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Hi guys....just thought I would chime in with something that will help in smoke output on the new smoking caboose.  First of all, I was not happy, as most, with the volume (or lack) of smoke.  Lionel has often introduced some very nice material but I often wonder if they test their products relative to marketing and customer satisfaction.  The lack of smoke in the caboose is so poor that it does need a remedy and I am not sure Lionel will fix the issue.  I took apart the caboose.  The two screws in the end doors need to be removed.  Carefully bend the end rails slightly forward so the break wheels will clear the both body ends and lift the body  carefully up.  The stack will follow but remember to protect the roof area around the stack with tape as the top may mar the roof top finish.  The caboose roof will be leverage to help remove the stack.

 

Inside is a voltage regulator that puts out less the 2 volts to a Lionel smoke element inside the top chamber regardless of track voltage.  I removed the two screws and the top half of the smoke unit.  I then removed the Lionel smoke element and replaced with a new AF smoke element.  Use all he windings in the AF unit as they come wrapped around the wick and cut the floss so that only about an inch remains from the end of each element winding so there is enough room in the lower half of the smoke basin.  The leads from the AF unit come out from where the leads from the Lionel unit were.  I wired the unit direct to the switch and forgot the voltage regulator.   When assembling the top cover back place a spacer washer between the two halves...where the screws are.  This will help the unit "breathe"... i needs input air not just from the stack to gain smoke volume. Assemble all back together and you find a dramatic increase in the smoke output!!!  Just the way Lionel should have made it.  Just remember to keep the wick wet or turn your switch off when not using.  Remember, you just voided your warranty but you have a great, working, smoke caboose.  I have tested my caboose at 12 volts for 4 hours total without issue. Even with the change it is still difficult to see the volume increase in a running train with conventional operation but with TMCC or voltage set at 15 volts and slower running the effect is nice.   Blessings and the best.....

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I guess the amount of smoke appreciated from the caboose is up to the user.  Lionel has been making smoking cabooses for some time in O gauge.  When I communicated with their customer service manager he said it producted a prototypical amount of smoke for a potbellied stove in a caboose.  So what it produces is by design and not a error for them to fix.  

 

Also, they had design issues to keep the heat from the smoke unit from damaging the shell.  This is why it took so long to be produced. The voltage regulator may have been there to prevent this problem.

 

I am satisfied with the wisp of smoke it produces and you weren't.  The difference is a personal matter.

Thanks so much for your reply and you are exactly correct.  It is in fact up to the buyer re the satisfaction of the product.  The only issue is the AF guys have always been used to great smoke output and choo choo sounds in their engine production.  It is too much to expect that to transfer over to a smoking caboose I suppose if O gauge folks have not raised he concern.  I contend that anyone who does not know it is a smoking caboose and viewed it running on a train consist would not notice it is a smoking caboose...I sure couldn't so I corrected the item.  Even the best and current and expensive Lionel production AF engines do not come close to the smoke output of the 1946 to end of production original AF engines and Lionel even supplies a volume for the smoke output production.   The other manufacture, MTH, got it correct with a substantial fan driven and synch production to his products that produces tons of realistic smoke.  Just a matter of preference as you mention....Blessings....Den   

Got a chance to 'play' with my smoking caboose today.

 

I removed the package marks on the roof with a gentle two-step application and removal of soft scrub and a clear coat auto polish ... something that one can do with semi-gloss black. Because I operate in constant 15 volt TMCC/Legacy mode, I swapped the stock 12 volt light bulb with an 18 volt bulb to subdue the lighting a wee bit. After an application of 6 drops of Lionel premium smoke fluid down the chimney with a pipette, I obtained a quite visible, pleasing (to me) smoke plume in about ~15 sec. consistent with the action of a pot belly stove. When the train is stopped or creeping along, I believe that visitors will readily see the smoke.

 

All in all, good to go.

 

Bob

 

PS: MTH has yet to offer any steam engine model in 'S' let alone one that smokes. The L-AF Challenger and Y3a do smoke well without creating a health hazard. 

"The other manufacture, MTH, got it correct with a substantial fan driven and synch production to his products that produces tons of realistic smoke." 

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