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Am experiencing the world of S gauge with my purchase of Lionel's new FlyerChief Polar Express set.

I plan to run it during the holidays as an around the tree floor display and would like to know whether the included Fastrak is quiet and best to use for a carpet/floor layout or is there something better and quieter? What are you using and happy with for a carpet central layout?

What about for an off the floor permanent layout - what track do you prefer for that use and why? 

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I like the old AF style track with rubber roadbed. K-Line made some straight and curve track a while back that matched the old AF 2 rail track.

Gargraves makes a decent S gauge track as well.

Or you can always buy plastic or rubber ties from 3R Plastics for AF S gauge track, they sell them buy the bag, I think 100 come in a bag. 3R Plastics also makes O gauge and 027 track ties.

 

Lee Fritz

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I'll add my two cents on a holiday style layout and recommend classic Flyer T-Rail track with rubber roadbed.  I use it on our hardwood floors at Christmas for a great nostalgic look.  It's also very reliable and quiet (a great way to make points with the person with whom you live).  You can find it at most local train shows.  If you have any trouble, ask for any on this site.  I'm sure there are guys out there who can help.

 

And a BIG BTW....  it's MUCH cheaper than the Lionel track system.   As nice as the FasTrack looks, we're a bunch of cheapskates at heart!

 

Happy running!

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I recommend you not put the S gauge track directly on the carpet. A track system that locks together with the plastic roadbed works ok but unless it is larger than a simple oval it will "walk" with the pile grain across the carpet. I have some SHS/MTH track on a carpeted floor and it is working well but it is a larger layout with many turnouts. I assume Fastrack would be similar. The worst on medium to high pile carpet is Gilbert track with rubber roadbed. As much as I like it, it needs to be on a hardwood floor or a layout board. I put a small oval of Gilbert track under one of the trees last Christmas just on the carpet and after 30 minutes of train running it had moved a full 3" along the carpet.Your experience may vary. 

Originally Posted by AmFlyer:
AmFlyer, is the SHS/MTH track still being sold new anywhere? I thought MTH replaced it with their newer S-Trax track system. Please correct me if I'm wrong.Thank you!

I recommend you not put the S gauge track directly on the carpet. A track system that locks together with the plastic roadbed works ok but unless it is larger than a simple oval it will "walk" with the pile grain across the carpet. I have some SHS/MTH track on a carpeted floor and it is working well but it is a larger layout with many turnouts. I assume Fastrack would be similar. The worst on medium to high pile carpet is Gilbert track with rubber roadbed. As much as I like it, it needs to be on a hardwood floor or a layout board. I put a small oval of Gilbert track under one of the trees last Christmas just on the carpet and after 30 minutes of train running it had moved a full 3" along the carpet.Your experience may vary. 

 

The track that MTH is producing now is the same as the track that S-Helper used to sell.  I have both and (if it weren't for some spots of paint on the older track) wouldn't be able tell you which pieces came from each manufacturer.  I looked at the under side of the track and they all seem to be marked "S-Trax System" rather than MTH or S-Helper.

I still see the original SHS packaged track at train shows. MTH purchased SHS and now sells the same track in MTH packaging. It is on their website and available from vendors. The curves come in three different radii and they make uncouplers, operating car track sections and bumpers. No crossings and only 20" radius turnouts. MTH also produces flex track using the same rail. It is code 138, the packaging is not accurate. 

Lionel Fastrack has a wider selection of track pieces but the rail sides are not weathered and the ballast is monotone gray. Since you now have some Fastrack it might be easier to just add to it. 

Originally Posted by AmFlyer:

"...Since you now have some Fastrack it might be easier to just add to it." 

Yes, it would be easier and cheaper to add to the Lionel Fastrack that came with my FlyerChief PE set, AmFlyer, but easier and cheaper isn't what I want. I want track that's

sturdy but if possible, also quiet when trains are running on it on the floor or carpet. So, if the MTH track is noticeably quieter and less noisy than Lionel's Fastrack on a floor or carpet, then for me it"s worth the extra cost and work. Which type wins the noise producing test and isn't annoyingly loud, the Lionel or MTH track?

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I do not own any Fastrack so I cannot comment on it. Others have said it is noisier than the SHS track. I had three loops of SHS sectional track directly on a honed limestone floor in our family room this past Christmas. I used a small piece of double sided tape under every fourth track joint just so if it is bumped it does not slide around. With three trains running there was no track noise. Original Gilbert track in rubber roadbed also works well on a limestone floor but it does not look as good nor come in a 30" radius. Also the rubber roadbed is hard to find. American Models track does not include a roadbed so I have not commented on it. The original Gilbert track switches are bullet proof and have the selective power routing feature for multi train conventional operation. Flyer Chief and Legacy do not need this feature so the SHS/MTH turnouts work well with those control systems. 

For information, we selected MTH flex track for my permanent layout. I just bought 600' of it. Unfortunately (from a time and cost perspective) all the turnouts have to be hand laid. 

"What about for an off the floor permanent layout'

 

   I use both Tomalco and Shinohara code 100 and find them both excellent. I hand lay my turnouts with matching code 100 rail.

   I don't have any S scale temporary track but I have some O scale Lionel fastrack which is similar to the SHS/ Lionel S tracks and I find it quite handy. I don't think sound will be an issue on a temporary layout set on carpet other than keeping the kids from blowing the horn and ringing the bell constantly :> ........DaveB

For a permanent layout I am basically doing the same thing as DaveB except using the MTH flex track with hand laid turnouts. The reason is the rail is code 138 so I can run all my original Gilbert trains. 

Were I starting from scratch and looking for a sectional track with roadbed solution Fastrack is fine. In addition to two different turnout radii and crossings, the turnouts are Command Control ready. Of course they are out of stock on the Lionel website. I like the MTH sectional track appearance better plus it's three curve radii but they only make 20" radius turnouts. 

If you want sectional track without the plastic roadbed then the American Models track system is available. 

What's your preferred S track?

For a permanent layout, my preferred track is SHS code 138 flex with Tom’s Turnouts (big surprise there, LOL).  I have a lot of AM code 148 flex which is okay, but I find SHS much easier to work with.

 

Under the tree… I’m with Jerry P.  Flyer switches and a mix of Flyer sectional and Gargraves flex on homemade Homasote roadbed.

 

Tom Stoltz

in Maine

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