CincinnatiWestern posted:The GG1 is a lovely engine, but where is the love for the Milwaukee Roads fleet of electric marvels?
Beautiful like a bull dog, just not so pretty. I do wish I had a Bipolar I love them. j
You have overlooked the BEST one. The North Shore Electroliner! Simon 
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Dennis - great thread!! Thanks for posting! I've enjoyed the photos and commentary everyone has posted.
Regarding the beautiful GG-1, I read an at length article in Trains Magazine within the last decade, which unveiled a discovery stating that it was not Raymond Lowey who designed the GG - 1.... It was designed by a Westinghouse design engineer whose last name was Domer or perhaps spelled Dommer. The article went into convincing detail as to how this discovery was made, however I don't recall all of the details. I believe something to the effect that his granddaughter found the plans and wooden moch ups of the GG1 in Domer's belongings many years after his death. Did anyone here on the OGR Forum happened to read this article? I wish I'd have saved that article now.
According to the article Lowey's sole contribution, after viewing number 4800 ( now nicknamed Old Rivets ) was to change the body to welded sheets as opposed to riveted bolt sheets. It was Loweys opinion that welded sheets give the GG1 smoother optics. Somehow Lowey was given full credit for the total design of the GG1 when in fact ( according to the article ) it was one of Westinghouse's work a day designers who came up with the design concept. Lowey was brought in to give his input only after the first GG1 was already designed and built.
Meanwhile here are some shots of my Williams scale GG1s. 
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mwb posted:IT Class C
I second the class C. On top of liking the articulated electrics, the main body makes it look like an interurban that's been hot-rodded, or something straight out of a steampunk fantasy.
I expected to see a lot of GG1 posts but I'm happy to see there are others like me that find beauty in a boxcab.
Interesting thread and thanks to all for the pics! I can’t name any specific electric, but it probably would be from the early era, from somewhere in Europe, and not look like a brick on wheels 
I agree, the Milwaukee Road Bi-Polars were beautiful monsters of the rails. Also, The NYC S1 or S2 Electrics...
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coach joe posted:No votes for this?
It's still a toaster!
This is a photo of the gorgeous smaller scale display model of the Lionel green 5 stripe GG-1, #2332 made by Hallmark, in its acrylic case, and on the supplied track and base:
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GG1 4877 posted:No question in my mind:
Without a doubt the PRR GG1, everything else is a far second.
4800 is a little more industrial looking for those who prefer that look. The streamlined production version GG1 is the one I'm more attracted to because it still looked modern into retirement. 4800 is still a beautiful design.
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Well, I'd have to vote for the GG-1. After all, I own a few. Not pictured, 2 VL GG-1s.
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I do like "Old Rivets"
The most beautiful electric ever made? Hands down it's that little Steeple Cab that the wonderful stranger named Scale rail makes and sells. LOL Don
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trumptrain posted:Dennis - great thread!! Thanks for posting! I've enjoyed the photos and commentary everyone has posted.
Regarding the beautiful GG-1, I read an at length article in Trains Magazine within the last decade, which unveiled a discovery stating that it was not Raymond Lowey who designed the GG - 1.... It was designed by a Westinghouse design engineer whose last name was Domer or perhaps spelled Dommer. The article went into convincing detail as to how this discovery was made, however I don't recall all of the details. I believe something to the effect that his granddaughter found the plans and wooden moch ups of the GG1 in Domer's belongings many years after his death. Did anyone here on the OGR Forum happened to read this article? I wish I'd have saved that article now.
According to the article Lowey's sole contribution, after viewing number 4800 ( now nicknamed Old Rivets ) was to change the body to welded sheets as opposed to riveted bolt sheets. It was Loweys opinion that welded sheets give the GG1 smoother optics. Somehow Lowey was given full credit for the total design of the GG1 when in fact ( according to the article ) it was one of Westinghouse's work a day designers who came up with the design concept. Lowey was brought in to give his input only after the first GG1 was already designed and built.
Meanwhile here are some shots of my Williams scale GG1s.
I read that or a similar article, also. Besides eliminating the rivets, Lowey also changed details on the locomotive such as the marker lights, headlight surround, shape of the windows and others I cannot name at the moment.
coach joe posted:And then there are these two.
Oh my, the "Ugly Stick" was wielded at this design. Purely by chance, I caught this locomotive as it crossed County Line Road in Huntingdon Valley, Pa around 1979 or so. Only a mother could love it.....LOL
To me it's a no-brainer, the GG1 hands down. There is one version with Sans serif lettering that would be my pick of the best. As Lowey stated it's looks are pure power with elegance.
I do admire all electrics however. The EP-5s come in second, although not as close as some think. Milwaukee Road's electrics, while not particularly eye candy still have an azure to them.
There are no beautiful electrics.
I grew up where there weren't any. So the trains I saw that caught my eye were steam and early diesel. That attitude kind of stuck with me. When a friend got a Lionel GG1 for Christmas, I thought WTF is that?
Dennis
coach joe posted:No votes for this?
Earlier in the thread we have a Loaf of bread and now we have a Toaster. I think the crews called them Toasters. BUTTER !.......looking for butter. j
trumptrain posted:Dennis - great thread!! Thanks for posting! I've enjoyed the photos and commentary everyone has posted.
Regarding the beautiful GG-1, I read an at length article in Trains Magazine within the last decade, which unveiled a discovery stating that it was not Raymond Lowey who designed the GG - 1.... It was designed by a Westinghouse design engineer whose last name was Domer or perhaps spelled Dommer. The article went into convincing detail as to how this discovery was made, however I don't recall all of the details. I believe something to the effect that his granddaughter found the plans and wooden moch ups of the GG1 in Domer's belongings many years after his death. Did anyone here on the OGR Forum happened to read this article? I wish I'd have saved that article now.
According to the article Lowey's sole contribution, after viewing number 4800 ( now nicknamed Old Rivets ) was to change the body to welded sheets as opposed to riveted bolt sheets. It was Loweys opinion that welded sheets give the GG1 smoother optics. Somehow Lowey was given full credit for the total design of the GG1 when in fact ( according to the article ) it was one of Westinghouse's work a day designers who came up with the design concept. Lowey was brought in to give his input only after the first GG1 was already designed and built.
Meanwhile here are some shots of my Williams scale GG1s.
The article was in the Summer, 2009 issue of Classic Trains and had a title like
"Donald Dohner, The Man Who Designed 'Rivets'"
C'mon ya gotta love that B-B-B wheel arrangement on 1976.
CincinnatiWestern posted:The GG1 is a lovely engine, but where is the love for the Milwaukee Roads fleet of electric marvels?
Beautiful pictures.
Alan
I would agree that the best looking electric locomotive was the Milwaukee Road bi-polar in the red, orange and black colors. When it was pulling the early light weight Hiawatha passenger train there was nothing finer. The GG-1 body style was very good, but they were always painted in such drab colors.
I suppose some folks even like the venerable "toasters", but I believe deep down, if you really search your heart, it will tell you the GG1, now and forever! 
A GG1 in Milwaukee livery would have been awesome!
Somewhere out there is a GG1 in NYC Lightning Stripes, truly a beauty!
coach joe posted:Somewhere out there is a GG1 in NYC Lightning Stripes, truly a beauty!
Maybe a War Bonnet GG-1? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm pretty sure I've seen one of those too.
Tinplate Art posted:A GG1 in Milwaukee livery would have been awesome!
A custom painted American Models S Scale GG1 I noticed at S-Fest 2 years ago.
Rusty
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WOW! That is awesome! ☺
jhz563 posted:coach joe posted:No votes for this?
It's still a toaster!
May be a toaster....but I like toast....all the best...joe
It's an eye of the beholder thing for sure.
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Timothy,
Really beautiful - reminds me of a catalog I wore out as a boy!
GG-1 = Great Great One
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Timothy Sprague posted:It's an eye of the beholder thing for sure.
This beholder picks the one above. Nothing even close (IMO, of course).
Youse guys is ALL WRONG (so far). The most beautiful electrics that have ever been or ever will be are the Chicago South Shore & South Bend Little Joes. Below is #803 in its MTH PS3 version; above is the prototype as preserved at the Illinois Railway Museum. Plus some gritty in service scenes; I particularly like the last one with a rickety old South Shore interurban in the background (although that’s old 802 in the front):
