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I just bought a Z-500 controller to use with a bump and go trolley and for fun decided to try it with my MTH SD79ACe engine. The bell and whistle buttons were reversed and I found various posts here that said to just swap the wires between the track and controller.  This fixed the problem but I was a little puzzled because I had hooked up the red wires with the red posts on the lockon and the controller, and ditto with black to black.  The controller posts don't say which is hot or common but I did read that hot has to go to the center rail, and common goes to the outside rail.

So, I wondered if the engine was reversed until I noticed that the lockon I was using had a black thumbscrew for the long copper piece that connects to the center rail and a red thumbscrew for the short copper piece that connects to the outside rail.  Weird.  I didn't disassemble it to see what was actually going on inside.

I looked at an extra lockon I had on hand and the one that came with the controller, and both had a red thumbscrew for the center rail connector.  So, it looks like the lockon I'm using is somehow reversed but I never noticed because I usually run via the DCS remote or a Lionel RTR engine.  I thought with AC it didn't really matter which color wire was hooked up to which color post because of its alternating nature.  It looks like the bells and whistles and related features like decoupling enforce a wiring restriction so that those features will work properly?

Obviously, it's not a big deal but I thought I'd post this apparent variation on the reversed bell and whistle problem in case someone else gets one of these lockons. This one came with my RTR set. (The thumbscrews don't come off, so swapping them to fix the post colors isn't possible.)

Tomlinson Run Railroad

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sounds like the lock-on is just FUBAR, to put it simply, it's colors are backwards.  

As to the bell and whistle, these work by applying a small DC offset to the AC track power.  I could be backwards here, but I think a positive DC offset will trigger the bell and a negative offset triggers the bell.  Because of this, reversing the wires will reverse the DC polarity, so the whistle and bell buttons will be reversed.  

JGL

TRRR,

It matters because of it's alternating characteristic. Reversing the Hot and Neutral (or common in model train terms) cause that connection to be out of phase.

That's why receptacles and plugs are "polarized" with a wide and narrow side to prevent having an out of phase device in the circuit.

Modern model train equipment has polarized plugs on the transformers and have adopted the red and black color coding to keep things simple.

Coming across factory mistakes like the lock-on that you have is certainly an unwanted surprise.

Thanks JGL and Carl,

That makes sense.  I was curious how the electronic signal was sent to the PS3, so that a given sequence of button presses will signal a function to the engine.  So thank-you for explaining the +/- DC offset pulses.  I must say using the transformer may prove more fun than having to point the DCS Remote Commander at the DCS receiver -- I always seem to have my back to it when I want to signal something. :-)

Dennis, the thumbscrews are fixed and so I couldn't swap them, and the unit doesn't have a screw back for "user serviceability".  Here's a photo. Sorry my close-up lens is kaput.

Best,

TRRR

 

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TomlinsonRunRR posted:
 I didn't disassemble it to see what was actually going on inside.
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 (The thumbscrews don't come off, so swapping them to fix the post colors isn't possible.)

Is this the Realtrax lock-on?  It would take a few minutes but you can pop the lid off, loosen the nuts, and swap the red and black connectors.

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