an expert in such things but I'm guessing that change legally allowed the earlier LCCA version to maintain it's "exclusive" status.
Going to pre-order the Southern Ry Buy War Bonds 0-8-0 to pull my Chattanooga Express cars. Also will eventually get the Southern Trainmasters and E8s but I no longer place high price pre-orders.
Greg Houser posted:josef posted:The 0-6-0T. But surprise they added artist drawn smoke when it won't have smoke. Wonder how many will think it's also a smoker?
Put your glasses on!
I gotta get the lighted Fastrack for under the tree.
Really like the Friendship Train and will be getting that.
The 0-6-0T engines - I see 2 of those in my future to MU/Lash-up.
The sound boxcars and cattle cars (though I really just want the sound car - perhaps someone will be selling individually after they are released).
I like a few of the Milk Cars, the Christmas Story and Christmas Vacation boxcars.
Need time to digest it all.
-Greg
Thanks. I did miss that. It will be interesting to see how a fan driven smoke unit, boards, and speaker will fit.
Why are the ES44AC $50 less that they were in the 2019 v1 catalog. Non-powered are the same price in both catalogs. I wonder what they are removing from this batch the has resulted in a decrease in price.
Surefire posted:Whats the deal with the price on the E8's?
For the price of 2 powered/ 2 sound locomotives I get 2 powered, 1 with sound.
Really wish they would just add sound to each.
Surefire,
For years Lionel sold their AA units as one powered one non powered. I have the E8 PRR 5 Stripe version which was in this configuration. Never found that they could not pull anything I placed behind them. Oh by the way the list price was $999.99 just like these. Now Lionel is changing all their AA units as two powered units for the same $999.99. If both were powered and both had sound Lionel would raise the price to $1099.99. Just my guess. Still as they now come you are still ahead of how they were.
By the way I never missed not having sound in my non powered engine I don’t think you will ever notice it.
JohnB
What I like for purchase is immaterial at this point in life 
. What I like in terms of keeping the hobby alive is sets that will have street prices (such as from Nassau Hobbies, Charles Ro etc.) of under $225 and LionChief locos at under $200. Standard O freight cars with street prices in the $35 range street price (reduced details). They clearly are hearing the desire for more modestly priced equipment. There is really little to no competition at those price points, and this is from Lionel, the current and former high price provider to the hobby . Still a chunk of dough, but likely more affordable to today's families than the prices of Lionel equipment in the 1950s were to most families. Pleased to see it happening. Have one of the under $200 LC locos and while it doesn't have speed control, it's reasonable value for the price these days.
Things might be getting better. Catalog loaded quickly for me and all pages viewable.
DaveSlie posted:Mikado 4501 posted:I'm very curious about the auxiliary water tenders. Are those derived from the J3a Hudson's? Are they prototypical? I would've thought that they would've used the tooling from the old L3a Mohawk tenders.
The CNJ Baron SD40 set is quite nice, though. Hopefully this run of the SD40's retains the nice look of the kinematic pilots that the 2015 run did.
They are not correct. The tenders shown in the catalog are from the NYC Hudsons that were just released and are too short. The correct tender should come from a NYC Mohawk. A correct tender is in the works from another source.
Thanks Dave. I thought as much. Hopefully, the tenders will bare resemblance to something more like reality. Lionel should still have the tooling for the L3a Mohawks they did in the 90’s, unless they got destroyed and might go with new tooling.
If the latter’s the case, hopefully a LEGACY NYC L3a Mohawk with whistle steam would be inevitable.
Hopefully, as well, the new trailing truck part will later be available on the parts website for those who bought the 2016 Chessie T-1 since it’s the only one of the T-1 schemes that was not brought back this year despite now having a matching set of passenger cars AND a matching water tender in this catalog...I dunno.
I’m going for the “ Quillable Cow”! Can’t decide which road name.
It's a huge catalog with lots of items. I think I'll order one of the new "Beer Cars" and add the black roof Polar Express Hobo on Ski's observation car.
Nothing
I'm in for at least the scale PE hobo car.
Nothing. The Vision Line stuff is way too expensive and the O gauge stuff is kind of dumb. I haven't gotten anything "new" if a long time; I have gotten some real nice stuff on the "used" market at an affordable price that I am not afraid to run. I guess I'll just keep doing that.
This is one of the highlights IMO. If this set doesn't sell well I have no answers.
Always wanted a brass hybrid but that GS Vision price is daunting! I will think about that one some more. I may get the following:
120th Super chief Santa Fe set
Scale Snowflake set
Amtrak E8 - that paint scheme is great
MartyE posted:This is one of the highlights IMO. If this set doesn't sell well I have no answers.
I agree with MartyE except I'm a child of the 50's and I have all that original stuff and it's still great.
I couldn't resist the Chateau Martin boxcar to store all my "MILK" products. I just need to figure out how to work it in with my vineyard scene. The color is going to make it standout.
Wow, I just finished going through the catalog and my brain has received too much stimulation just now.
All I gotta say to sum up my thoughts is on the scale rolling stock. Stated, hidden uncoupler tabs baby. Bye bye thumb tacks.
I think I will pickup the Strasburg RR set, I'm all diesel and I am ready for a steam engine for a change.
But I will surely fancy that 120th Super Chief Santa Fe set in the catalog! Really tempting, but way out of my budget.
Paul Kallus posted:Fortunately for the old wallet and credit card - which is still smoking from the last catalog - I already have the former release of the Reading T1 - a very nice model BTW with rounded underside boiler. The only item I can foresee pre-ordering is the Polar Express Hobo Car, and am glad Lionel is offering it in both the older and newer car liveries. The Snowflake 0-6-0 set and Elf work-train are interesting and will require careful review before committing to a pre-order.
Paul, I like the hobo car, too. I have the original set from 2014 (black roof), and I think it’s great they still catalog stuff to go with it. But, I’m a little gun shy after the black roof RPO was such a color mismatch for the original set. Also, the cataloged black roof hobo car in this catalog has the lettering in the wrong place to match the rest of the set (the 2014 black roofs have the lettering above the windows). So, to work with the original set, the as-built car needs to match the catalog from a color perspective, but vary from a lettering standpoint. That’s a bit of a gamble on a $220 car.
The GS-1 is really talking to me. I hate that. I like the Pilot version of locos when offered, but, somehow, the brass ones do not appeal to me as much as the die-cast. Odd, as I love brass locos in general.
Anyway. I have wondered if the GS-1 would ever get known. Now - will it ever get made? I am tempted, probably (?) by a painted one.
The TOFC cars look good. The "Mason-Dixon" name is very familiar.
MartyE posted:This is one of the highlights IMO. If this set doesn't sell well I have no answers.
A fantastic offering for us Postwar lovers.
Only one thing is missing; Magne-Traction
DaveSlie posted:Mikado 4501 posted:I'm very curious about the auxiliary water tenders. Are those derived from the J3a Hudson's? Are they prototypical? I would've thought that they would've used the tooling from the old L3a Mohawk tenders.
The CNJ Baron SD40 set is quite nice, though. Hopefully this run of the SD40's retains the nice look of the kinematic pilots that the 2015 run did.
They are not correct. The tenders shown in the catalog are from the NYC Hudsons that were just released and are too short. The correct tender should come from a NYC Mohawk. A correct tender is in the works from another source.
Dave, I know nothing about the prototype and would like to learn more. But, the catalog indicates they are 12” long which actually seemed big to me. How big should they be? I might get an undecorated one for use with other stuff.
Saw it. Watching grass grow is more exciting.
gunrunnerjohn posted:Can't read the catalog, I'll wait until I get to the store and get a paper copy.
If you want to take a look at mine when I stop by tomorrow for that Reading engine, I’d be happy to do so! There are a couple great deals and some that make me cringe... although I may still end up ordering a Vision engine anyway.
- Matt
VinceL posted:Several people have posted about "downloading" the catalog. Are you actually trying to download it or just view it?
Past catalogs have included an option to download the catalog as a PDF file. But, for some reason this catalog does not offer a download option. The 2020 AF catalog has a download option, but the 2020 Big Book does not.
I created a PDF of the catalog by selecting all pages to print and when the printer selection panel appeared, I selected "Save as PDF". This was on a Windows 10 machine. YMMV.
Note the change in the columnar page comparing the three features of LC, LC+ and LC 2.0 . In the 2019 Big Book, there were four columns, the fourth being for Legacy. LC 2.0 offers very little less than Legacy. In fact it is comparable to original TMCC. My question: How much longer will Legacy live, if LC 2.0 is nearly comparable?
MartyE posted:This is one of the highlights IMO. If this set doesn't sell well I have no answers.
I think the MSRP will be one answer why it may not sell as well as desired. Even with street price discounts.
I just received my hard copy of the catalog in the mail. All I can say is it is dominated by the GS series of steam and Christmas items. I might preorder one of the CSX ES44AC units for the military. The Amtrak E8’s are still the top choice. The Coors beer cars are nice and hopefully the rotary gondolas come to fruition.
These are the locomotives I wanted to see but I guess I will have to wait:
Norfolk Southern SD70ACC Yellow cab #1800
Norfolk Southern ACC6M DC/AC Black cab #4002
Norfolk Southern AC446M Blue cabs #4000 & 40001
Canadian Pacific SD70ACU military units (all 5)
SCL Diesels (pretty much anything scale)
Goody posted:Note the change in the columnar page comparing the three features of LC, LC+ and LC 2.0 . In the 2019 Big Book, there were four columns, the fourth being for Legacy. LC 2.0 offers very little less than Legacy. In fact it is comparable to original TMCC. My question: How much longer will Legacy live, if LC 2.0 is nearly comparable?
It's not comparable IMO. 200 speed steps, quilling whistle, lighting effects, to name a few. Unless somehow LC+2.0 can do everything Legacy does now then it can't compete.
The Vision Express set is on my list... if one of the engines is $2k why not spend a few dollars extra and get the best of the vision stock car and reefer sets plus 2 - PS-1 sound boxcars and a cupola cam. Seems like a no brainer to me...
I’m tempted the look at the GS-4 too with the dynamo smoke but if its going to be the same hassle to load the smoke unit as the challenger and the big boy then I won’t bother... b/c I hate not being able to confirm whether I’m actually getting the fluid in correctly so I just don’t use the feature... guess they’ll be a wait and see.
Also in for the Wings of Angels cars and the new PS-4’s with 40’ trailers. Love that they come of with some new paint schemes. A big fan indeed!
Also love the PE hobo car... really glad someone mentioned that there was a paint match issue with the last new release as I also have the 2014 series...
Overall, I think the catalog was a success and find myself once again checking under the couch cushions for the answer!
gunrunnerjohn posted:josef posted:The 0-6-0T. But surprise they added artist drawn smoke when it won't have smoke. Wonder how many will think it's also a smoker?
It's in the 2019 Volume 2 Catalog, and it states it has fan driven smoke. If it comes without smoke, it won't be coming home with me. Hard to believe the additional roadnames in the current catalog would suddenly omit a pretty important feature to probably a majority of folks.
John,
Calm down, it says right in the new catalog that it has "fan driven smoke"! People need to learn to read instead of rumor!
SGP posted:I will probably go for the Reading coaches because I have been hoping Jersey Central/Reading cars get made correctly. It is hard to stomach that price though.
I almost regretted stepping up to the plate for the five car set of SGL Reading cars recently, but they were still way less than the new Lionel version.
I’m definitely in for the Preamble Express set. The pricing is terrific compared to buying two two-car sets of AFT cars.
The O-6-0T is still advertised with fan driven smoke. Why I didn’t order the PRR version before is beyond me. But I will now.
I love the Lionel Lines GS4 way more than I should considering the price. I may order it and passenger cars.
- Matt
BHalfway posted:
Also love the PE hobo car... really glad someone mentioned that there was a paint match issue with the last new release as I also have the 2014 series...
The paint mismatch was the RPO car only. The passenger cars matched perfectly.
Grampstrains posted:Big Jim posted:"Elf work-train are interesting and will require careful review before committing to a pre-order"
So there is one good example of what I mean about the pricing! The set breaks down to right at $50 per each little bitty car! Something that should sell for half of that! Someone at Lionel is getting rich!
According to your math, that would make the track, the remote and the elves free.
I was speaking of the "4-Pack" add on at $199.99.
Gotta say I'm disappointed. So that's probably a good thing for my bank account.
PA Anthracite posted:The PPLX coalporters (rotary gondolas) originally listed in 2016, V2 are on page 80, along with a bunch of other road names. Surprisingly, they are listed at the same prices from 2016 - 4 pack for $279 and 2 pack for $139. Still a bit steep. If I remember right, sometime last year there was a post about production issues in Eastern Europe regarding this run of cars.
On page 78, there are 3 packs of 2 bay hoppers listed for $279. While I'd love to have the Ontario & Western set, these hoppers aren't worth $93.33 each. Unfortunately, O&W freight cars are far and few between.
The SD40-2s are offered in 054 again......not everyone has the room for that radius.
Well then at what radius should the scale SD40-2 should turn on? A scale SD40-2 is generous to turn on 054 curve.
Canadian Pacific SD70ACU military units (all 5)
I figured it was too soon after reading the announcement of these to expect to see them in O Gauge. But in the back of my mind this morning I was hoping Lionel would prove me wrong. Please please please let’s see these in Vol. 2.
NS1975 posted:I just received my hard copy of the catalog in the mail...
You had mail delivered today? (I assume you don't live in the USA since Martin Luther King Day is a holiday for US postal carriers.)
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