Santa Fe Warbonnet F7's

Man,  these are beautiful!  Thanks for posting. Glad to see that they are so striking!

VERY NICE

Hudson5432 posted:

....the grabs are a different color on 347C vs 44, and unit 44 has lift rings....

Do the prototypes differ in that regard for the real 347C and 44?

I have no idea.  I photographed the 344C several years ago at the CA RR Museum, so will have to dig out those slides and check.  I can't imagine that MTH would have taken the trouble to add or change something to the units that the unit did not have?  A friend has the Santa Fe "F" unit book, I forget who the author is, but will check when I have a chance.  These units cost a little more due to the glossy paint and nickel sides, but they really make the ATSF Warbonnet paint scheme stand out.  I believe that EMD used lacquer on their "F" units, so the MTH finish is probably close to the actual appearance.

phrankenstign posted:

Hudson5432 posted:

....the grabs are a different color on 347C vs 44, and unit 44 has lift rings....

Do the prototypes differ in that regard for the real 347C and 44?

They are right on the mark detail and paint wise. I just heard the red paint was slightly different between the two engines...

Tom

These are indeed beautiful!! MTH really does a great job, especially on their 2-rail motive power. Just outstanding!!

AWESOME, they are Beautiful. Thanks for posting the picture, and as a side note, your layout is really nice. Please post more pictures. Happy New Year, and happy railroading.

I love the bright Red!! Now, that is Santa Fe!!!! Thanks for sharing

Really pretty!  Such attention to detail and the freshly shopped finish gets MTH some major accolades from me.  WTG!

Bruce

They are very nice looking!  The MTH F7 has come a long way with this model.  A few inaccuracies but it's not my place to ruin someone else's joy and I'm in no position to comment after my particular F7 fiasco .....  

Especially nice to see on two rails.   

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GG1 4877 posted:

They are very nice looking!  The MTH F7 has come a long way with this model.  A few inaccuracies but it's not my place to ruin someone else's joy and I'm in no position to comment after my particular F7 fiasco .....  

Especially nice to see on two rails.   

WHY NOT? There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism. maybe if we get enough, they'll get it right the next time. There are enough photos (preferably builders photos) that we should know what these things look like, and this one has three small problems I can see right away.

P&D (now Atlas) came closest to getting it right.

Simon

Simon Winter posted:

GG1 4877 posted:

They are very nice looking!  The MTH F7 has come a long way with this model.  A few inaccuracies but it's not my place to ruin someone else's joy and I'm in no position to comment after my particular F7 fiasco .....  

Especially nice to see on two rails.   

WHY NOT? There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism. maybe if we get enough, they'll get it right the next time. There are enough photos (preferably builders photos) that we should know what these things look like, and this one has three small problems I can see right away.

P&D (now Atlas) came closest to getting it right.

Simon

Builders photo's are great for units fresh out of the EMD box, but Santa Fe F's in particular tended to go through quite a few minor changes as they cycled through the shops during their service lives.  I suspect very few (if any) looked exactly like their builder's photos when they were stricken from the roster.

Rusty

Are all three units powered? 

Now that is a really nice looking train!

The "A" units are each powered, and the "B" unit is a dummy.  I don't know at what stage of their existence they were modeled.  I heard that these units originally had a single headlight, and that a Mars light was added later.  Both "A" units have Mars lights.  Grab irons on the nose up to the windshield were also added later.

I looked again at the red colors of the two "A" units and any difference, if it exists, is not obvious.

The first batch of 16 class F3's were delivered without Mars lights, as were the 37 class F7's.  Within 18 months of operation they were retrofitted with Mars lights.  The 300 and 325 class F7's came with Mars lights.  I don't recall exactly when, but the grab irons for access to the cab windshield was mandated somewhere in the 1950's.

None were delivered with 5 chime horns that I can tell.

One can really go off into the weeds as far as what was on a Santa Fe F7.  It all depends on when a photo of a particular unit was taken.

Rusty

Rusty Traque posted:

One can really go off into the weeds as far as what was on a Santa Fe F7.  It all depends on when a photo of a particular unit was taken.

Rusty

If a manufacturer plans to advertise a product as being an accurate model of a prototype, then it's fine as long as they have a photograph of at least ONE train car/locomotive with the same features and paint scheme.  Whether most had specific options added or not is irrelevant as long as the model had the same options as is shown in the picture.