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I was in my "formative years" during the  Sputnik/Vanguard/Explorer/Werner Von Braun era.  I still remember those Disney space exploration shows, etc. (and have the DVDs now, too.)  So no surprise so I was intrigued - no fascinated is the word - by the MTH Rocket Transport five-car set (20-90813 - the Florida East Coast set - and 20-90811 - a NASA set.  What you see below is 90813) and particularly by the fact that the rocket's sections could be removed and assembled into a rocket. 

 

But I could never get all the details I wanted: of the cars, of the rocket, and in particular, what the rocket looks like when assembled and how you take it out of the cars and put it together, etc.  I goggled, etc., found some videos, etc., but never found all the info I wanted. The one fact I did know is that many more people wanted to buy the set in one form or another, than wanted to sell, which told me it must be a cool set.   So when newly-produced ones came available again, I bought one.  Here is the review of this rocket set I always wanted to find.

 

The basics: The set arrived in a box considerably bigger than I expected. The five cars where each in their own box, each box roughly the size of boxes for 18" passenger cars.  Everything was very well packed and protected.  

 

Detail: is phenomenally good.  Lots of crisply printed warning and signs, good under-car detai.  Good trucks.  The cars roll easily, the couplers all worked.  Everything was perfect out of the box.   These eight-axle cars aren't the easiest to put on the track, but you learn how to get it done.

 

 

All MTH and really cool: The three photos below show a Railking NW-2 and calf set pulling the five-car MTH Premier Rocket Transport set. I know this set came also with an ES44 or something - a loco more contemporary with this particular rocket (a shuttle solid fuel booster), but I think this NW-2 duo "looks smashing" with this set . . . 

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The cars each have eight axles, arranged as two sets of swivels with two, two-axle trucks each.  Nicely detaiedl including under (we'll see that in a minute).  NOTE THESE ARE BIG, BIG CARS!!!!  16.5 inches long, 3 1/4 inches wide and 4 1/2 inches high.  That is a scale PFE reefer in the photo below . . . 

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Lots of nice detail, most of it plastic but still . . . the containers that cover the rocket sections clip into brackets on the cars with small round pegs projecting from their ends.  Below you see one in position and one nearest the camera snapped up out of position.  You also see a small space beneath the edge of the container now . . . It just lifts off to reveal the rocket section.

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Here is the train without the containers on it.  I actually like it more like this . . . the containers, by the way, hinge open clamshell like, wich is cool, but you don't need to open them like that to remove them.  They have small detailed lift brackets and chains, etc.  Nicely done.

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Inside each is the rocket section, mounted to the traincar with a loop bracket (gray) around both ends. 

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In googling and researching this set, I found posts on other train forums that claimed the rocket sections were actually glued down and not removable ins spite of what MTH said.  No one on this forum would be so stupid!  ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS READ THE INSTRUCTIONS.  I won't claim its simple (it took me 37 minutes) but the three pages of instructions are clear on how to remove the rocket sections . . . 

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You remove two screws that hold each of the brackets to the car, from underneath.  There are alot of screws holding the car together so you have to be carefuly which to loosen, but it is straightforward. 

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The front car of the five-car set - that holding the nose cone, nose section, and thrust chamber - is both slightly different than the other four and much the most difficult to dis-assemble.  The prackets always come of with the sections once the screws are loosened, and they are press fit into the rocket sections.  Some paitenace with a knife is required to remove the press-fit brackets without damage, but its nothing that can't be done with care . . . 

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Below, the front car's sections removed with its brackets and 13 screws in total put in a small plastic box for storage.

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The front car (right) is slightly different from the other four (one to the left here), which are identical.  The front car has many more holes for screws and brackets.  

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Once all the brackets and such are removed, the rocket consists of eight pieces . . . 

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The only mistake I made in the whole disassemble is that when I started I did not get a big-enough container for the screws and brackets.  It took one nearly a foot long to hold them all. 

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The rocket pieces just snap together - they have small tabs that slip into slots to assure correct alignment.  It is a very big rocket, over 30 inches high!

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Summary and Key Points:

  1. I am extremely pleased with this set.
  2. At $315 including shipping, it has to be the bargain of the century.  The five cars are heavy, detailed, and smooth running, and relaly impressive.  The brackets, containers, hinges, separately applied lift tabs, chains, etc., etc., etc., are all so numerous . . .   How did MTH make this set for only $62 per car.    Phenomenal price!!!!!
  3. I love the rocket.  I have no idea where I will keep it, but it is not going back in the containers.  
  4. I like this set so much, that just before I saw down to write this, I ordered the other set (90811).  This one's five cars will be stripped of their remaining brackets and used for other rockets - to make a whole "rocket train."  The other set will remain complete with the rocket intact and onboard, etc.  
  5. This is one of the cooler train-car sets I have ever bought.

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Lee,

 

Great thread and review.  The rocket itself caught my attention as it looks very similar to the Titan II ICBM.  The Titan had two exhaust cones at the tail, but the profiles are very similar.  The real one even comes apart into sections very similar to the MTH one. 

 

 Now the only thing you need is a scale gantry, launch pad, and control bunker to send it off to parts unknown. 

 

I want one real bad......maybe Santa is reading this thread.

 

Thanks 

 

Jon

 

 

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Lee

 

Thank you for the outstanding review of the MTH SRB set.  Seeing the segments assembled into a complete Solid Rocket Booster is inspiring.  Now I want two SRB train sets, an external fuel tank and an orbiter!

 

I'd love to ad a link to the O Scale Freight Car Guide to Flat Cars thread to this review if it is all right with you.

 

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...heavy-duty-flat-cars

 

For those interested in space related O scale items you might be interested in K-Line.  While the loads are not scale like the MTH cars they are fun! 

 

 

Wow.  Super cool, Forrest.  That is a neat layout and train!  I see you, too, like the look with the Rocket Transport cars with the covers removed, too.  I mean, what's the good of having a rocket if you can't see it?

 

Ted, I never knew about the K-line cars.  They are close to what i am thinking about, only I hope to do scale - at least up through the Titan missile, and can get away with the width.  The Delta and Orion, at 5 meters, are too big though. 

Ted, I never knew about the K-line cars.

 

Well then you should read the O Scale Freight Car Guide series. 

 

They are close to what i am thinking about, only I hope to do scale - at least up through the Titan missile, and can get away with the width.

 

You could certainly model a 1/48 scale Atlas, Titan I or Titan II and the 10" width would work.  You could probably put the Titan II first stage on an MTH or Atlas 60 or 68 foot flat car with an idler car next to it.  An Atlas would definitely require an idler or an 89 footer.

 

I went to a really cool presentation a few years ago on the MX Rail Garrison.  While never deployed, the BN, UP and BLE were on board and testing went up through a cold launch.  The Air Force Colonel in charge of developing the rail based Peacekeeper system was an ex-NP man so he knew what he was doing and, if the system would have gone into production, it would have been quite practical.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...keeper_Rail_Garrison

 

For those who are wondering what the full scale version of Lee's SRB looks like in flight check out this video.

 

 

These are the cars that re-ignited (yes, pun intended) my interest in model railroading.
Many years ago, when I was in my younger days, I was really interested in model trains (HO). However,  the interest faded as I got older and into my teenage years. At that point I really got into following the space shuttle program. So much so that I got into aerospace engineering as a career.
So fast forward several years and one of the websites I visit regularly on space collectibles mentioned that MTH had done a highly detailed version of the SRB transport train. Had to have it!
I was finally able to obtain one about 3 years ago. And unknowingly, that's all it took to re-spark the interest in model railroading. In fact, I too purchased two of the newer sets that came out earlier this year.
As posted above, for extra realism, it's best to have some spacer cars between each SRB car. MTH came out with a 6-car set of Missouri pacific box cars which serve nicely to replicate the photo above.
For even more realism, and for the scratch builder, the lead spacer car typically has two frames built around it that are used to replicate the shape of the protective covers so that the railroad transporting the cars will know if they will safely pass through any tunnels and bridges.

 

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Neat picture of this wreck, but what I like is: look at the boxcar that did not de-rail, it is the "spacer car" that Press2MECO talked about, although that one has three sets of spacers attached to it.

 

I'm gonna make one of these: it does not look to be that difficult of a bashing project, given you start with the right car.

 

Edit::: By the way, I'm curious about what good the spacer car did for the train.  I can see putting it on a train, ahead of the Rocket Transport Train, either a day or two or even ten minutes ahead of it.  But as positioned in this photo, even if the train is running at just 4 mph, if the spacer car hits something, I doubt the train could be stopped in time, before the container car immediately behind it, hit the obstruction. 

 

Still, if Nasa builds and runs it, I'll eventually make one to run, too . . . 

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It is on its way to me!  Thank you.  I did not know it was available.  Yes, it will be smaller than some, but it was definitely on my list of rockets I had to have.  And it's scale. 

 

Actually - I just went back and bought a second, too.  The Jupiter C can be bashed into a Redstone, one of my favorites, a version of the rocket than launched Alan Shepard in his sub-orbital Mercury flight.  

 

This is fantastic.  Thank you so much.  

 

 

The second set arrived.  It is the NASA set rather than the Florida East Coast set and I like it a bit better - that NASA loco looks good on just about anything!  Anyway, I set up the whole ten-car train.  Wow! it is long, wide, tall and heavy.  That poor like RK NW-2 actually is challenged - it is up to it, pulling its calf and this train well, but I can tell it really has to work at it. 

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Looking nice, Lee. Now you need to add the buffer cars between the containers. From the picture Ted posted, it looks like they're UP cars. I'd bet you just might be able to wrangle a few of those. As for motive power, it might be time to get some motors installed in that calf!

 

Keep it up, you're not done yet!

 

Gilly 

Nice review.  I have the NASA set (the second set you purchased).  Am not taking it apart, but am going to printout out your comments and keep with box - just in case.

 

I find it funny that it appears you have a fire extinguisher on the wall, next to the assembled SRB - just in case it ignites??!!  

 

Lee Wrote:  "The rocket pieces just snap together - they have small tabs that slip into slots to assure correct alignment.  It is a very big rocket, over 30 inches high!"

 

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The Jupiter C kit AMCDave put me onto arrived and the problems of warping and all that the review Big Jim pointed me to were no where to be seen.  The kit went together cleanly and quickly.  Not much to a rocket.  I will paint it tomorrow.  Its almost exactly 18" long and so it will make a nice loooong load for a eight-axle flatcar.  Really fantastic.  

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