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Hey guys,

I wanted to shoot out a post to see if anyone might be able to offer some assistance.

So I purchased a new MTH Imperial Big Boy, 30-1582-1, the other week in celebration of my new layout that I'm building (yay!), but I'm having some retailing issues with it (not so yay!).

When the engine hits the  "S" curve of my O-31 track going in to my sidings in reverse and forward, it tends to derail the last trailing wheels on the tender (the last set that actually has flanges). Obviously this causes sparks, sets off the breaker on the transformer, the usual.

After slowly backing the engine through the curve, I essentially was able to find the critical point at which the drawbar tenses up too much in the back of the engine and pulls the tender off of the tracks. It appears the the drawbar is simply pulling so hard in the opposite direction of where the tender needs to go that it muscles it around and off of the tracks.

I've searched this forum for similar issues and it seems that my drawbar may not be long enough. I'm not too sure though. The box included a shorter 25mm drawbar for O-42 "S" curves but other than that only included the one that was already on the engine which I believe is 30mm long.

Anyone have any ideas? I have some quick pictures to illustrate everything too.

Thanks guys!

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They make a set of drawbars. Maybe one of them is longer than 30mm.

 

One time I watched Ken from ERR test a new prototype Lionmaster, either a big boy or a challenger, on the O-31 S curve on a home layout. At one point, the loco and tender were parallel, but almost beside one another. It looked funny, but stayed on the track and went all the way through the curve.

 

Make sure that your drawbar can swing wide on both the tender and the loco.

Since everything is in construction, I could possibly install a straight section in between the curves, but I can't really remove that siding without completely changing a lot of track work.

The reason for this is because a switch connects part of the siding to a reversing loop.

Lengthening that siding may cause issues with getting that loop to work out.
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I was going to reply to this before, but seeing that I do not even have a layout myself at this point, I figured I'd back off.  However.... i do agree with rtr.  What I've heard (and it makes sense once you think about it), 'S' curves are not all that great, at least not with curves as tight as O31. They may work for your smaller engines, but the Big Boy is pretty big, thats a heck of a turn for that thing to navigate (even though it "can" handle O31 curves).

 

**Edit: sorry, I started typing this a while ago, but only finished now.  When I started, only rtr had responded.

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You should also be able to change the siding to O42 switches and still get the reverse loop attached to it.  But a couple of thinking points; How does the locomotive do on all the rest of the layout, in both directions?  Does the tender come off if the BB goes into the siding from the other side?  Have you looked at the BB to make sure that there are no wires, or anything else, keeping the drawbar from moving in it's full swing?

Sinclair,

I did some pretty thorough inspections of that tether all around the layout and it only caused major issues on that "S" curve. It had issues going both directions on both switches of the siding.

Other than that, I did notice that it understandably had some tight angles here and there, but my layout is O31 and O42, so it makes sense.

Since last night, I've removed that connected siding and replaced it with a simple siding and track barrier off of the main line.

I wish I could've kept it, but you gotta do what you gotta do!
Originally Posted by Dylobs:
Since last night, I've removed that connected siding and replaced it with a simple siding and track barrier off of the main line.

I wish I could've kept it, but you gotta do what you gotta do!

One thing I forgot to mention earlier is that even if you are able to get this BB working on your tight 'S' curves, it will most likely be a problem with many of your future engine/rolling stock purchases and you will probably be battling these curves from now on. I think you were wise to get rid of them.

 

It does look like you have a really nice track plan in those extra pictures you posted. Lots of running in a small space. After you have given it some running time you might come up with something better to add as a replacement to the tight 'S' curve sections.

I have an idea that may work better yet give you the siding you want.

Move those switches to be part of the outer corners.

Then the siding is complete across the inside and you eliminate the S curves.

You lose several inches of the straights in the sides tho.

I marked up (poorly!) your picture since I'm not on my home computer to do RR-Track.

Shortening the sides allows you to do this and stay on the table.

 

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