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I deleted the Facebook link, so here are just a few of the photos from a hike my son and I took of the Ashley Planes middle incline. The first photo shows part of the mountain the planes ascend from Ashley to Mountain Top. Other photos are of some of the former right of way and several of the viaducts and structures that remain. The original project began in 1843, so much of the initial work was done by hand, and draft animals. One of the viaducts has a date of 1909, so I'm assuming it was a replacement. 

Don

 

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Donnie:  I know that I teased you about "Ashley Planes" before, but just what was it?  Was it a part of a canal system like the Allegheny-Portage Railroad was part of the Pennsylvania canal?  There are really lots of structures in ruin from the looks of your photos. 

 

Incidentally, the museum there, at the ALPO historic site,which shows a working model of the canal itself, plus has a full size replica of the power house for the inclined plane, is well worth seeing.  It's part of our National Park System and is well presented.  Just west of Altoona, off of Hiway 22 at Galitzin.

 

Paul Fischer

Don, Ashley Planes has a good bit of history associated with it. Thanks for creating this
thread. I plan to do some internet reading on what Ashley Planes was all about. I assume that this was an operational railroad, although your pics show no tracks remaining. Again thanks for posting. If you have any info, pls add as Paul has mentioned.
Ray.
Originally Posted by Paparay:
Don, Ashley Planes has a good bit of history associated with it. Thanks for creating this
thread. I plan to do some internet reading on what Ashley Planes was all about. I assume that this was an operational railroad, although your pics show no tracks remaining. Again thanks for posting. If you have any info, pls add as Paul has mentioned.
Ray.

Ray, very little evidence remains. All trackage and equipment was removed and most likely scrapped. There are some rotting piles of ties, a few telegraph poles, and the viaducts and some foundations, along with the rights of way, which are growing in more and more. I'm planning several more hikes to photograph the other two inclines. 

I posted this link before, but here it is again; it tells some of the history, and has some photos when the planes were active. It will be interesting to see who acquires the property in the up coming free and clear tax sale. 

http://www.mtn-top-hs.org/ashley_planes.htm

Don

Originally Posted by fisch330:

Donnie:  I know that I teased you about "Ashley Planes" before, but just what was it?  Was it a part of a canal system like the Allegheny-Portage Railroad was part of the Pennsylvania canal?  There are really lots of structures in ruin from the looks of your photos. 

 

Incidentally, the museum there, at the ALPO historic site,which shows a working model of the canal itself, plus has a full size replica of the power house for the inclined plane, is well worth seeing.  It's part of our National Park System and is well presented.  Just west of Altoona, off of Hiway 22 at Galitzin.

 

Paul Fischer

Paul,

The Ashley Planes was a series of three inclined cable driven lifts which employed a special (Barney) which was placed at the rear of the hoppers. These cars were equipped with wheel flanges on the outer edge. It was connected to a cable powered by steam, and would push the train up the incline to the next level. Basically, it's like the San Francisco cable car system. There are places where I think switchbacks were used to position the train for the next lift. This ingenious system was started in 1843. It was built to haul coal up the steep grades of the Ashley Mountain, (average grade, 10%), up to Mountain Top Pa, where the cars would be transported by conventional railroad through Mountain Top and White Haven, and then along the Lehigh River. If I'm correct, the Lihigh RR did have a canal system along the Lehigh, but I'd have to research that further. 

There was a canal system that followed the Susquehanna River south, but I don't recall how far the canal system went. There are still many sections of that system that can be seen along US rte 11. Canals were used as a means of maintaining a more consistent water level, as the rivers levels are subject to drastic and seasonal level changes.

http://www.mtn-top-hs.org/ashley_planes.htm

This is a link with some more history of the planes.

Don

PS, Ashley was asking about you!

Don, thanks for the references. I read all the PDF files. They had some ingenious ideas for running that railroad up the inclines like the derailers that would derail a runaway car but not the Barney.  It looks like at the most, the Barney could only push 2 or 3 loaded cars up or rather that's all the cable would pull at least that's all the pics showed. If you hike again, pls post pics of the rest of the inclines.
Ray.
Originally Posted by Paparay:
 pls post pics of the rest of the inclines.
Ray.

Will do Ray. I'm also going to create a file on one of the photo sites; Yesterday I took 115 photos, but had to delete some that were blurry or too dark. Several of the pics are of a filtration plant that is adjacent to the planes, but since we were in the area, I included them. Those I'll put into a separate album. It's another historic landmark, as it was the first water filtration facility in the country. It has the remnants of a large boiler, and its close proximity to the planes make me wonder if coal was supplied via the planes system. The planes themselves were coal fired steam plants which drove the cables.

Don

The ingenuity shown in problem solving like this is amazing. Something very similar to this was the Morris Canal in northern NJ, it used mostly incline planes to account for pretty dramatic changes in elevation from Phillipsburg on the Delaware River to Newark Bay. Some parts of the canal still exist, though none of the planes do as far as I can tell, there they powered the plane by something called a scotch turbine, using water from the canal itself to power it, pretty amazing. Part of the roadbed for Route 80 in Paterson runs along the line of the old canal bed. 

Don, I have a copy of "The Big Little Railroad" video that I will gladly loan you.  You will need a VCR to view it as it is in VHS format.

It was a promotional video produced by the Jersey Central Railroad (the operator of the Ashley Planes) in 1946 or 1948...I can't remember exactly.  It runs about 30 minutes, and includes some great footage of the Ashley area including the Planes.

It's a really well done video, basically following a load of coal from the Huber Breaker in Ashley all the way to tidewater at the NJ waterfront.

Email me if you'd like me to send you my copy.  I've been meaning to get it transferred onto a DVD...another item on the to-do list!
Originally Posted by rail:
Originally Posted by Rule292:

Nice shots of the planes.

 

Always enjoy watching them in action on The BIG Little Railroad video.  

Where is the video available from? 

Don

 

Originally Posted by joeyA:
Don, I have a copy of "The Big Little Railroad" video that I will gladly loan you.  You will need a VCR to view it as it is in VHS format.

It was a promotional video produced by the Jersey Central Railroad (the operator of the Ashley Planes) in 1946 or 1948...I can't remember exactly.  It runs about 30 minutes, and includes some great footage of the Ashley area including the Planes.

It's a really well done video, basically following a load of coal from the Huber Breaker in Ashley all the way to tidewater at the NJ waterfront.

Email me if you'd like me to send you my copy.  I've been meaning to get it transferred onto a DVD...another item on the to-do list!

 

Originally Posted by CNJ 3676:

My local train store, The Model Railroad Shop in Piscataway, New Jersey, sells "The Big Little Railroad" on DVD.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Bob

 

The Big Little Rairoad, done for CNJ's centennial, is one of the best railroad promo videos ever done.  Ashley plains,  Communipaw roundhose, Newark bay lift bridges, Number 1000 operating at the Bronx terminal,  carfloat and ferry operations,  it's got them all. 


Anyway, Bob, I wonder what the quality of the DVD is?

 

I have had the VHS for years and years since the old film was reportedly discovered by its owner in a dumpster and then put on VHS under the Everything Video label.

 

Years later I corresponded with the reported owner of the works and inquired if it would be preserved from the original format, perhaps on an old U-matic format (this was before converting to digital became the preferred method for archiving).  The owner was taken back to say the least and I think a bit threatened. 

 

A bit later I ended up purchasing what I think was one of the first generation DVD copy from the owner.   It had some "extras on it"  Unfortunately it is atrocious and much worse than the VHS, which was surprsingly good.   Even home VHS/DVD conversions are light years better than the DVD I had. 

 

I would be more than willing to purchase a current DVD release of the video if I could be sure its quality is as good as the VHS. 

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Hi, Rob.

 

Surprisingly, I have yet to purchase a copy of the DVD for my collection so I haven't seen it personally; however, someone who bought it indicated the quality of the program is fine. I've been a customer of the store since the 70s and, knowing the owners as I do, I'd have to believe the disc would be good. The store's number is 732-968-5696.

 

Regards,

Bob

Originally Posted by CNJ 3676:

Hi, Rob.

 

Surprisingly, I have yet to purchase a copy of the DVD for my collection so I haven't seen it personally; however, someone who bought it indicated the quality of the program is fine. I've been a customer of the store since the 70s and, knowing the owners as I do, I'd have to believe the disc would be good. The store's number is 732-968-5696.

 

Regards,

Bob

 

Thanks Bob.  

 

I occasionally make the trip to The Model Railroad Shop even though they have little O scale 2 rail.  They have a fantastic selection of in stock books and magazines as well as supplies. AND the staff and customers are super friendly and there's frequently some oldhead in there telling good RR stories too which makes it worth the drive.

 

The next time I am there I will ask them about the DVD version.  

In Focus: People like Ashley’s Helen Karlo help preserve our past, secure our future

First Posted: 4:02 pm - August 10th, 2015 Updated: 4:24 pm - August 10th, 2015. - 570 Views 

By Bill O’Boyle - boboyle@timesleader.com

 


<small>Rail cars haul coal on the Ashley Planes. </small>
<small>Submitted Photo</small>
<small>Helen Karlo’s sister, Margaret Shulo, far right, poses with her friends by the ‘dummy car’ used on the Ashley Planes. </small>
<small>Submitted Photo</small>
<small>Bill O’Boyle </small>
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<small>Helen Karlo, 92, holds photos of the Ashley Planes in her home across the street from the site of the former Huber Breaker in Ashley as she talks about growing up during the coal mining era. </small>
<small>Bill Tarutis | For Times Leader</small>

ASHLEY — At 92, Helen Karlo likes to bowl and talk about life.

She grew up in Ashley and still lives in the same neighborhood across from the site of the old Huber Breaker.

Helen remembers the coal mining days — her father was an engineer for the Glen Alden mining company.

She also remembers the Ashley Planes — the rail line that hauled coal up the mountain. Helen has photos of those days and many cherished memories.

Back in the 1950s and ’60s, strip mining was tearing apart our natural landscape. I remember those huge holes with gigantic steam shovels digging into the mountains, taking away trees and vegetation and forcing the wildlife to relocate.

That was called surface mining, but coal was still being mined in those deep, dark, cold shafts. Miners were still heading into the mines before dawn, working until after sunset.

Anthony Balita lived up the street from me. He would walk down each morning carrying his lunch pail and his helmet as he headed to the mine. He would be gone all day, finally returning after dark wearing the black coal dust that he had to scrub off each night before sitting down to dinner. And then off to bed to rest before the next day arrived.

Helen remembers men like Mr. Balita. She knows how hard they worked. She knows that they built this region.

So Helen showed me a bunch of pictures of those mining men and of the Ashley Planes run. There are pictures of the old Huber Breaker and of the miners walking to their job. There’s even a picture of Helen’s girlfriends standing and smiling in front of the rail cars.

Those old pictures really do tell a thousand stories with a common thread. The people in the photos are always looking at the camera and they are smiling. You can see the pride in their eyes.

It was hard work for not much money back then. A work ethic second to none. Families living in peace and neighborhoods where people helped one another.

Helen recalled special events, like when a miner celebrated his 25th anniversary of working in the mines, he was paid in silver dollars.

Like many women back then, Helen worked in dress factories. Sometimes she would have to walk a couple of miles to or from work. She did that for 50 years. She married George Karlo and they had one daughter, Ann Marie, who died in 2007.

People like Helen Karlo are the fabric of what built this area. They are hardworking, moral people who never complained. They did what they had to do to make ends meet. To raise a family. To grow a community.

Helen likes to talk about those “good old days.”

And she likes the current days. She bowls in two leagues and she still throws the same 13-pound ball she always has. The same ball she scored a 712 series with on Dec. 10, 2014. Her three games were 201, 254, and 257.

Helen was the first woman inducted into the Wyoming Valley Bowling Hall of Fame. She taught herself how to bowl at age 16.

Helen showed me a picture of her with her father. They are holding their bowling balls. She still has the score pad from the time she and her dad went bowling. Helen narrowly outscored her father.

Helen still drives. She does her own shopping. She said she eats everything. She cooks and bakes and gives a lot of her culinary creations away to neighbors. Helen doesn’t smoke or drink.

She has two lifelong friends, both named Helen. One of them died and the other is having difficulty traveling. But not Helen Karlo.

“I still like to go to the casino on Sundays,” she said. “I like to play the slots.”

Her house is immaculate. “I like to keep myself busy,” she said. She watches television, tuning in on sports, and she follows “Wheel of Fortune.”

Helen loved telling her stories. She was happy to have the opportunity to talk about her life living near the Ashley Planes. She gave me the photos she had in case the newspaper wanted to publish them in future stories.

“Keep those photos,” she told me. “Because after I go, they might get tossed in the garbage.”

The history of Wyoming Valley should never be “tossed in the garbage.” The memories of people like Helen Karlo should remain intact for present and future generations.

That’s why the late Jim Burke established the Anthracite Heritage Foundation. Burke was a passionate man who wore his enthusiasm for preserving our region’s rich, coal mining history on his sleeve. He wanted to ensure that we, and future generations, never forget our roots.

Burke told me once that when coal was king, more than 500,000 miners toiled in the coal patches of Pennsylvania. They came to those coal towns from dozens of nations, seeking a better life.

As Luzerne County became the epicenter of the anthracite industry, more than 35,000 miners died in mining accidents, thousands more were injured or maimed, and still thousands more would die of black lung disease.

He said this about coal miners: “Their enviable courage, faith, work ethic and perseverance have since defined this community’s character — its very DNA.”

That’s why I sat and listened to Helen Karlo talk about the Ashley Planes and The Huber Breaker and the coal miners she used to know. And that’s why I accepted those photos from her.

 

Reach Bill O’Boyle at 570-991-6118 or on Twitter @TLBillOBoyle.

 

his article was in this mornings paper.
Don

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