Pennsylvania R.R. Everyday

Here’s the latest addition to my fleet. A MTH Premiere PRR N8 cabin car.

Here's my latest Pennsy find. I've been hunting for this for a while and almost gave up! A PRSL B6 from Lionel in 2015.

PRR on the TMB club before the club was torn down:

@FrankRazz posted:

PRR on the TMB club before the club was torn down:

Nice looking engines!

Beside many photos of PRR's Medium to big steam models, I thought I would enlighten this thread with some other PRR steam models in my collection not seen as much....

All photos by me from models in my collection.

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Do you know if this is a D16?  If so, who made it?  A very few D16s made it to the late 40s.  Thanks.

The Pennsy had 1325 H30 covered hoppers built between 1935 and 1946.  Another 250 H30a cars were made starting 1951, with the only change being the bolsters (welded instead of cast).  There were still over a 1,000 of these cars by the start of the 70s.

This very well done Weaver car looks just like the prototype.  It is in the pre-1954 paint scheme.  Check out all the photos.

@CAPPilot posted:

Do you know if this is a D16?  If so, who made it?  A very few D16s made it to the late 40s.  Thanks.

This is an MTH model, more like an "as built" D16. See this great thread about it here.

3 D16sb's made it to the 1940s. Of course, 1223 was pulled aside in the late 30s as a "publicity engine" (world fairs, movies, and other smaller displays). The other two were mostly working on the DELMARVA peninsula during this time.

I believe 1223 was technically Penn Central's only operating steam locomotive - PRR leased the engine to Strasburg in 1965, and Penn Central transferred ownership to the RR Museum of Pa. in the 1970's. While 1223 wasn't on the PC roster, it was still owned by PC while operation at Strasburg!

@49Lionel - If you are still active on the forum, I'd love to see more pictures of your custom D16sb!

Love those MTH Premier PRR 2-8-0s. Need one of those for sure. I have the Weaver PRR H30 hoppers as well. Those are really nice.

@Prr7688 posted:

This is an MTH model, more like an "as built" D16. See this great thread about it here.

3 D16sb's made it to the 1940s. Of course, 1223 was pulled aside in the late 30s as a "publicity engine" (world fairs, movies, and other smaller displays). The other two were mostly working on the DELMARVA peninsula during this time.

I believe 1223 was technically Penn Central's only operating steam locomotive - PRR leased the engine to Strasburg in 1965, and Penn Central transferred ownership to the RR Museum of Pa. in the 1970's. While 1223 wasn't on the PC roster, it was still owned by PC while operation at Strasburg!

@49Lionel - If you are still active on the forum, I'd love to see more pictures of your custom D16sb!

Here are a few pics from several years ago:

I still have it, and still haven't had those drivers replaced with 68" ones (which I have).  My interests have gone in other directions, but this is a great-looking and running model.

I would love to be able to track down a Max Gray D16 one day.  I am not normally a fan of most 19th century American Standards, but the ones that were built and / or rebuilt in the 20th century I find fascinating.  While anachronistic, I would put a D16 next to my F3 mogul next to my postwar K4 in a heartbeat on my layout and not even concerned about the prototypical infidelity in a heartbeat. 

Here is an interesting piece I picked up at York a number of years ago.  It is a custom built HO GG1.  The frame is rigid so I don't even want to hazard a guess on the curves it needs.

my weaver k-4 with my MTH passenger cars. Yes I know I need a bigger layout.

Here’s a couple Weaver Boxcars.  

Here is a repainted Santa Fe car, don't clean and put the doors on top of the furnace and forget about them. Will by new

OK fellows, Lee and Sitka have made it "open season" on PRR boxcars.  So to show that I can be nonsensical although I hope to provide  some fun here are a few down the years....

Here is the Lionel #800 PRR boxcar from 1915 - 1926

Here is the Lionel #6454 PRR boxcar from 1949-1952 (quite a difference eh!)

Here is the Marx , PRR Merchandise Service boxcar from 1965...all of 6" long about the same length as the Lionel #800 from 1915...who says progress is always one dimensional .

Well best wishes everyone.  Great pictures especially liked the discussion of the D16 loco, new information to me.  I also really liked the "for real" PRR box cars and merchandise service cars by Lee and Sitka.  CAPPilot - neat cars and I always like your discussion on the background / history from the real PRR.  Thanks all.

Have a great week everyone

Don

@Don McErlean posted:

OK fellows, Lee and Sitka have made it "open season" on PRR boxcars.  So to show that I can be nonsensical although I hope to provide  some fun here are a few down the years....

Here is the Lionel #800 PRR boxcar from 1915 - 1926

Here is the Lionel #6454 PRR boxcar from 1949-1952 (quite a difference eh!)

Here is the Marx , PRR Merchandise Service boxcar from 1965...all of 6" long about the same length as the Lionel #800 from 1915...who says progress is always one dimensional .

Well best wishes everyone.  Great pictures especially liked the discussion of the D16 loco, new information to me.  I also really liked the "for real" PRR box cars and merchandise service cars by Lee and Sitka.  CAPPilot - neat cars and I always like your discussion on the background / history from the real PRR.  Thanks all.

Have a great week everyone

Don

Don, Thank you for sharing this magic! Best, Willard

Pennsylvania R.R. Just purchased a U36B Getting moved to the Altoona Maintenance Facility for Service and Painting by a K4.

Lionel legacy and Kline tmcc.

Pennsy beast and beauties.

Pennsy A5.  I heavily weathered this one to give it that neglected yard goat look.

Shinny stainless steel car ... washed and pampered daily.

From the Fleet of Modernism a beauty brings up the rear.

I found a car I wanted on Trainz web site and put it into the cart.  While in the site, I looked around and found three other cars that I ended up buying.  One was an Atlas 40' composite gondola.  I wasn't really looking for a gondola, but then I remembered I only had one PRR revenue gondola so I bought it.  Really nice looking car. Here is my total gondola fleet (not counting a MoW gon).

40' Composite gondola

53' Gondola (Atlas Trainman)

@CAPPilot posted:

I found a car I wanted on Trainz web site and put it into the cart.  While in the site, I looked around and found three other cars that I ended up buying.  One was an Atlas 40' composite gondola.  I wasn't really looking for a gondola, but then I remembered I only had one PRR revenue gondola so I bought it.  Really nice looking car. Here is my total gondola fleet (not counting a MoW gon).

40' Composite gondola

53' Gondola (Atlas Trainman)

Nice looking cars Ron

@Trainwreck nate posted:

Keep them coming Nate

@Sitka will do my best this layout is counting its days. Going to finish the basement and be building a new layout.

Well its been awhile since I posted to this thread, but I thought I might have something to contribute today.  Here is my AMT BEEP in PRR livery doing a short caboose hop with a couple of classic Lionel Post War PRR freights.  Her train consists of the Lionel # 2758 Pennsylvania double door automobile car from 1945-46.  This was a "roll over" from an identical car in 1941-42 but with pre-war box couplers.   Another "roll over" is the Lionel # 2457 N5 caboose.  It came in tuscan brown vice red and with pre-war couplers in 1941-42 and was listed as the #2757

Best wishes

Don

My newest piece, well new to me. Weaver gold line.

Pennsy A5 at work.

Patrick, I really like that A5 and your weathering.  I see you are keeping your yard folks busy.

Nate, those Weaver baggage cars are great.  I have several but mostly concentrating on the later B60 and B60b cars modified with the round windows.

B60

B60b

Nice Looking P.R.R. Cars Nate and Ron, Nice looking Switcher trumptrain, picked up yesterday some in need of a good home, a pair of PW F3 that will be degreased and stripped down and brought back to life for our Pennsy R.R. God Speed!

Nate, I’ve got the Weaver PRR B60b and the RPO with Clestory roof. They along with Pennsy RB-50 refers, merchandise service and REA box cars / refers make for a nice express mail train.

Recently rediscovered these photos in a directory on my external drive:

@ncdave posted: I’ve got the Weaver PRR B60b and the RPO with Clerestory roof....

Just want to clarify nomenclature for these cars.  While probably not a big deal for many modelers, I really think if you run Pennsy you need to know what you have.

Weaver called all their cars of this basic design a B60b.  There were actually two different baggage cars built by Weaver, but they just used the same box.  Reference the above images.

The B60, first built in 1906, had eight side panels and all were delivered with the clerestory roof.  The rectangular windows were replaced with round windows starting in the late 30s.  One source stated a few B60 cars may have gotten the round roof late in life, but I have not seen anything definite on that. (NOTE: The B60a was a B60 with end doors for automobile transport, and with a round roof.)

The B60b, first built in 1925, had 11 side panels and all were delivered with the round roof.  Nate's model is an as-built B60b with the rectangular windows.  Like the B60, these got round windows starting in the late 30s.

And while I have a couple of Weaver's RPOs with the clerestory roof that I run, the Pennsy never did have an RPO of this design.  I simulate Pennsy's BM70 with these cars when running my 18" passenger cars.

So:

Clerestory roof  with 8 panels - B60

Round roof with 11 panels - B60b

All delivered with rectangular windows.  Nearly all got round windows starting in late 30s.

ADDED: You can also get a B70 for your railroad.  GGD made a scale version, and Williams and MTH made almost full scale versions (less than a 1/2" short).  This is MTH's version.

Ron always enjoyed the history on the P.R.R. Glad you share, bought this book years ago and still go through it.

Mark

Ron, Thanks for the information. Looks like I have to run up to the train room and open my boxes to see exactly what I have. Is it a B60 or B60b?

It turns out that I have a B60b with round roof, round windows and 11 panels.
I’ll be on the lookout for the B70 to add to my roster.

Again thanks for the information Ron!

I'll throw this out there, too... If you love the Pennsylvania Railroad and its remarkable history (including classic locomotives, other equipment, personnel, stations, etc.), I would highly recommend joining the PRR Technical & Historical Society. https://www.prrths.org/

There are great, thick and interesting issues every quarter of The Keystone. I've written several in the last few years including this cover story:

  Also, there is quarterly online magazine of The Keystone Modeler.

  I've belonged to several railroad historical societies over the years and the PRRT&HS's quarterly issue of The Keystone seems to cover the most wide ranging railroad topics...

  To join, go here: https://www.prrths.org/content...amp;module_id=451756

Tom

GGD in my opinion did a creditable version of the BM70.    These came in sets of the B70, BM70 and PB70.    I think the PB70 is a bit too long because they used the same underframe as the P70 which includes 2 vestibules.    The PB70 should be about 3-4 scale feet shorter.   I don't remember measuring the B70 and BM70.    I guess I should do that just for grins and giggles.

American Standard did a kit for a good model of an M70 which I have.   It is a bit of a chore to assemble these kits but the result is worth it.   Unfortunately I have not seen this kit very often.

@PRR8976 posted:

I'll throw this out there, too... If you love the Pennsylvania Railroad and its remarkable history (including classic locomotives, other equipment, personnel, stations, etc.), I would highly recommend joining the PRR Technical & Historical Society. https://www.prrths.org/

Tom

@PRR8976

Tom:

I heartily second your endorsement. I have been a member of the PRRT&HS National Chapter since the early 1980's. My grandfather spent 42 years on the PRR and retired in 1953, so, being born in January of 1951, I have been a lover of the PRR for as long as I can remember.

I also want to add endorsements for the Philadelphia Chapter of the PRRT&HS as well as the Pennsylvania-Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society of which I am also a member of both.

I shared this on Instagram recently but thought I’d share it here as well. These are some of my favorite PRR engines. Love those long haul tenders!

I joined the PRRT&HS in October. I can’t understand why I didn’t join earlier. The Keystone is a wealth of information on the PRR. While the Keystone Modeler highlights talented modelers building accurate models of PRR locomotives and rolling stock. Plus reviews of new models too.