My Challenger has swinging pipes on the top of the front steam chests. Don't these need to be disconnected before pulling the front drivers??? The pipes are just like those on the Allegheny #1604. The job doesn't look that simple to me because of the fragile piping on the steam chests.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
I keep coming back to this thread hoping to see a video of the new Challenger with the articulated sound that Lionel is putting in the Challenger when buyers request it. Does anyone own a sound-revised Challenger that can post a video with sound?
Sincerely, John Rowlen
John: I think the backlog is four weeks or so. I doubt any of these have been updated and returned yet.
We're all going to be waiting for that day. I've yet to pick mine up before I even get a call tag for it. See about that soon enough.
An interesting thought with the sound file, is it an addition to the current sound file (with matching # crew sounds) or is the sound file that is loaded simply the old file?
hclarke posted:Like I said, it's no big deal for me. I'll check it out and then decide. Lot's of trains to play with in any event.
Harold
I decided to play with my other trains while my Challenger and 2 sets of my Legacy ALCOs are in. I kept thinking that at some point down the road I might regret not having the sounds updated. Just a preference or recognition of my self diagnosed OCD. I would have wondered every time I ran the Challenger. Oh well, 4 weeks and the family will be together again.
I will add, beautiful engine. Don't regret the purchase 1 iota.
John Rowlen posted:I keep coming back to this thread hoping to see a video of the new Challenger with the articulated sound that Lionel is putting in the Challenger when buyers request it. Does anyone own a sound-revised Challenger that can post a video with sound?
Sincerely, John Rowlen
Check back in a month. Mine arrived at Lionel on Friday.
The sound files are specific for the Vision Line engine road number. I wonder if my Greyhound #3977 will come back with a generic sound set, but with articulated sounds? It would be nice if Lionel posted what the sound update would and would not do.
It has to go in because the Ground Motion Light above the Engineer side rear drivers does not light. I thought these Challengers had been inspected. I know my Hanes underwear is. For what I don't know.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
my Challenger is scheduled to arrive tomorrow. Will check it out and report.
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Harold
John brings up a good point. I'm not willing to lose my cab specific crew talk and loco ID.
That said, I'm not sure if the "chuff" sound and the crew talk are related.
I don't think that would change. Whatever sound bits they need to remove from the engines should be the only thing coming out and be replaced by the ones we are all wanting. I'm sure that none of us expect to hit the crew talk and hear chickens instead of the specific engine number being called out. I would imagine that wouldn't ever be the case.
Generic sound files wow let’s see how much other crazy stuff gets thrown out....
John Rowlen posted:The sound files are specific for the Vision Line engine road number. I wonder if my Greyhound #3977 will come back with a generic sound set, but with articulated sounds? It would be nice if Lionel posted what the sound update would and would not do.
It has to go in because the Ground Motion Light above the Engineer side rear drivers does not light. I thought these Challengers had been inspected. I know my Hanes underwear is. For what I don't know.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
Spoke with Katie who was extremely helpful in solving several issues. She said they have not been told yet as to what the update entails in terms of new crew talk specific with articulated sounds vs if it would be a throwback to the earlier Challenger sound files. As she did not know, she did not state either way. I do appreciate her honesty!
Presumably, this would be the worst case scenario on the sounds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlhzVTyMtng
Lionmaster Legacy 3985
Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:I don't think that would change. Whatever sound bits they need to remove from the engines should be the only thing coming out and be replaced by the ones we are all wanting. I'm sure that none of us expect to hit the crew talk and hear chickens instead of the specific engine number being called out. I would imagine that wouldn't ever be the case.
After all the flap about the non-articulated sounds, can you imagine if they came back with the wrong cab number in the crew talk?
gunrunnerjohn posted:Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:I don't think that would change. Whatever sound bits they need to remove from the engines should be the only thing coming out and be replaced by the ones we are all wanting. I'm sure that none of us expect to hit the crew talk and hear chickens instead of the specific engine number being called out. I would imagine that wouldn't ever be the case.
After all the flap about the non-articulated sounds, can you imagine if they came back with the wrong cab number in the crew talk?
John, are you saying people may get the chickenline Challenger? Now that I thought about it some more, I still think whatever the swap is that those particular sound files would have to be in there, crew talk and all.
My f40 came back with wrong sounds, so I wouldn't be surprised if they screwed anything up.
I looked closely under bright light at the two Work Lights/Motion Ground Lights on the Engineers side of the Challenger tonight. The right front Light socket has a yellow LED in it that gives white light. The other socket in the rear has a gray interior and has no sign of the yellow LED. No wonder the light fixture does not give white light.
This engine was inspected and has a label on the box. Did they inspect the engine? Or did they inspect the box?
I am very disappointed with this engine. I had to tighten screws on the front end cow catcher assembly underside because it hung down when I put the engine on the track. A front railing on the porch assembly was also out of its post. The power plug to the tender was also out of its socket because the wire lead was very short and wrapped in a tight bundle of wires. It must have vibrated loose during shipping. I was able to pull a little more gray cable and plug it into the tender power socket.
This 1931250 Greyhound Challenger #3977 is beautiful. It will look perfect pulling my 21" Challenger Cars that I detailed with Presier people that I painted. I am beyond frustrated. Good night.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
Received my Union Pacific 3717 Challenger last week with this label affixed to the box
I think that Lionel did a great job on the detail of the Vision Line Challenger and Big Boy. EXCEPT. Why are the marker lights on the tender lit in red? In fact, why are there marker lights at all on any tender? In all the videos I have looked at, I can not find any marker lights that are lit in red while the train is in operation. Maybe if the engine is running without any cars, or as a pusher, they might have turned on red marker lights on the tender.
This also brings up another issue I have, why are classification lights always lit in green? My understanding was that classification lights were clear or white, and were turned on only when special circumstances existed. "Green. Indicated that, while the train displaying the lights was a regularly scheduled one, a second section was following behind it. " White was used only if it was an extra train, not shown in the timetable.
When Lionel, MTH and others advertise a prototype correct engine, I wish they would discontinue marker lights on tender and correct the classification lights. Yes, I know that some roads had marker lights permanently installed on tenders, such as the Penn, but most all others did not use marker lights on tenders except is they were pushers.
Ray
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