for you milwaukee aficionados.
i have seen williams F3's and lionel F3's in a grey (or is it brown?) livery with yellow bordered orange nose display and stripe running along the bottom of the unit's sides.
i assume this is a prototypical paint scheme. if it was, what time frame is it from and was it passenger, freight or dual purpose?
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I love these PW Scale units.
Pages 146 & 147 of the Jim Scribbins book the Milwaukee Road Remembered, contains the answer to your question about the paint scheme.
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charlie, how many pickup rollers on that lead A?
charlie, how many pickup rollers on that lead A?
I'll check for you tonight.
i have seen williams F3's and lionel F3's in a grey (or is it brown?) livery with yellow bordered orange nose display and stripe running along the bottom of the unit's sides.
i assume this is a prototypical paint scheme. if it was, what time frame is it from and was it passenger, freight or dual purpose?
The background color would have been grey, not brown. Illinois Central units were similar to the Milwaukee's, with the orange striping bordered with yellow, but with a dark brown background color.
Some of the Milwaukee Fs were in the livery you're describing, and some in the livery that appears on the Milwaukee Fs shown in the new catalog.
These engines could be seen pulling passenger as well as freight trains.
The Lionel Postwar engine paint scheme looks nice, but is not prototypical, with the "flame" front, and the orange color used was too reddish. Lionel did F units in the 90s (No. 18140) which were prototypically correct, for that particular Milwaukee livery.
Thanks again Southwest Hi for providing us with some great information.
Here are some photos of 3 of Milwaukee's liveries, all pulling freights.
Grey and orange paint scheme, pulling freight;
Another scheme, without the maroon stripe:
Below is the orange and maroon scheme, also pulling freight:
The Milwaukee didn't need rails - they could run these babies right on the grass:
Nice, breezinup. Thanks!
charlie, how many pickup rollers on that lead A?
4 Rollers.
Great, thanks.
Just as an aside: The Milwaukee had Mars lights on most of their cab engines, the first FT's being an exception. The early Lionel F-3's, the Williams F-3's and MTH's Railkink F3's all were made without a lower headlight opening. On the Milwaukee, the upper light was the Mars light; the lower was the actual headlight. You might check photos or look at the model to see if it is correctly represented before purchasing any model.
Paul Fischer
Just as an aside: The early Lionel F-3's, the Williams F-3's and MTH's Railkink F3's all were made without a lower headlight opening. On the Milwaukee, the upper light was the Mars light; the lower was the actual headlight. You might check photos or look at the model to see if it is correctly represented before purchasing any model.
Paul Fischer
All so-called "traditional" Lionel F-3s since Postwar days have only a single headlight opening. Lionel did their Postwar Scale engines to mimic Postwar style and colors, only with some added details, so those engines (including the Milwaukees, and the Postwar Scale Santa Fe Warbonnets are another example) only have a single headlight opening.
All of Lionel's scale F-3s and F-7s have Mars lights, if the prototypes had them. Not all railroads used them, of course, such as the Pennsy and Canadian Pacific.
All Lionel scale F units that I've seen have the Mars lights in the upper opening. So to, on all railroads I'm familiar with, the Mars light was the upper light, and the regular headlight was in the lower opening. There may have been some exceptions to this practice, but I don't know what they are. It's possible that Federal regulations dictated this practice, perhaps someone will know.
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