Originally Posted by Rusty Traque:
Just found a picture of the LC+ multi-engine remote:
Rusty
Now you're talkin!
Originally Posted by Matthew B.:
Unless it's the price and in that case why not petition Lionel to produce less expensive Legacy engines that aren't scale with fewer functions and don't have as much detail.
You mean like LionMaster?! You know, those $1000 Challengers?
Originally Posted by Matthew B.:
I'm not sure what the interest is in LionChief by those invested in Legacy. Considering it has less detailing, fewer functions and isn't scale. Unless it's the price and in that case why not petition Lionel to produce less expensive Legacy engines that aren't scale with fewer functions and don't have as much detail.
Originally Posted by breezinup:
Originally Posted by Matthew B.:
Unless it's the price and in that case why not petition Lionel to produce less expensive Legacy engines that aren't scale with fewer functions and don't have as much detail.
You mean like LionMaster?! You know, those $1000 Challengers?
Absolutely because that answers my primary inquiry as to what Legacy user's interest is in LionChief and my secondary suggestion that they
petition Lionel to produce less expensive Legacy engines that aren't scale with fewer functions and don't have as much detail.
Features
- LEGACY Control System equipped – able to run in LEGACY Control mode, in TrainMaster Command Control mode, or in Conventional mode with a standard transformer
- Odyssey II Speed Control with On/Off switch
- LEGACY RailSounds sound system featuring:
-CrewTalk dialogue and TowerCom announcements, CrewTalk dialog and TowerCom announcements, each with different scenarios depending on whether the locomotive is in motion or stopped
-Six official railroad speeds with Crew-Talk dialog
-DynaChuff synchronized chuffing that shifts through 32 levels of intensity as the locomotive gains speed
-LEGACY "Real-Time Quilling Whistle" control with instant response for realistic signature "quilling" and correctly timed warning signals
-Single hit or continuous mechanical bell sounds
-Sequence Control plays the sound effects of an entire trip, including warning sounds and announcements, based on the movement and speed of the locomotive
-Current speed and fuel dialog, refueling sound effects - IR transmitter works with LCS SensorTrack™
- Two maintenance-free motor with momentum flywheels
- Wireless Tether connection between locomotive and tender
- ElectroCoupler on rear of tender
- Directional lighting including operating headlight and back-up light on rear of tender
- Illuminated classification lights on the front of locomotive
- Traction tires
- Interior illumination in cab
- Whistle Steam smoke effect
- Die-cast metal locomotive body, pilot, and trucks
- Die-cast metal tender body and trucks
- High level of separately applied metal details
- Separately applied builder's plates
- Synchronized fan-driven smoke units
- Adjustable smoke output
- Authentically detailed cab interior
- Cab window "glass"
- Engineer/Fireman figures
Road Number: 3985
Gauge: Traditional O Gauge
Dimensions: Length: 27.5"
RailLine: Union Pacific
Minimum Curve: O-31
Though I was thinking Legacy users would be more interested in something like this...
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I'm guessing that's orange and blue...and a tad insulting for us open minded Legacy Users. LOL! Just kidding...I kid.
LOL! Just kidding...I kid.Originally Posted by Matthew B.:
Originally Posted by Rusty Traque:
Just found a picture of the LC+ multi-engine remote:
Cute, but a Samsung Galaxy smart phone probably can do everything that unit did and then some. 
Pete
Originally Posted by breezinup:
Originally Posted by Matthew B.:
Unless it's the price and in that case why not petition Lionel to produce less expensive Legacy engines that aren't scale with fewer functions and don't have as much detail.
You mean like LionMaster?! You know, those $1000 Challengers?
My thoughts exactly. I am not a scale guy by any means, but I do like the slow running of Legacy, I do have the geeps, they are affordable, but no steamers under $400.00 and not scale. I think LC+ would fit the bill perfectly.
Art
Originally Posted by shawn:
The upper left cabinet looks like the place my zw-c use to sit. Until the upper pot bracket cracked. So, with no parts availability. It has become bookend.
Let's see, there are basically four way's to run our trains. The system of one remote.
The system of a thousand remotes. (Lon Chaney system.) the minus and plus system.
A new ease of install accessory option. Using dedicated track and wires to achieve the "ease". IMHO, seems more like a cable seller.
What we really see from this Company, is a "form" of "idiocy". I had a conversation with Captain Kirk at York. Marketing this, marketing that crap.
Enjoy the new catalogs. I will be sitting out my purchases for a bit. I'm starting to get the feeling that owning the best remote. Is opening me up to Corporate rape..
Interesting and I thought this was coming. This really can become a marketing nightmare for Lionel.
What LC+ has driven is a "want" for less expensive engines that are command controlled and do more. Problem is consumer drift, they want the more for less.
Frankly, I don't see Lionel making this new universal remote the Legacy remote. But who knows for sure.
LC+ was targeted for a lower price point buyer, and the non Command types. So the new universal remote has to be LC+ based. Not Legacy based. You have to think that is the larger market for LC+.
Sure Legacy users may have a few LC+ on the roster for children and such, but if you have a big legacy layout, your probably not trying to save $50 to $100 on an engine, so you just buy the TMCC or Legacy version. Scale or Semi Scale.
Lionel produces about 20 or so sets a year, plus LC+ individual engines. That is a lot of remotes to stock per year, or chips to program.
There definitely needs to be a 99 code on these engines so a technician can troubleshoot any engine with a single LC+ remote.
At this point the KISS principle has not been maintained and product and product support has too many variables to deal with.
Already seeing plenty of request on how to easily change a LC+ to TMCC with RS and Cruise. It is not easy. It is a complete gut of the engine and all new components. Not cost effective. You buy LC+ so you can use it with the simple remote or in conventional. No other reason to buy it. G
Originally Posted by GGG:
Interesting and I thought this was coming. This really can become a marketing nightmare for Lionel.
What LC+ has driven is a "want" for less expensive engines that are command controlled and do more. Problem is consumer drift, they want the more for less.
Frankly, I don't see Lionel making this new universal remote the Legacy remote. But who knows for sure.
LC+ was targeted for a lower price point buyer, and the non Command types. So the new universal remote has to be LC+ based. Not Legacy based. You have to think that is the larger market for LC+.
Sure Legacy users may have a few LC+ on the roster for children and such, but if you have a big legacy layout, your probably not trying to save $50 to $100 on an engine, so you just buy the TMCC or Legacy version. Scale or Semi Scale.
Lionel produces about 20 or so sets a year, plus LC+ individual engines. That is a lot of remotes to stock per year, or chips to program.
There definitely needs to be a 99 code on these engines so a technician can troubleshoot any engine with a single LC+ remote.
At this point the KISS principle has not been maintained and product and product support has too many variables to deal with.
Already seeing plenty of request on how to easily change a LC+ to TMCC with RS and Cruise. It is not easy. It is a complete gut of the engine and all new components. Not cost effective. You buy LC+ so you can use it with the simple remote or in conventional. No other reason to buy it. G
I think this is spot on.
I, too, noticed the relative proliferation of LC/LC+ sets and the paucity of conventional sets.
While I wouldn't mind buying a LC engine, I won't, because I don't want more dedicated remotes hanging around. I use TMCC; I have about 4 TMCC engines and one Legacy, the rest being conventional. As a result, I run TMCC in conventional mode, where I address the track and spin the knob to increase the voltage. For conventional, that's all I need; for TMCC/Legacy, all I then do is address the engine(s) and go.
So, I'll buy LC+ engines and ditch the remote so I can run them conventionally. *IF* Lionel does come out with a universal remote, then I'm in. I can handle *one* additional remote, but not a gaggle/brood/clutch/litter of them.
Originally Posted by Art:
Originally Posted by Art:
Originally Posted by jrmertz:
I think they should make it part of their LCS system somehow. Then it would work for Legacy owners and for LC+ owners. One of the great things about LCS is that it works without Legacy. It would seem like a good stepping stone. Cosumer buys LionCheif set, thinks it is great but wants more control so buys LC+ engine, followed by a few more. Then they want control of their layout so they get into LCS WiFI (they may already have an iPad) and an ASC2. Now they are looking for one remote, they get a new LCS component that allows them to conroll all LC engines with one remote. Later they get into legacy - because of the LCS boxes they owned nothing is obsolete. They have gone from entry level to high end. just dreaming out loud.
What if you only have Legacy and no LCS or smart phone?
Art
no smart phone needed for LCS stuff. It works with a tablet or with Legacy or with both (see the LCS page for more details). That's why I think it would be smart for them to make it as an LCS product. People who haven't grown to Legacy can use it on their way to Legacy. People with Legacy who have an interest in LC+ engines can also use it to bridge their current tech with their new tech. The only big downside I see is confusing the product lines with another base/remote combo, but it is cool to think about.
