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One thing I've noticed about European rolling stock is that, the cars frequently have a squat/stumpy appearance.

 

I wonder who's coupling system is superior - the North American knuckle coupler, or the convoluted European system; complete with those bumpers?

 

It's odd that bumpers... are used on one continent and not on another?

 

There must be a lot of play(movement) with the European coupling system?

 

The European stuff has an almost cute/toyish look to it; whereas, over here... we're all business... we operate MAN-SIZED equipment...

 

I'm obviously having a bit of fun, here; but, there's some truth to it...

 

 

Rick

 

 

Hi Rick,

          Those LIMA models are from the 70s. You don't see nearly as many of those kinda freight cars in Europe these days. I don't think you will see 4 wheel box cars in the UK at all hardly nowadays apart from on preservation lines.Though you will still see 4 wheel tank cars now and again. Check out this modern freight video of the St Gotthard . European electric locos are mega-powerfull.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUoF2snJUdI&feature=related 

 I'm  a steam fan as you know, but those modern electrics have some power at their disposal. Big heavy freights are no problem to them. Most of the modern euro electrics would probably pull the butt off American Dash9 diesels I'd think as they draw all the power they need from the overheads etc., As for the coupling systems.

 Well the advantage of buffers (we don't call them bumpers over here), is more safety in a pile up. Especially say with flammable liquids in tankers, Only thing between North American tankers and the one in front is the knuckle coupler. If it breaks you have two tankers crashing tank on tank,whereas in a similar accident in europe you have the benefit of the hydraulic buffers absorbing shock and a better chance of keeping the cars stable and avoiding fire in such an accident. Anyway,so they say.       DAVY

    

Yesterday, I was looking at the new MTH 2013 catalog and I looked at some of the Premier motive power being offered: British, German and French steam; and modern electrics.

 

Then, I looked at European rolling stock - nice, highly detailed pieces and small...

 

There is some longer car types but, the smaller sizes seems to have left an impression on me. Yours might not be as small, but they leave me with a similar impression.

 

I know North American rolling stock has increased, in size, over the years; but, the equipment I see(in real life) is generally... on the larger side.

 

A while ago, my wife bought me an older style refrigeration car(a Pacific Fruit Express car) she doesn't know there's a different re: the different era's and the corresponding sizes and styles...

 

That car looks ridiculous sitting on my layout, next to my modern equipment. I thought it might not be true to scale so, recently, I asked my dealer? Apparently, it carries scale proportions.

 

Re: the coupling systems - A couple of years ago, while I was driving, I came upon a broken train. It was separated near the midway point. I approached it from the rear and drove up to the front. I asked one of the crew members... what had happened, and he replied, a coupler had broken... This particular railroad carries a spare coupler on the engine, for this type of situation. The crew member said the coupler heads are quite heavy, especially, if you have to pack one a fair distance, up to the damaged car. These guys had a company truck drive the coupler to the damaged car.

 

Re: European electric engines - yes, Davy, they are quite capable. Many of today's modern electrics will out-perform 4400hp diesel-electric locomotives.

 

For example, Siemen's is a well-known builder of powerful electric locomotives.

 

 

Rick

 

 

 

 

I liked the Youtube video you linked Davy.  I really do like the looks of the European electric locomotives - very utilitarian, but still with elegance (if that is possible with a huge piece of machinery).  I also like the quiet and cleanliness part.

 

I will take y'all's word for it on electric vs diesel-electric power, though it looked to me like a lot of motive power in the video to pull modest at best sized consists.  It did look like a very mountainous area so maybe there are some grades that have to be negotiated. 

 

I live on the front range of the Rockies where there are frequent 120-car unit coal trains carrying 15,000 tons of coal.  Obviously more than one diesel - sometimes with motive power at the front, middle, and rear.  Just north of where I live the trains have to cross the Palmer Divide.  Here's a Youtube video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hst_i1_hc-A  Not as interesting as the European trains right?  Snore.  The first coal train had 120 cars.  I fell asleep before finishing counting the second one.  The caption says the diesels are SD-70's.  They look to be pretty powerful. 

 

A train coming from Wyoming along the front range to New Mexico would have to cross two ridges (Palmer Divide and Raton Pass) each at about 7500 feet with lows (I'm guessing) at the Platte River (5200 ft at Denver, CO) and the Arkansas River (4600 ft at Pueblo, CO). So elevation changes of 2000-3000 ft over long grades.  I'm thinking Switzerland/Austria may have much greater elevation changes for it's rail lines.  And of course in Colorado if you head west the elevation changes are greater, but I don't know the sizes of trains that head that way.  Here's a video of a coal train heading through Moffat Tunnel (west of Denver, elevation 9000 ft).  I counted 104 cars and a bunch of diesels.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWvv8lYU_Cc

 

It amazes me is that any coupler could handle that type of weight. 

Hi Guys,

          Hope any of you guys in New York, New Jersey,Virginia etc.,etc., are all OK.

Just been watching the terrible weather reports,fires in Queens etc.,etc.,. "Engineer Joe", I know you are in New Jersey and see your state has been hit particularly bad so hope you and your family are AOK.  Stay safe, all the best and good luck from Scotland    DAVY

  

Hi guys, hope all of you are safe and well after the storms. Anyway on a more pleasant note, I obtained a few more LIMA and Rivarrossi European models the last couple of days. heres the pics. German fuel tanker "ARAL",Swiss van both by Lima, the loco is a Rivarrossi German BR 80 but with an American style smokebox front.These were made for the US market so I will be rehashing the smokebox front back to German style,but these locos are quite hard to come by so I grabbed it. I now have two of these which will be getting done up as RAG Ruhrkohle locos. The class was retired by german National Railways in the 60s but some remained in service on the RAG untill the late 70s which is the period these euro models date from.   Cheers  DAVY

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Davy, how are the curved turnouts working out for you? 

 

Any problems passing any particular equipment? 

 

How are they  for backing a string of cars through the points and frog?. 

 

Do they lend themselves for use as a single crossover in  a curve?

 

What outside radius curved switches are you using? Thank you  tt

 

 

Hi Tom,

         My layout isn't complete or operational yet. But I have every confidence in the Peco track. What testing I have done on any track laid has shown no problems at all.As long as the switches are laid nice and level Peco track performs immaculately.

 As for reversing trains thru switches successfully well that also depends on the performance of the couplings used and can also be affected by the relative weights of rolling stock. If you have over-light items of rolling stock  between a reversing loco and heavier rolling stock at the rear you can get derailments no matter how well track or couplers perform.      DAVY

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