Streamlined "O" Steam Locos - Suggestions?

@Andrew-Porter posted:

I've been acquiring streamlined steam locomotives in the last few years and I think I might have reached the limits of the genre. I have been following Fred Van Der Lubbe's website with its streamlined collection posts.

Question: Did K-Line, Weaver, Williams, etc. produce streamlined steam models? I already own an Ace Coronation, a K-Line PRR 4812, a Weaver Yellow Jacket, a Williams Hudson, a 3rd Rail NYC Mercury.

Here are a couple of photos of the models I already have:

What about the Pennsylvania S1 and T1??? I have both that Lionel made, some of the other manufacturers may have as well.

Off the top of my head...

N&W "J": Williams, MTH, Lionel

CP Royal Hudson: Weaver, MTH

CP Selkirk: 3rd Rail

NYC 20th Century Ltd. Dreyfus: Lionel, MTH

NYC Empire State Express: MTH

UP 49er Pacific: Weaver, MTH RailKing

New Haven I-5: Weaver

SP Daylight GS4: Lionel, MTH

SP GS6: Lionel, MTH

Rusty

Weaver, Lehigh Valley, 4-6-2, "Black Diamond".

MTH, Canadian Pacific, Hudson.

Nice examples, Andrew.

Weaver made a New Haven Railroad I-5 Hudson. I assume you already have a Norfolk & Western J-Class #611 made by MTH and others.

MELGAR

Weaver also did the streamlined B&O Cincinnatian.

Sunset 3rd Rail had short run for B&O P-7e 5315, which had a smooth faced pilot and running board side skirting. But I guess that's more semi-streamlining than a full measure job.

Sunset 3rd Rail also had planned to do the B&O's first Otto Kuhler streamlined bullet nosed, Royal Blue 4-6-2 and a set of cars for it but dropped the project for lack of interest.

S. Islander 

Under "semi-streamlined," Weaver also made a Santa Fe Valley Flyer.  Lionel also cataloged a less accurate version in the last catalog.

Rusty

You could add a prewar Lionel 238, 4-4-0 Pennsylvania torpedo from the 1930s if you want to go that far back.

Charlie

You have a long way to go - here are some additional engines

Scale Models - Weaver

Hiawatha (note there is the 4-4-2 version too)

PRR

Lehigh Valley - Black Diamond

Lehigh Valley John Wilkes

...and if you decide to expand into the more toy like realm there's even more...here's a few examples

Lionel

American Flyer

Marx

JEP

etc.

Add these (all Pacifics):

Weaver Southern Tennessean

Williams PRR K4s #1120 bullet-nose

Weaver B&O Cincinnatian

Weaver UP 49er

also Weaver CP F1A Jubilee 4-4-4

You're not even close. Some that were missed in the above collections.  Here's a few that I have.

The Reading Crusader.

C&O M-1 Coal Turbine

How about the Union Pacific M10000?  Wait, that's a diesel, but it's cool.

Let's add the Southern Tennessean and the Reading RR's Crusader with those neat passenger cars. Both made by Weaver.

Gerry

@Apples55 posted:

What about the Pennsylvania S1 and T1??? I have both that Lionel made, some of the other manufacturers may have as well.

I have the PRR 6111; bought it from Mr. Muffin.

@Rusty Traque posted:

Off the top of my head...

N&W "J": Williams, MTH, Lionel

CP Royal Hudson: Weaver, MTH

CP Selkirk: 3rd Rail

NYC 20th Century Ltd. Dreyfus: Lionel, MTH

NYC Empire State Express: MTH

UP 49er Pacific: Weaver, MTH RailKing

New Haven I-5: Weaver

SP Daylight GS4: Lionel, MTH

SP GS6: Lionel, MTH

Rusty

Good suggestions. I've got the Dreyfuss, the 49er, the GS-4. Just bought the Lionel 6-38000 NYC 4-6-4 Empire State. Came in this week from Trainz. I don't yet have the John Wilkes, but do have the Crusader. I don't want to collect anything but "O", so no S or toy trains.

I will have to Google the others.

Some more images of my engines:

I also have other, nonstreamlined trains, including the Lionel trains I got from my brother from my childhood, and others I bought before I decided to specialize in streamliners.

I live in a 1-bedroom apt in NYC, and with my thousands of books, plus original SF artwork, trying not to start looking loke a hoarder!

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

You're not even close. Some that were missed in the above collections.  Here's a few that I have.

C&O M-1 Coal Turbine

How about the Union Pacific M10000?  Wait, that's a diesel, but it's cool.

The Coal Turbine: thought about it, but decided to pass. The UP M1000 is cool, but to gain the full impact, you need the passenger cars. The only passenger cars I have are the ones I got from my brother, the Lionel 2400, 01 and 02.

Her's another photo, my custom-built (from Classywoods; he's out of business) shelves:

On top of the shelf is a plastic 1:50 model I built from a kit decades ago.

@gmorlitz posted:

Let's add the Southern Tennessean... made by Weaver.

Gerry

Thanks. Didn't know about the Southern Tennessean. Will definitely acquire that!

Did Weaver ever do catalogs, and are they on line anywhere?

I want to say a big Thank You to everyone who has commented so far. These are wonderful suggestions, and I'll follow them up. As soon as I play musical books, move things around, sell off more of my book collection!

And speaking of toys, I was given these as a child in that early 1950s. Wooden toys from Strombecker, which I only identified by going to the N-Y Historical Society:

Bob mentioned the K4 1120 by Williams.  A lot of folks do not know about this Pennsy engine and the three others that were streamlined.  Most know about the K4 "Torpedo", which is much different looking.  In fact, I like the looks of the streamlined engines better than the Torpedo.  Here is Williams #1120.

You'll have to build this one, once you are through with your "as-is" collection (just make sure you at least have the Century and ESE Hudsons, and the Southern Tennessean Ps-4). I started with a 1980's Williams brass Heavy USRA 4-6-2 and an old 1940's Lobaugh(?) tender.  Train America TMCC/RS.

The Louisville and Nashville had 3 of these stream-styled Pacifics (there were differences between them).

BTW, both below Otto Kuhler-styled. It shows. I don't have the LV locos, alas.

@Andrew-Porter posted:

I have the PRR 6111; bought it from Mr. Muffin.

Nice, Andrew. Both the T1 and S1 were streamlined by Raymond Loewy. If you’ve got the room (it’s a beast - almost as long as my Vision Line BigBoy), the S1 would be a great addition!!!

3rdRail did two additional locomotives.

N&W K-2

NYC Mercury

They also made the N&W Jawn Henry.

Jan

I really like the streamlined (art deco) steam engines. For the manufacturers they seem to be hard sells. For example, Weaver announced the NH I-5 in the early 2000's. I put a deposit on it. A year and a half later it still hadn't arrived. MTH put one in their catalog. I cancelled the Weaver and went with the MTH. MTH didn't get enough pre-orders to make it. So they didn't. I think Weaver eventually did a second run, but I was tuned out on it by then, so I didn't order it. I eventually got a used one and Marty Fitz upgraded mine (and his) to DCS. Great engine.

MTH was looking for a Lionel Commodore Vanderbilt Hudson, which I had, and Marty Fitz put me in touch with them. I sold them a Lionel 18045. I assumed they were going to make a premier Commodore. They never did. But Lionel made several versions of the Commodore Hudson, including a red one and a blue one. Those were "hot" for a while. My assumption is that they had a lot of shells unsold from their initial (or second) order. Maybe MTH knew that.

I suspect the best seller of streamlined steamers is the N&W J. Probably because Lionel made it in the 50's. Life can be strange.

Gerry

Another Weaver

@WITZ 41 posted:

Another Weaver

Absolutely beautiful!!!

For diesel trains, CB&Q's Pioneer Zephyr has been produced by American Flyer, Lionel, MTH Premier & RailKing, and 3rd Rail-Sunset.  Mark Twain Zephyr versions have also been produced.

I would love to have a detailed CB&Q streamlined Aeolus Hudson steamer in 3-rail O-gauge.  Precision Scale has made an expensive & beautiful version in 2-rail O-Scale.    MTH has made versions of the Aeolus #4000 & #4001 with their C&O yellow belly tooling.  Although not very accurate, I really like its look.  

Here's one I wish they made, shame there's no color photos of this citrus paint scheme:

Given your interest in the streamline period there are three books you really should read.  The first two are combination autobiography/history/personal philosophy of design and the third consists of pictures of all of the streamlined steamers along with a brief history of their existence. I think all three are excellent reads.

1. Never Leave Well Enough Alone - Loewy

2. My Iron Journey - Kuhler

3. The Steam Liners - Holland

@Jan posted:

3rdRail did two additional locomotives.

N&W K-2

NYC Mercury

They also made the N&W Jawn Henry.

Jan

Thanks. Have both; bought the NYC Mercury from someone on the OGR Forum.

@Robert S. Butler posted:

Given your interest in the streamline period there are three books you really should read.  The first two are combination autobiography/history/personal philosophy of design and the third consists of pictures of all of the streamlined steamers along with a brief history of their existence. I think all three are excellent reads.

1. Never Leave Well Enough Alone - Loewy

2. My Iron Journey - Kuhler

3. The Steam Liners - Holland

Thank you; I will look for them.

@WITZ 41 posted:

Another Weaver

Yes, gorgeous. It's on a shelf a few feet from where I'm sitting. Three of my photos of it:

Thanks again to everyone for your suggestions! I knew I could count on the Massed Minds here on the OGR Forum.

Here's another of my photos of locos I've bought:

Google has come through for us! I've found a source of old Weaver Trains catalogs, owners manuals, ads and the like. You can download them, too!

@Apples55 posted:

Nice, Andrew. Both the T1 and S1 were streamlined by Raymond Loewy. If you’ve got the room (it’s a beast - almost as long as my Vision Line BigBoy), the S1 would be a great addition!!!

In real life the S1 is 6’ longer than the Big Boy.

How about a Streamlined Coronation class from Ace Trains of London?

On the smaller end of the streamline scale,  this gorgeous old set from JEP is on the 'bay right now

Andrew,

The website you linked above is really only as good as what people are willing to upload to it.  With respect to the Weaver catalogs, it only has about half of the ones I already possess, and it has nothing before 2004.  One might get luckier with the internet Wayback Machine.

Chuck

@rplst8 posted:

In real life the S1 is 6’ longer than the Big Boy.

And the S1 was not articulated leading to it being a one-off!!!

@jhz563 posted:

How about a Streamlined Coronation class from Ace Trains of London?

On the smaller end of the streamline scale,  this gorgeous old set from JEP is on the 'bay right now

Thanks for the suggestions. I have a Coronation Class train from Ace in London (photo below). And I'm not interested in toy trains (although I do have a few from decades ago.

@PRR1950 posted:

Andrew,

The website you linked above is really only as good as what people are willing to upload to it.  With respect to the Weaver catalogs, it only has about half of the ones I already possess, and it has nothing before 2004.  One might get luckier with the internet Wayback Machine.

Chuck

I don't have any Weaver catalogs, so this was quite a find for me. Have you scanned in any of your catalogs and posted them anywhere on the Internet? I'm sure there'd be no objection from the heirs to Weaver.

I noticed, by the way, that Weaver still has a page on Facebook, though obviously it hasn't been updated since 2014.

I've been downloading and looking through old OGR issues, and I noticed the vast number of companies and trains available 20 years ago. The question I have is, what happened?!? When and why was there a decrease in "O" Gauge companies? Is the answer in OGR issues I haven't looked at yet?

Lastly, does anyone have a source for Pecos River Brass, Williams, and K-Line catalogs—and did they do any streamlined steam?

Thanks again.

@Andrew-Porter posted:

Thanks for the suggestions. I have a Coronation Class train from Ace in London (photo below). And I'm not interested in toy trains (although I do have a few from decades ago.

No problem.  I actually like your blue Coronation better than the white and black ones I have seen online. 

I can also say that the Weaver LV Streamlined locomotives were something I always wanted as a kid.   I can understand your desire to collect streamliners.

What about a Mallard?

@jhz563 posted:

What about a Mallard?

I bought one from Hatton's Trains in the UK. All sorts of problems: came with a bunch of things to be added, with little instruction. Body and tender made of plastic.

Coal load separate, had to be inserted into tender—and didn't fit! Finally I had to saw off a piece and file down sharp edges to insert it. Tender attached to engine by very thin piece of metal, held together with Phillips head screw—so you couldn't see details inside cab until you separated them. A few months after I received it, more bits to be added to engine mailed loose to me from the UK in flimsy 9x12 envelope, so arrived broken into several pieces! Just put all the bits and pieces into the box, never to de dealt with.

Here are some of my photos:

@Andrew-Porter posted:

I bought one from Hatton's Trains in the UK. All sorts of problems: came with a bunch of things to be added, with little instruction. Body and tender made of plastic.

Coal load separate, had to be inserted into tender—and didn't fit! Finally I had to saw off a piece and file down sharp edges to insert it. Tender attached to engine by very thin piece of metal, held together with Phillips head screw—so you couldn't see details inside cab until you separated them. A few months after I received it, more bits to be added to engine mailed loose to me from the UK in flimsy 9x12 envelope, so arrived broken into several pieces! Just put all the bits and pieces into the box, never to de dealt with.

Here are some of my photos:

Sorry you had so many issues with it, looks beautiful.  I guess Ace made one too, reportedly reliable but loud.

Then there's Weaver's GTW/CN U4B/U4A 4-8-4...

Probably "semi-streamlined"?

KD

@dkdkrd posted:

Then there's Weaver's GTW/CN U4B/U4A 4-8-4...

Probably "semi-streamlined"?

KD

Thanks! Will put that on my list to purchase.

@jhz563 posted:

Sorry you had so many issues with it, looks beautiful.  I guess Ace made one too, reportedly reliable but loud.

If you see all those little bits on the front, they're all plastic and come off way too easily. If anyone buys one of these, unless you're extremely careful, pieces will snag and come off. So it just sits on my shelf, on display.

I have one of these from Weaver (the 49er):

, Q, brute runner

Daily runnersLionel 2 rail forsaleT-1 in reserve

T-1 runners

Near side MTH T-1 is 3/8" shy

Williams in reserve, never run

(Surprise, it arrived in a Weaver box ??)

@Apples55 posted:

Both the T1 and S1 were streamlined by Raymond Loewy. If you’ve got the room (it’s a beast - almost as long as my Vision Line BigBoy), the S1 would be a great addition!!!

I see Mr. Muffin is offering this, this week. Owell, it's only money (gasp,choke...)

I'd definitely recommend a royal hudson. Both Weaver and MTH have made some, MTH in both Railking and Premier.

@Tom Tee posted:

T-1 runners

Can I ask, which two models are those?

@rplst8 posted:

Can I ask, which two models are those?

One of them is likely to be the 3rd Rail model as it's currently sitting under my workbench after a repair trip.

The T1 with the red smokestacks must be the MTH model.  It's the only one I know of with red stacks.

By the way, the streamlined K4s #1120 in Tom's photo is a Williams model and not a Weaver.  I have that model and it is a good runner.

@Andrew-Porter posted:

I see Mr. Muffin is offering this, this week. Owell, it's only money (gasp,choke...)

I saw that email from Mr. Muffins, Andrew. It is tempting... Must. Stop. Buying. Trains... Luckily, I have the TMCC version, so resistance isn’t futile. Must. Stop. Buying. Trains... Aaarrrrgggghhh!!!

@Bob posted:

The T1 with the red smokestacks must be the MTH model.  It's the only one I know of with red stacks.

By the way, the streamlined K4s #1120 in Tom's photo is a Williams model and not a Weaver.  I have that model and it is a good runner.

Bob;

The Lionel TMCC version of the T1 also had the red smoke stacks.

The two T1s in Tom’s T-1 runners photo are models of the prototypes, which Lionel did not make.

It could be the photo angle, but doesn’t the engine farther back look longer?

@CAPPilot posted:

The two T1s in Tom’s T-1 runners photo are models of the prototypes, which Lionel did not make.

It could be the photo angle, but doesn’t the engine farther back look longer?

Oops... missed that the photo was of the prototype. Mea Culpa!!!

And, yes, the rear engine looks longer.

@CAPPilot posted:

The two T1s in Tom’s T-1 runners photo are models of the prototypes, which Lionel did not make.

It could be the photo angle, but doesn’t the engine farther back look longer?

Longer and bigger.  It also has the blunt nose with full skirting.  I’ve never seen that combination before.

If there is a size difference, I wonder which is more correct.

@CAPPilot posted:

Bob mentioned the K4 1120 by Williams.  A lot of folks do not know about this Pennsy engine and the three others that were streamlined.  Most know about the K4 "Torpedo", which is much different looking.  In fact, I like the looks of the streamlined engines better than the Torpedo.  Here is Williams #1120.

love this ,took me years to get one,,,just wish it had a whistle,,but stunning

@Apples55 posted:

I saw that email from Mr. Muffins, Andrew. It is tempting... Must. Stop. Buying. Trains... Luckily, I have the TMCC version, so resistance isn’t futile. Must. Stop. Buying. Trains... Aaarrrrgggghhh!!!

Too late. Have just pre-ordered the locomotive.

I'm waiting for the end of Covid-19 to give some of my books to a local college library—we had agreed to the deal before everything shut down—which will free up more train display space. But now...

The already mentioned Canadian Pacific Royal Hudson made by Weaver.

This great engine(IMO) is one of the stunning locomotives made as far as how it looks. Classy comes to mind. I have yet to send this out for an upgrade, maybe next week as I still have to contact Alex M to do his magic.

You absolutely must get one of the scale NYC Dreyfuss Hudsons.  I have 3, two from MTH and the Williams Master Series loco that I keep in a display case above my layout.  This loco is pure art from the finest brass craftsmen.  It is also dynamic mechanical art when in motion.  One of my favorite locos. The picture does not do it justice, a truely magnificent engine when viewed in person.  Be sure not to confuse this one with the earlier Williams Dreyfuss.  There is no comparison between the two engines.

I did not see the Weaver Milwaukee F7 Hudson mentioned either.  Another example of brass craftsmanship at its finest for 3 rail O gauge.

@Andrew-Porter posted:

Too late. Have just pre-ordered the locomotive.

I'm waiting for the end of Covid-19 to give some of my books to a local college library—we had agreed to the deal before everything shut down—which will free up more train display space. But now...

Congrats, Andrew. I think you’ll love the engine.

“Slip sliding away, slip sliding away

You know the nearer your destination

The more you're slip sliding away”

@CBQ_Bill posted:

I would love to have a detailed CB&Q streamlined Aeolus Hudson steamer in 3-rail O-gauge.  Precision Scale has made an expensive & beautiful version in 2-rail O-Scale.  MTH made versions of the Aeolus #4000 & #4001 with their C&O yellow belly tooling.  Although not very accurate, I really like its look.  

The 2018 Precision Scale catalog is here:

https://www.precisionscaleco.c...le-Passenger-WOP.pdf

I presume this is what you're talking about? As I just display them, I don't care whether engines are 2- or 3-rail.

Incidentally, is anyone going to the Greenberg show in Edison, NJ, August 14-15? I have a ticket, but with Covid Delta sweeping the country, I'm debating whether or not I'll go.

@RLaHaie posted:

You absolutely must get one of the scale NYC Dreyfuss Hudsons.  I have 3, two from MTH and the Williams Master Series loco that I keep in a display case above my layout.  This loco is pure art from the finest brass craftsmen.  It is also dynamic mechanical art when in motion.  One of my favorite locos. The picture does not do it justice, a truely magnificent engine when viewed in person.  Be sure not to confuse this one with the earlier Williams Dreyfuss.  There is no comparison between the two engines.

I did not see the Weaver Milwaukee F7 Hudson mentioned either.  Another example of brass craftsmanship at its finest for 3 rail O gauge.

I've got one from Williams (I suspect it the one you don't like). I bought it at the Westchester Toy & Train show about 3 years ago now. One of my first acquisitions. No one else wanted it because, I was told, it doesn't run in reverse. So I got it cheap.

Here's your photo, slightly lightened, improved contrast and shadows and cropped, followed by my photo of the engine I bought:

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

The already mentioned Canadian Pacific Royal Hudson made by Weaver.

This great engine(IMO) is one of the stunning locomotives made as far as how it looks. Classy comes to mind. I have yet to send this out for an upgrade, maybe next week as I still have to contact Alex M to do his magic.

It's a good looking machine, but it ain't streamlined! So, as he said when offered some Korean Kimchee, thanks but no thanks.

Yes that is the early one.  Not very detailed and really not a good representation of the Dreyfuss in my opinion.  The two streamlined vrass Williams/Weaver pacifics are great engines.  They are a little noisy but once you put a sound system in them you don't really notice the noise.

Rolland

@Andrew-Porter posted:

It's a good looking machine, but it ain't streamlined! So, as he said when offered some Korean Kimchee, thanks but no thanks.

Yes, you are correct.

If we want to get technical, the Royal Hudson is considered a semi-streamlined locomotive.
Weaver's Santa Fe Valley Flyer, Weaver's Lackawanna Pacific (w/ Pocono Mountain Route on the side), and Lionel's Asa Packer are other examples of semi-streamlined.  I personally lump everything into the "streamlined" category but everyone has their own preference.

Bryce

@RLaHaie posted:

Yes that is the early one.  Not very detailed and really not a good representation of the Dreyfuss in my opinion.  The two streamlined vrass Williams/Weaver pacifics are great engines.  They are a little noisy but once you put a sound system in them you don't really notice the noise.

Rolland

A few weeks ago I also bought another version of this, the Lionel 6-38000, from Trainz.com. I just display the  trains, don't run them, so control systems and operating stats are irrelevant. This:

It is too bad that you don't run these engines.  The Empire State Express loco has a wonderful whistle and is a really strong puller.  It was released by MTH with 18" aluminum passenger cars which are just beautiful.  I routinely pull 11 of them with this engine.

Rolland

Just bought the John Wilkes from Trainz.com . I went to the Greenberg Show in Edison, NJ, on Saturday, where, much to my dismay, many people were not wearing masks. Found nothing there to my liking, though I did buy a bunch of Lionel track.

Here's the John Wilkes:

Here's a shot or two of the Milwaukee Road's "A" Class 4-4-2 Hiawathas. I have one Lionel version and three Weaver versions. One of the duplicates will be re-numbered to #4 when I have some time.

One that would make many Lionel streamlined steam fans ecstatic: the C&O Hudson.

This Williams Brass K4 works pretty nice for me.

@Dylan the Train Man posted:

One that would make many Lionel streamlined steam fans ecstatic: the C&O Hudson.

Yup, have it:

This is a screenshot of the Pratt-Hollow Phantom II, as described in an issue of OGR. Is this real, or an April Fool? And if real, who produced it?

@Andrew-Porter posted:

This is a screenshot of the Pratt-Hollow Phantom II, as described in an issue of OGR. Is this real, or an April Fool? And if real, who produced it?

Lionel.

Rusty

Good catch on my T-1's,  I  Just measured them.  The MTH locomotive is 3/8" short. The photo really exaggerated the difference.  The are both silent runners.

The PRR Williams engine...well it came in a Weaver box?!?  Have to find the box and recheck the label.

Corrections made, thank you guys.

That 6-3800 is a great loco. I usually run mine with the separate sale PT Tender and the matching CC2 Empire State cars. I love the detailed interiors, it's one of my favorite trains to run.

I suspect when the one of my two 6-28084 20th Century Hundson's returns from an overhaul by a certain forum member and upgrading genius that my 20th Century set will supplant the Empire State as my favorite.

@Rusty Traque posted:

Lionel.

Rusty

Thanks. I see it was already discussed here on the OGR Forum:

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...onel-phantom-6-81470

I see a 3rd Rail PRR Q1 for sale on the OGR Forum, here:

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/fs-3rd-rail-q1

Tempting, but I've already shelled out a whole bunch of money in August. What do you think?

I'd go for Q1 Andrew - remember, trains will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no trains!

Update: had a health scare—had my annual check-up at Memorial Sloan Kettering and they found a high cancer marker, so needed a CT scan. Had that hanging over me from mid-November until last week, when results showed no new cancer. Big relief! But didn't think about trains for an entire month. Still have 4 engines packed in their boxes, unopened—and postponed work on displaying more engines until I knew where I stood.

Off next week to the World Science Fiction Convention in Washington DC by train. Incredibly, my very first of those conventions was also in DC, in 1963, the weekend after the March on Washington. A mind-boggling 58 years ago!

@Andrew-Porter posted:

Off next week to the World Science Fiction Convention in Washington DC by train. Incredibly, my very first of those conventions was also in DC, in 1963,

Sci-fi. Used to read a lot of it starting in the 50's. Still watch it when it's good. A lot of it is; a lot of it isn't, and for some reason "fantasy and horror" (ghosts and such) got lumped together with the sci-fi over the years. Not good.

Heinlein. Asimov (and many others). Yeah. Spooks and demons? Nah.

The PRR S1 actually longer than a Big Boy!

Ron

@Andrew-Porter posted:

Update: had a health scare—had my annual check-up at Memorial Sloan Kettering and they found a high cancer marker, so needed a CT scan. Had that hanging over me from mid-November until last week, when results showed no new cancer. Big relief! But didn't think about trains for an entire month. Still have 4 engines packed in their boxes, unopened—and postponed work on displaying more engines until I knew where I stood.

Off next week to the World Science Fiction Convention in Washington DC by train. Incredibly, my very first of those conventions was also in DC, in 1963, the weekend after the March on Washington. A mind-boggling 58 years ago!

Andrew;

Glad to hear you got great results... enjoy the convention. Looking forward to the unveiling of your latest additions to the streamline collection.

@D500 posted:

Heinlein. Asimov (and many others). Yeah. Spooks and demons? Nah.

D500;

Asimov is still my favorite Sci-Fi writer (Heinlein and Bradbury are in a close race for second). I can’t remember the name, but Asimov wrote an amazing story that begins as a trip on the Lexington Ave. subway, beginning at the Junction (Flatbush Ave.), Newkirk Ave., Beverly Road...

@Apples55 posted:

Asimov is still my favorite Sci-Fi writer (Heinlein and Bradbury are in a close race for second). I can’t remember the name, but Asimov wrote an amazing story that begins as a trip on the Lexington Ave. subway, beginning at the Junction (Flatbush Ave.), Newkirk Ave., Beverly Road...

Asimov is one of the many science fiction authors I know and knew. Here's one of my photos of him (on the right). He's using an engraving tool to autograph someone's Macintosh computer!

I was told about a coming Stout Auction for the Southern Tennessean, and have placed a bid for it.

Update: I've bought a Williams GG-1 (Williams 41851, PRR #4909) to replace the K-line one (K2780-49121C) I bought a couple of years ago; the new model is not a condensed GG-1. I'm giving the old one to a friend.

I also bought a  Weaver Southern Tennessean via a Stout auction, paying way too much for it (with premium, handling, shipping, it came to about $1,700). And I've been playing musical books and trains, in order to display everything. Here are the two locomotives:

Well, I lied to myself. Said I wasn't interested in streamlined Diesels, but... Just bought an MTH 20-20357-1 Streamlined Zephyr Diesel set from someone here on the Forum. Just hope I have the room to display it all in one piece. This:

I see it was a while back, but glad to hear about the clean scan!  Had one myself a couple weeks ago.  Still have the port in my chest from a bout with the big C.  We are the lucky ones.  Now that you have a clear head again you can enjoy those cool trains.  Great job!

I've put the Williams 5010 PRR K4S 4-6-2 on my wish-list at Trainz.com. In the last few weeks I've taken a big hit on the value of my stocks, but the pressure of "must-buy-more-trains!" is starting to build up again, so...

@Andrew-Porter posted:

I've put the Williams 5010 PRR K4S 4-6-2 on my wish-list at Trainz.com. In the last few weeks I've taken a big hit on the value of my stocks, but the pressure of "must-buy-more-trains!" is starting to build up again, so...

As mentioned a couple of times in this topic, the four "Streamlined" engines like this K4 1120 by Williams are better liked by many over the K4 "Torpedo".  The Torpedo is fully streamlined but for some reason just doesn't look right to me, like the proportions are off or something.  My 1120 looks great double headed with a non streamlined K4 pulling passenger consists.

in O scale would be my wish ... and the cars to go with -

Sunset did a brass HO scale version -

Ron

@ryoung3 posted:

in O scale would be my wish ... and the cars to go with -

Sunset did a brass HO scale version -

But I only collect O Gauge trains, so will pass on this!

@PRRronbh posted:

Ron

Nice—and I've already got one! Here it is in the MTH catalog:

I am sucker for streamlined 4-6-4's. The  Milwaukee Road Hiawatha,  CB&Q Aeolus,  Canadian Pacific Royal Hudson. Even the C&O Hudson is stunning. The one that I really think is a beautiful engine is the CNW 4-6-4. MTH made one and it is a beauty.

RAY

@Andrew-Porter posted:

Nice—and I've already got one! Here it is in the MTH catalog:

Andrew, is this Premier or RailKing?  I do not recall an MTH Premier model.

Ron

@PRRronbh posted:

Andrew, is this Premier or RailKing?  I do not recall an MTH Premier model.

Ron

RailKing.

@Ray of sunshine posted:

I am sucker for streamlined 4-6-4's. The  Milwaukee Road Hiawatha,  CB&Q Aeolus,  Canadian Pacific Royal Hudson. Even the C&O Hudson is stunning. The one that I really think is a beautiful engine is the CNW 4-6-4. MTH made one and it is a beauty.

RAY

Yup. It's in one of those plexiglass displays on the bookcase just behind my chair as I type this. Here's one of my photos of this:

I wish someone would make the T&NO Sunbeam. That is the Texas version of the Daylight and ran between Houston and Dallas. Here is a picture of the Sunbeam used in an ad from Coachyard. T&NO Sunbeam

@ryoung3 posted:

in O scale would be my wish ... and the cars to go with -

Sunset did a brass HO scale version -

I wish too. Will only happen when cows fly.  Actually, probably not even then ☹️☹️

@Texas Eagle 77 posted:

I wish someone would make the T&NO Sunbeam. That is the Texas version of the Daylight and ran between Houston and Dallas. Here is a picture of the Sunbeam used in an ad from Coachyard. T&NO Sunbeam

I’d love to see this one too !!!!!!  It’s very Texas-centric. I don’t think enough “Every day” Espee fans would join the Texans to get this to fly. It would take a firm 100 reservations to fly at 3rd Rail. Who knows what the price would be even with 100 reservations. Brass steam in O gauge has gotten very difficult to get enough support to fly. ☹️☹️☹️☹️☹️

@Andrew-Porter posted:

Update: I've bought a Williams GG-1 (Williams 41851, PRR #4909) to replace the K-line one (K2780-49121C) I bought a couple of years ago; the new model is not a condensed GG-1. I'm giving the old one to a friend.

I also bought a  Weaver Southern Tennessean via a Stout auction, paying way too much for it (with premium, handling, shipping, it came to about $1,700). And I've been playing musical books and trains, in order to display everything. Here are the two locomotives:

I passed on that Southern Tennessean as it got WAY past my max. 😮🫢😵‍💫😳

@TrainBub posted:

I passed on that Southern Tennessean as it got WAY past my max. 😮🫢😵‍💫😳

If you look at earlier posts here, you'll see that I have no wife, no kids. I get a lot of satisfaction at staring at my engines, on my shelves—some in front of the books I've also got a large collection of. Here's a photo of a train in front of one of my bookshelves. I think the fact that the engine ¢o$t so much is balanced by the pleasure I have in owning it.

Since you live in the New York City area, you should be familiar with the old New Haven Railroad. The NH ordered 10 of these streamlined Hudson types around 1936  from  Baldwin Locomotive Works and were delivered in February-May of 1937. Sadly they were only used until 1950 and on January 8, 1951 they were determined to be obsolete. None were ever preserved. To the best of my knowledge, only Weaver made an !-5 and they are like hens teeth to get today. Just another for you to consider adding to your collection. This is one of the best performers on my layout.  Bill

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...3#159096764955570883

OK Andrew: now get yourself the Proto3 MTH conversion, the MTH 30-1415-1 sound file - probably have to ditch the weaver sleuth smokestack - and you be rockin'

@Andrew-Porter posted:

If you look at earlier posts here, you'll see that I have no wife, no kids. I get a lot of satisfaction at staring at my engines, on my shelves—some in front of the books I've also got a large collection of. Here's a photo of a train in front of one of my bookshelves. I think the fact that the engine ¢o$t so much is balanced by the pleasure I have in owning it.

One of my own favorite locomotives and the silver ones can be had for less than the dark gray ones. Easily upgraded, as well!

thanks!

- Mario

@ryoung3 posted:

OK Andrew: now get yourself the Proto3 MTH conversion, the MTH 30-1415-1 sound file - probably have to ditch the weaver sleuth smokestack...

As I stated earlier here, and elsewhere on the OGR Forum, I don't run the trains, just display them. So don't care about "updating" or "sound files," or anything involved in their movement. Don't even have a transformer (well, I have one: the one my father bought us back in the 1940s). And no room in my 1-bedroom NYC apt for a layout.

No posts here for a while, but I wanted to mention that the exchange rate for the US Dollar versus the UK Pound is very favorable at the moment. The commercial rate is £1 = $1.22 as of this morning, he best for us in several years. So if anyone is thinking of buying anything from Hatton's Model Railways, or The Station Master's Rooms, now is the time to seriously think of acting.

These are what I have:

Andrew, you should have seen the recent e-bay auction for a like new Southern Tennessean. You mentioned the total price of yours at the Stout Auction - your hammer price was a bargain compared to the winning e-bay bid ($2144).

@Andrew-Porter posted:

Thanks. Didn't know about the Southern Tennessean. Will definitely acquire that!

Did Weaver ever do catalogs, and are they on line anywhere?

So from a year ago, my post really cost you some money. I had no idea that engine was going for that much. I admire the fact that you are very space limited and have to be selective about what you acquire. I was much less selective and have very much enjoyed what I acquired. But Disney tells us there is a circle of life and in my circle I am somewhere in the process of "thinning the herd". The acquisition was more fun than the thinning.

Gerry

@gmorlitz posted:

So from a year ago, my post really cost you some money. I had no idea that engine was going for that much. I admire the fact that you are very space limited and have to be selective about what you acquire. I was much less selective and have very much enjoyed what I acquired. But Disney tells us there is a circle of life and in my circle I am somewhere in the process of "thinning the herd". The acquisition was more fun than the thinning.

Gerry

Gorgeous engines! Good that you've got room for a layout. I have all these. Happily, my cousin, who is in my will as my executor, both reads science fiction (and has already taken some of my Tolkien books), and collects trains himself—though he's into "G"...

The next engines I want to acquire (though the Rivarossi is HO):

Andrew,

In an earlier post to your thread I mentioned Kuhler's autobiography My Iron Journey and I recommended it as something you might want to consider reading.  I thought I remembered his having something extra to say about the Southern engine so I looked it up this weekend.

  Based on the book text it sounds like the Southern never paid Kuhler for the design.  In his one page discussion he states he and his associate had a hurried meeting with Southern representatives, made their presentation, left a copy of the design with Southern, and heard nothing more.  A few months later Kuhler was heading out of Washington when he spotted his design sitting on an adjacent track.  When he had the chance he called his associate and asked if he had received the Southern order - the answer was "no" and, of course Kuhler had not been contacted.

  In the book his final comment was that he classified the design as a classic with minimum shrouding and he was grateful it was an exact copy "instead of being b*****d up with [Southern] backshop improvements."

Weaver did several custom runs (l think) of the Valley Flyer, (and maybe others?), and one of those was a Colorado and Southern partial streamliner of a Cheyenne to Texas C&S Pacific that resembled that of the Valley Flyer.

Haven't purchased any new trains since the Stout auction acquisition. Was planning a train trip to Chicago and back for Labor Day Weekend (this year's World Science Fiction Convention; next year is in China, and no way am I going) but tripped and broke my arm in early August, so had to cancel.

Still doing physical therapy for the break, but have started thinking about my next acquisitions...see my July 17th post.

Just bought this HO model from the Hatton's website in the UK. I know the exchange rate is pretty good in our favor right now, about £1.00 = $1.14. There was another HO loco available there, but it has Zink Pest disease, so...:

Passing on this one, with Zink Pest:

@Andrew-Porter posted:

I've put the Williams 5010 PRR K4S 4-6-2 on my wish-list at Trainz.com.

This became available again from Trainz.com, and I bought one.

I also found a source, at the Greenberg show after Thanksgiving, for the RivaRossi 2598 [cat #0339] HO engine I'm currently lusting for, but haven't yet sealed the deal, as they say. This:

Don't forget Hafner!

@Andrew-Porter posted:

I also found a source, at the Greenberg show after Thanksgiving, for the RivaRossi 2598 [cat #0339] HO engine I'm currently lusting for, but haven't yet sealed the deal, as they say. This:

I spoke to the dealer at the show, then I called him (twice!) and e-mailed him, and he's never gotten back to me. So I'm back to still wanting this. Very disappointing.

How about a Mercury?  One is listed at an upcoming Stout Auction.

@jhz563 posted:

How about a Mercury?  One is listed at an upcoming Stout Auction.

Never mind- I just realized your original post says you already have 1.

Happy New Year

I haven't bought any trains in the last 6-8 months; the one I'd like to acquire is that HO Rivarossi. This:

I do have a bunch of non-streamlined trains that I really should sell off...

@jhz563 posted:

How about a Mercury?  One is listed at an upcoming Stout Auction.

Have it!

I would like to see a Milwaukee Road Shrouded 4-6-0 North Woods Hiawatha ,  Or  a 4-6-2 Shrouded Chippawa Pacific , done correctly ,but not done by mth lionel

Haven't bought any more trains in the last few months...

I haven't bought any more "O" Gauge trains since earlier this year, though I did buy three HO engines. Honestly can't say that they're as impressive as the larger scale ones I got (yes, Size Does Matter!). Can I be (gasp!) All Done on buying engines?

Anyone out there with any more suggestions?

Here's one of the HO engines I bought:

Having just read this thread for the first time, I will state that I have only one streamlined steamer:

I do have a few 0 scale GG1s, an MTH Flying Yankee, an MTH Liberty Liner, and numerous 0 scale PCC trolleys. How about a McKeen car:

Not steam, I know, but to me most streamlined steam is downright ugly so I do not really want any.

EDIT: The Mallard above cost me a whole dollar at a local train show!

@PRRMP54 posted:

Having just read this thread for the first time, I will state that I have only one streamlined steamer:

EDIT: The Mallard above cost me a whole dollar at a local train show!

I have the Mallard, bought for way too much money from a store in England:

Andrew,

Weaver Quality-Craft made a nice brass O scale model of a New Haven Railroad I-5 Hudson. Do you have one?

MELGAR

@MELGAR posted:

Andrew,

Weaver Quality-Craft made a nice brass O scale model of a New Haven Railroad I-5 Hudson. Do you have one?

I wish Beautiful engine Mel. Hopefully someone will make one soon.