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I just received my R&L Lines, LLC, Track Scrubbing Car. I paid $99.95. I imagine this car may have been discussed already, since it has been around for several years, but it's new to me and I'd like to present a short review.

The Track Scrubbing Car has a solid metal car body, with a metal pipe affixed to the top with a screw through the bottom. There are decorative elastic straps and braces holding the pipe as well, providing a more believable appearance to the load.

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There are two stainless steel pins for the rollers mounted beneath the car. The angle and height of these pins are adjustable with a wrench.

The pins hold paint rollers, specifically 2-inch fine finisher refills. The car came with 4 rollers. The rollers can be cleaned and replacements can be purchased at any big box hardware store I imagine.

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The car has diecast sprung trucks.

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The scrubbing concept relies on the rollers being angled to cause a combined rolling and dragging motion. Because of the angle, the rollers roll slower than they would be if they were set perpendicular with the track. This relative slowness of the rolling results in the roller dragging somewhat along the rails thereby scrubbing the rails. The rollers also roll at an angle across the track and therefore scrub the track laterally as well. Watch the scrubbing action in the video below.



The car worked well for me. However, as explained in the instructions, setting the rollers too low "may cause the car to split a switch and derail." This was a regular occurrence when exiting my ScaleTrax 072 and No. 4 switches heading to the right. The point rails on ScaleTrax do not have a very strong spring bias to hold them in place. This allows the passive non-derailing function. As the car is proceeding through the switch to the right, the back roller pushes the point rails to the right just long enough to allow the trailing truck to track to the left. Reversing the orientation of the rollers causes the opposite to happen; derail when exiting the switch to the left.

The instructions state that raising the height of the rollers can alleviate this occurrence. Adjusting the angle may help too. Fortunately, on my layout, I can run the car on two of the three loops without encountering this situation, and I encounter it at only one switch on the third loop. So I will not be changing the height of the rollers, since I imagine this will affect the cleaning performance.

A well planned route could avoid this issue on some layouts. Others will have switch tracks on which the points are not so easily moved. Still others will need to address this through tuning the height and/or angle of the trailing roller.

I am satisfied with this car. The dragging, lateral scrubbing action, and the absorbent sponge rollers do well in removing the grime. The fact that the rollers are readily available is a definite plus as well. The build quality tells me I will have this car for a long, long time.

See the patent: U.S. Patent No. 7,597,049
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Dennis, thanks for your comment! You are right, a longer car would have avoided that problem, assuming the points spring back into place, which they do not always do in my experience.

212 views and 3 comments. I was starting to think the effort was hardly worth it. But, I know you know a thing or two about track cleaning cars, so thanks for weighing in.
i have this car. it's a good product, but you need to have more than 2 rollers to get the track clean. i purchased extra rollers from lowes hardware. also you don't need a lot of goo gone. a little bit really does go a long way. i use atlas "o" track and this car will pick the switch. you have to adjust the rollers to keep this from happening.................rogerw.
RailReading, good point.

Marty, cool. Let me know what you think of this one versus the others. Thanks.

Roger, good to know its not just my track that does this.

I turned one of the rollers to move it further away from the trailing truck, while maintaining close to the same angle of attack against the rail (actually about 90 degrees different). At the right speed, on a particular route the point rails snap back into place before the wheels get there. Your results may vary.

Here's the changed angle:

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i to had one of these cars and although it did a great job of cleaning the rails i had serious problems with it derailing on my fastrack manual switches.

i tried adjusting the height and angle of the rollers to no avail.i had to sell it unfortunately.

it worked perfectly on the remote switches.

terry.....
Unlike some others, this particular track cleaner has the large advantage of not using proprietary cleaning pads. Being able to pick up new rollers at the hardware store is a big plus.

On the other hand, I have some FasTrack manual switches and I can easily see how this car would cause them to trip. And at just a nickel shy of $100, it seems rather expensive.

Personally, I have yet to encounter a track cleaning car that's satisfactory in all ways.
I just spent 10 hours hand scrubbing my track with Scotch Bright. And everytime I scrubbed, more dirt came off. I do not want to do this again soon.

I have Atlas Track w/ main 0-36 and 0-45 switches with Z-stuff switch machines.
Do you think that the problems you mention with the switches would apply to these? Where are these cars available from? Has anyone compared them to the Centerline or NorthEast cars?
Thanks,
Sandy
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Originally posted by Nick12DMC:
I have been looking for a track cleaning car for a while.
Not sure which one to go for so the review is handy.

Wish someone did this car that Dapol do in OO gauge in O.
Dapol track cleaner
Looks good

Nick


Hi Nick, that is a cool car. It looks as if it is doing real work on the track.
Just for conversation, Mininatronics has an HO model that works electrically, check it out. www.miniatronics.com


search for PEC2-1 (Electral Clean). Their new web site dose not show a picture for some reason, but they do provide a description that this is an HO car. Also, they mention that other gauge products may be in the pipe.
Thank you for all the thoughtful discussion. Alas, I am confused about one point: I have all Atlas switches (O36, O45, O54) which are thrown by a "soft" spring by Z-stuff. Am I correct in assuming that if the rollers are low enough to exert good pressure, they may pull the spring over, derailing part of the car?
I can't afford to spend $99 for something that won't work for me.
Thanks,
Sandy
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Originally posted by sandysimon:
Thank you for all the thoughtful discussion. Alas, I am confused about one point: I have all Atlas switches (O36, O45, O54) which are thrown by a "soft" spring by Z-stuff. Am I correct in assuming that if the rollers are low enough to exert good pressure, they may pull the spring over, derailing part of the car?
I can't afford to spend $99 for something that won't work for me.
Thanks,
Sandy


Yes, I think so.
I bought two cars and they work very well. I do not go into forward into turnouts if possible because I set the pads to exert as much pressure as they can. The cars do pick the points of the turnouts. I enter the turnout from either of the two routes or, if I have to enter a turnout from the opposite direction, I move slowly and monitor the movement.

I use the two cars coupled together right behind the locomotive and it MUST be a powerful locomotive. The first cars uses the two pads with Goo Gone. The second car is dry.

If you use Atlas track, these cars are the sine qua non of operation. Get the black off the center rail, OR ELSE.

Eliot
BTw I forgot to mention We ran the new R&L track cleaner for two hours being pulled by a battery operated Williams engine and did not have any issues at all on the switches It works great and is not bidirectional The pads have to be towards the front of the car as can be seen with our label. This is definitely the best track cleaning car on the market We have a few feet of track and we now swear by this one
This new track cleaning car is no more than six inches longer than the origional R & L Track cleaner. I didn't measure it exactly but I was having the same problem pulling the switch pionts and decided to call the number on R & L's web site and had the opportinuity to speak with the owner about this problem and offered the suggestion to make me a longer track cleaner with the rear truck about six inches past the second roller because some of our switch points are seven inches long. Long and behold I now have one and it works better than any track cleaner I have used yet and I have been cleaning track at the NJ Hirailers for about six or seven years. I liked the origional track cleaner but I couldn't use it in our staging yards and sidings because of the numerous switches. This longer version worked flawlessly through our staging yard, going through about 17 to 20 switches several times without a derailment.
It definately pulled the switch points because it was set to clean throughly but by the time the rear truck reached the switch point it was already closed and the car followed through without a derailment.

I use a mixture of Goo Gone and alcohol for about twenty or twenty five laps, rinsing out the dirty rollers every five or six laps around our very long lines.
Then to finish off the job I will run the final laps with straight alcohol on the rollers and this removes the Goo Gone residue. This procedure seems to work best for me at the club.

I am very much satisfied with this new design and am glad to have been helpful in creating it because it has solved a very frustrating problem I've been dealing with for quite some time. Crawling under our hugh layout after derailed track cleaners is a real pain, especially when they derail frequently; however, this problem has been resolved.

I recomend and speak hihgly of this new design.

I also have a second track cleaner for the club on order.

Clean track Keeps Em Running!!!!!!!!!!

Tranks Again To Bob At R & L Lines.
SD60M, Check out the NJHirailers web site and go to the web cams and take a look around. Our layout is in an old silk mill factory. The room is very dirty no matter how hard we try to keep it clean. Also we use smoke fluid by the gallons. All that smoke is oil that settles on the track and attracts dust. We also run trains for 6 hours at a show. The track gets dirty.
Jim D.
I have seen the new long wheelbase R&L track Scrubber car in Green Bay, WI. It is 4 inches longer than the common O Gauge R&L unit. The rear end "space" removes any split switch problems. I have owned 2 R&L O gauge track scrubbers since day one...

I have split a few Atlas O-72 switches early on.... Now I run two R&L O scrubbers in series with the Rear roller/s removed or rear roller set at LOW pressure. In effect this simulates a long wheelbase R&L car. Removing the rear roller adds 3.5" where as the long wheelbase car adds 4 inches of truck distance.

Changing cleaning train direction also minimizes a split switch probability as a split switch derail is only possible when entering the "single end" of a switch.

Track cleaning is necessary for Good train control & consistent power.

I find the earlier post of rotating the rear roller set at -30 Deg rather than plus 30 Deg angle interesting. I'd like to test out if this corrects a split switch occurrence??
I tried switching the rear roller to the opposite angle and it didn't work for me. The car kept splitting the switches. Keep in mind the rollers were set to clean well, not just barely touch the track. In my opinion, keeping the rollers adjusted to barely touch the track defeates the whole purpose. It takes forever to clean the track that way on our layout. The rollers must be scrubbing agressively to get one of our main lines clean in a reasonable amout of time.

Jerry
I shook the O Gauge bushes in Green Bay, yesterday.

The small batch of R&L Lines extended length Track scrubbing cars built as prototypes have no stamped Serial Numbers.

Favorable layout test results were required before an inventory of extended length R&L Lines scrubbers can be fabricated. Using layouts having larger curves & non derailing sprung switches, performance results indicate that R&L Lines extended length track scrubbers will be batch #1 assembled at R&L by Sept 1, 2011.

Tubular O Gauge track switch layouts do not require the new long wheelbase R&L scrubber unit.

My price guesstimate on the new car is about $20 more than the common O Gauge R&L scrubber unit. The GB Train Shop in WI (Ph 920-496-9697) will offer the entire Aug. 2011 production batch of new extended length (+4 inches) R&L scrubbers for a discount price thru Sept. 30th, 2011. The R&L web site needs updating for this new extended length R&L track scrubber item.

If I were Bob at R&L Lines.......I'd drill a 3rd pin hole for a 3rd roller on the extended scrubber chassis for those operators having solid spring switch throws. I'd also offer a "3rd Roller Kit" (nuts,pin,& foam) for the new extended car since split switch derails are not the norm. This might be in effect the "Super Scrubber" having 3 cleaning rollers for main lines.

Lastly, I did have access to a prototype extended R&L scrubber on my Atlas O-72 layout for a few days. My result was no split switches.

Dennis M, done running around town for now.
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