http://www.lionelstore.com/category/Locomotives
Cat out of the bag?
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What cat?
It should go back into the bag...
Rusty
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Rusty Traque posted:It should go back into the bag...
Rusty
I have seen some ugly fantasy engines in my day, but this...is...just...WOW!?!? Speechless.
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That is one UGLY locomotive! 
I hope that's just a joke and not a real product offering! For $2,000, I'd certainly want something a little nice looking! 
As someone reminded me a few years ago when I complained about an MTH engine they did in a non prototype paint scheme for the CB&Q, "It's a TOY hobby, not a museum reproduction."
I agree, this is anything but good looking - and will not be on my wish list.
However, I am sure that a half dozen guys and gals will fall in love with it and find a way to put it in a display case, because in my opinion, that's where it should be.
Ray
One thing for sure, if they don’t get enough orders Lionel will cancel it.
Neal Jeter
It is really just two steps removed from what I do - blue MoPac Berkshires and Piper Cub Yellow SP Diesels.
I think they are trying to reproduce the paint scheme from the 49er. It was already done, so the market doesn't need another gaudy engine.
Rusty Traque posted:It should go back into the bag...
Rusty
Where did you see this monstrosity?
Dave
Well that's a thing, that's for sure.
It looks like it was taken off the site. I'm pretty sure it's fake judging by the sku # and ridiculousness of the paint 
It reminds me a bit of a Chinese locomotive. While it is extremely unappealing, I'd kinda like to see a sample. There's a lot of color going on there
david1 posted:Rusty Traque posted:It should go back into the bag...
Rusty
Where did you see this monstrosity?
Dave
The Lionel Store on their website. Along with a bunch of other 2 Grand Challengers.
However, they've since pulled all the 2019 stuff down.
Rusty
Keith6700 posted:It looks like it was taken off the site. I'm pretty sure it's fake judging by the sku # and ridiculousness of the paint
What's wrong with the sku # ? Looks legit to me.
Stu
NOT LionelLLC posted:Keith6700 posted:It looks like it was taken off the site. I'm pretty sure it's fake judging by the sku # and ridiculousness of the paint
What's wrong with the sku # ? Looks legit to me.
Stu
Unless Lionel recently changed their naming system for the 2019 line, it's always been "6-#####." It very well may be legitimate, but since they took down all their 2019 stuff off the site, I can't verify whether or not the rest of the new products have a different sku system as well. I hadn't looked at the thread about the new catalog until just now, but it looks like it probably is real. While I find it extremely unappealing, I think it's pretty neat and I'd love to see one once produced, if at all.
FWIW, I found the 2019 VL Challengers on the main Lionel site until they disappeared as well. I didn't see this particular one, the one I was looking was a more normal looking locomotive.
Keith6700 posted:NOT LionelLLC posted:Keith6700 posted:It looks like it was taken off the site. I'm pretty sure it's fake judging by the sku # and ridiculousness of the paint
What's wrong with the sku # ? Looks legit to me.
Stu
Unless Lionel recently changed their naming system for the 2019 line, it's always been "6-#####." It very well may be legitimate, but since they took down all their 2019 stuff off the site, I can't verify whether or not the rest of the new products have a different sku system as well.
Yes, Lionel started issuing SKU's in the new format late last year and the new SKU's are assigned to new projects as they are conceived. Right now it appears that we're in a transition phase as some long ago conceived products are announced with the old SKU format and more recently conceived products are being issued with the new SKU format.
For confirmation, these products have the new SKU format:
http://metca.org/Flyers/METCA%...der%20Form%20WEB.pdf
http://metca.org/Flyers/METCA%...der%20Form%20WEB.pdf
Stu
The SP Daylight Cab Forwards were hot sellers and I think that this fantasy Challenger may be a big seller if it is produced.
I was just got back from the National Train Show in Kansas City. Lionel was showing a prototype of a unpainted brass hybrid N&W J class 611. It looked awesome.
NH Joe
At least it would be easy to find on an extremely large layout!
"As someone reminded me a few years ago when I complained about an MTH engine they did in a non prototype paint scheme for the CB&Q, "It's a TOY hobby, not a museum reproduction."
Well, that old chestnut, again. And once again, whoever said that has no grasp of the fact that between the shallows of Scale Realism and the Great Abyss of the Sea of Silliness and Ugly, there is a lot of waist deep safe modeling that allows for reasonable departure from Gospel while still maintaining some grip on reality.
In other words, modeling-making-do when you have to is fine, but making a thing that is so absurd is not, and even downright misleading if viewed in public.
I have a RK 49'er 4-6-2 - nice model, high-end RK, I like it. I'm not a UP guy, and the paint scheme is, shall we say, busy, but it works on these Pacifics (the Mountains were cool, too). Art Deco gone wild. The Lionel 4-6-6-4 presentation is so bad, so egregious, that it actually makes their "Daylight" articulateds look...no, "good" is not possible, but, at least, somewhat graphically logical.
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Before the catalogue disappeared, I noticed that Lionel is bringing back 2 of the best things that they ever did: the USRA 2-6-6-2 and the USRA Light Mountain. All of them that I glimpsed (I wasn't there long) were reasonably "fantasy-schemed" (the RR's had 2-6-6-2's or 4-8-2's, but perhaps not these exact prototypes; nothing wrong with practical tooling reuse if done rationally).
NOT LionelLLC posted:Yes, Lionel started issuing SKU's in the new format late last year and the new SKU's are assigned to new projects as they are conceived. Right now it appears that we're in a transition phase as some long ago conceived products are announced with the old SKU format and more recently conceived products are being issued with the new SKU format.
For confirmation, these products have the new SKU format:
http://metca.org/Flyers/METCA%...der%20Form%20WEB.pdf
http://metca.org/Flyers/METCA%...der%20Form%20WEB.pdf
Stu
Do you know the reason for the format change? I always assumed that once they ran out of the 6- 5 digit numbers they'd just go into 6 digits.
