Skip to main content

Has anyone, other than Pecos River Brass, produced prototypically-accurate O-scale models of the 85-foot "lightweight" Pullman Standard 52-seat coaches, diners, and baggage/RPO equipment used on the Rio Grande's "The Prospector" and "Royal Gorge"? The latter train supplied the equipment for the 1968 version of the D&H "Laurentian", which I am trying to model. PRB's brass offerings, although perfect, are hard to find and rather expensive relative to similar passenger sets made of extruded aluminum (e.g. Golden Gate Depot's Empire State Express.)

 

I bought the Weaver set of aluminum D&H passenger cars only to discover that the window arrangements are way off. K-Line's 21-inch cars for "The Prospector" are similarly non-prototypical. Bachmann & MTH D&RGW offerings are too short. The prototypes were part of a partially-cancelled order intended for the C&O, but I don't know if anyone modeled these for the C&O. It would seem simple enough to find some extruded stock, cut to length, machine the windows in the proper locations, and, voila!: fluted PS bodies for C&O, D&RGW, and D&H trains. Am I "reinventing the wheel" here? I should note that 3-rail vs 2-rail is not a concern: I run both on 3-rail 090 curves, but hope to convert everything to Aristocraft/Crest Electronics R/C battery power.

 

Your insights are appreciated.

Original Post

Replies sorted oldest to newest

Mac Shops (Haynes McDaniel) made several styles of aluminum extrusions with windows punched for various types of cars as per prototype.

 

You could also try OK streamliners in NY state (I believe.) He produces aluminum extrusions of various types and will punch windows as desired.

 

There is another fellow doing various style car kits in plastic, but I can't recall who it is at the moment. I'll try to find his info.

 

I believe the cars you want to model have corrugation below the windows only, don't they?

Originally Posted by Erik C Lindgren:
American Lightweight Car Company offered in the 1980's a complete consist of PS cars. The Budd domes would be an extruded you could add.

After Pete Plunkett died another fellow named Ken Tolar(?) was attempting to continue the line of American Lightweight, but I never saw anything from him.

 

Mac Shops still offered a brass wrapper for the Budd domes as of several years ago.

 

Nice build on your combine, Erik.

Last edited by rheil
Originally Posted by rheil:
Originally Posted by rheil

 

There is another fellow doing various style car kits in plastic, but I can't recall who it is at the moment. I'll try to find his info.

Found it.

Union Station Products makes exactly the D&H car kits you want.

I'm still waiting for the kit they were going to send to me back in March......

Erik,

I had forgotten that Ralph Brown announced streamlined car kits. Did he ever produce them? All I recall were the heavyweight kits. After Ralph passed the business on to a fellow in TN I sent $5 twice for his catalog probably 20 or so years ago. He kept the money, but I never received the catalog.

Last edited by rheil

I'm in the process of building a C&O Pullman Standard passenger train. As far as I've been able to tell only American Lightweight Car Company and Union Station Products have the correct car sides. The PRB D&RGW coach and 10-6 sleepers are identical to the C&O cars but are very pricey if you can find them. PRB was going to make the full C&O train but didn't get enough reservations.

 

The Union Station Products car sides are more detailed than the ALW sides especially the skirts. However the USP sells only the car sides. You still need the ALW kit to use as a core (car ends, underframe details, roof).

 

Here's the C&O combine built with the ALW sides.

 

IMG_2803

And here's a C&O coach with the USP sides and the rest of the car from an ALW kit.

 

IMG_2804

These are 3 rail cars with K-Line trucks.

 

Ken

Attachments

Images (2)
  • IMG_2803
  • IMG_2804

Thanks to everyone so far for the very helpful replies. I have followed up by contacting Ted Brebeck of OK Streamliners in Mohawk, NY. Mr. Brebeck custom makes aluminum PS and Budd passenger equipment as O-scale and HO-scale kits.

 

I shared my thoughts with Mr. Brebeck about what the kits should look like and will repeat it here:

" Two years ago, I made the mistake of buying a 5-car D&H passenger set from Weaver Models that was very non-prototypical. My goal is to build a 1968 D&H Laurentian passenger train with equipment that once ran on the Rio Grande's "Royal Gorge" train, with the exception that, in 1968, the D&H did not use any domed coaches or sleepers:
 
http://www.drgw.org/data/passenger/RoyalGorge.htm
 
The window and door arrangements may be viewed here:
 
http://unionstationproducts.com/deleware_hudson.html
 
Photos of the prototypes may be viewed here:
 
http://passcarphotos.info/Indices/D&H.htm

 

...I am still trying to figure out how many of each type of car the Laurentian consist would have had. I assume it had one RPO/Baggage, one Baggage, one Diner/Lounge, one Lunch/Buffet, and at least two D&H coaches, plus whatever equipment the NYC would have attached to it in Albany. I'll worry about the NYC stuff later."

 

I can probably cannibalize the Weaver D&H set if Mr. Brebeck's kits lack trucks, pickups, etc.

 

For anyone else wishing to have Mr. Brebeck make custom PS or Budd kits, he can be reached at okengines@aol.com and his website is www.okengines.com.

 

I will let you know more when he responds to my email. Thanks again for your suggestions. This is a very helpful forum.

Originally Posted by rheil:
Originally Posted by mwb:

I'm still waiting for the kit they were going to send to me back in March......

What year, Martin?

2015

 

The super stupendous OMG 50th Anniversary issue of Model Railroader.

1984

 

Bit of lost year for me............but then I very rarely ever waste my time looking at MR except in the most desperate of situations, e.g. trapped in an airport in a multi-hour delay..........w/o toilet paper.

Originally Posted by ChainsawCHARL1E:

Thanks to everyone so far for the very helpful replies. I have followed up by contacting Ted Brebeck of OK Streamliners in Mohawk, NY. Mr. Brebeck custom makes aluminum PS and Budd passenger equipment as O-scale and HO-scale kits.

 

I shared my thoughts with Mr. Brebeck about what the kits should look like and will repeat it here:

" Two years ago, I made the mistake of buying a 5-car D&H passenger set from Weaver Models that was very non-prototypical. My goal is to build a 1968 D&H Laurentian passenger train with equipment that once ran on the Rio Grande's "Royal Gorge" train, with the exception that, in 1968, the D&H did not use any domed coaches or sleepers:
 
http://www.drgw.org/data/passenger/RoyalGorge.htm
 
The window and door arrangements may be viewed here:
 
http://unionstationproducts.com/deleware_hudson.html
 
Photos of the prototypes may be viewed here:
 
http://passcarphotos.info/Indices/D&H.htm

 

...I am still trying to figure out how many of each type of car the Laurentian consist would have had. I assume it had one RPO/Baggage, one Baggage, one Diner/Lounge, one Lunch/Buffet, and at least two D&H coaches, plus whatever equipment the NYC would have attached to it in Albany. I'll worry about the NYC stuff later."

 

I can probably cannibalize the Weaver D&H set if Mr. Brebeck's kits lack trucks, pickups, etc.

 

For anyone else wishing to have Mr. Brebeck make custom PS or Budd kits, he can be reached at okengines@aol.com and his website is www.okengines.com.

 

I will let you know more when he responds to my email. Thanks again for your suggestions. This is a very helpful forum.

Charlie,

Ted is a very accommodating fellow and understands prototypes quite well. I have had him do some car extrusions for me in the past. A word of caution:

make sure Ted will be doing your extrusions in full length. Several he did for me were an inch or so short.

 

He does not include trucks with the kits. Since you are in 3 rail I suggest you look at purchasing MTH passenger trucks. They are far better than the Weaver trucks at a reasonable cost. Ted's turn around time is extremely quick.

Add Reply

Post

OGR Publishing, Inc., 1310 Eastside Centre Ct, Suite 6, Mountain Home, AR 72653
800-980-OGRR (6477)
www.ogaugerr.com

×
×
×
×
Link copied to your clipboard.
×
×