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Long Island RR tichy scheme H16-44. (With Modified handrail tooling)

Long Island RR blue & yellow alco S2 & grey/ orange

Long Island RR “steel thruway to the fair gateway” 21” worlds fair cars

Long island 18” “cannonball” blue & grey parlor cars with station sounds diner

Vision 700E Hudson re-issue with boiler speaker & reciprocating cylinders.

Vision Dreyfuss Hudson w/ multiple drive wheel configurations, normal & PT tenders w/ water scoop effect & correctly tooled 20th century Ltd cars 1938 & 1940


Vision CC2 re-issue with boiler speaker & a fantasy Tuscan scheme. Yes I think a Tuscan CC2 would be amazing!

Vision line PRR T1 (new tooling 6110 & 6111 skirted prototypes, unskirted w/ portholes & unskirted W/O portholes.

PRR K4 in multiple variations & Brass Hybrid PRR K5 (add swinging bell)

SP AC12 cab forward re-issue. SP/ SP lines & SP grey boiler with red cab roof. (Maybe add some vision features like a speaker in the boiler & road specific crew talk)

Vision (or at least road specific crew talk & a speaker boiler) Y6b with brass hybrid y6a, vision coal hopper cars (freight sounds, loading/ unloading sound sequence) & die cast water tenders with freight sounds & engine maintenance dialog, plus a very nicely detailed caboose.

I don’t want all this in the next catalog, just one or 2 pieces, but this is my long term 5 year Lionel wish list.

Bonus: Vision line Thomas the tank engine!!!

Please Lionel, a Canadian Pacific SD70ACU in the CORRECT military tribute camo paint scheme. Please DON"T make it in the hideous day-glo florescent colors that the other train company did.

As a military veteran and Canadian Pacific fan, I would be proud to own this locomotive.

100% agree. I also hope if Lionel does make these, they use the SD90MAC long hood rather than the SD70ACe like MTH did. I'll also throw in a vote for the CN military tribute units. I know Lionel has the ET44AC model in traditional size, but it would be nice to see one made in scale size as well.

Rob

1. Legacy F40 and Cabbage re-run

2. Legacy Hudsons w/whistle steam that aren't New York Central. So much to choose from. ATSF 3460s would get orders, as would New Haven I5 Shoreliners and Milwaukee F7s. Wabash P1s and Lackawanna M1s could be a surprise success.

3. Legacy Santa Fe 3400 class heavy Pacifics w/whistle steam, based on their later appearance as rebuilt with disc drivers (see ATSF 3415)

@superwarp1 posted:

My wish for the next catalog are as follows.

1. Works correctly out of the box, no loose pieces floating around in the box

2. Correctly painted, accurate representation of what they are trying to model

3. Knuckle couplers that work

4. No cheap *** assembly like what we got from that factory in Vietnam with the two bay hoppers

5. Back to paint, no chipping paint like what we got with the milk cars on the door hinges.

Is that to much to ask for????

And, of course, articulated couplers. BTW, this is not a wish. It is absolutely essential.

Pat

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Since Lionel came out with the "triclops" SD60M, how about the EMD/BN SD60MAC triclops.

Also the Alco Plant switcher "5"

How about the ALCo RS11 demonstrator trio?

And speaking of ALCo's, Lionel brought out the ALCo S4 switcher so where is the PRR ALCo S4 version?

PRR alco S4... I would reserve one, also any legacy Penn Central switcher would have my reservation.

How about some Amtrak stuff for their 50th Anniversary!

I'd like to see reissued amfleets & Cab cars. It would be better if Lionel produced them in phase III since they only made phase IVb amfleets, circa 2010 (the last time they were sold). I don’t know if this would be possible, but a model of #1001 (Beech Grove) would be a welcomed addition. If Lionel keeps the 0-36 minimum, that allows people with smaller layouts to order these cars too!

It would also be nice for a re-issue of the legacy F40PH.
Final thought: a legacy version of the HHP-8?

Please let me know your thoughts on these product ideas.

Bryce

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My big wish is that Lionel stop changing the paint schemes on locomotives between catalog photos and production. This goes especially for high end BTO items that people have to preorder.

When you order this..........................

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and get this.............................

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or ordered this...........................

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and get this........................

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something went wrong somewhere. At some point someone made the decision to paint the smoke box a different color. Why does this happen? I wish it would stop! It is just not right to do this to your customers who pay a premium up front, and deserve to get what they paid for.

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I was very disappointed I missed the MrMuffins run. Thought I might have more than a month to buy a set but no extras were available. The first train I ever got as a kid was the Lionel Lake Shore Limited so I would like a Legacy version of the Amtrak phase 1 paint scheme sometime in the future. I would be happy with fantasy F3s too like the old Lionel ones. It looks like the O scale business truly is built to order now or you miss out.

i forgot to add these in my original post  but how about a lionchief reissue of the maritime exploration titanic set as well as a redo of the operation eagle justice set. perhaps lionel could give that cancelled new haven ft trailer van lionchief set another try as i think what killed it was lack of orders caused by an incorrect name for the set. It was labeled as an alco set when the art showed an EMD FT diesel. what a pitty because that set was beautiful and would have looked great hauling freight as main for the Allegheny City local train AC077.

An O scale wood caboose with the 1930's and 1940's era paint scheme of the Grand Trunk Western for the GTW steam locomotives that have been released in the past 10 years would be good.

An O scale wood caboose with the 1950's era paint scheme of the Grand Trunk Western to run behind trains with GTW early diesel locomotives has not been done yet.

Andrew

@tom21pa posted:

Sound in all powered units. No more just in 1 A of an AA set, there both powered now anyhow.

MTH finally saw the light, sadly maybe too late, and got rid of the slave A unit with it's horrid cable connection.  Yes, now that Lionel finally powers both units, they need sound in all powered units like Atlas and Sunset do.

I'll make my usual plug for Lionel to let us have some fun with foreign trains like a Gresley A4 or the Orient Express.  The Flying Scotsman actually ran on American rails for at least a year or two - maybe start there?

I also think it would be really cool for Lionel to make double use of its S-gauge and HO-track and its O-scale lineup to make narrow gauge engines.  Maybe Durango & Silverton or Cumbres & Toltec to start?  Lionel could do a gorgeous Legacy version of some of those old steamers and run them on its own track, to O-scale proportions.

As far as features, I think the effects - like cylinder steam and whistle steam and swinging bells - are amazing and one of the reasons I love O gauge.  Just as whistle steam has gradually spread across the whole Legacy line, I hope cylinder steam and other special effects will find their way outside the Vision realm and into more and more locomotives.  The reciprocating smoke effect on the GS-series looks awesome.

I also want to take a minute to compliment Lionel on what seems like a fantastic improvement to the smoke units.  I got one of the Lionmaster Big Boys and it smokes like a chimney!  It's great!

I would love to see lionel come out with the 4-4-2 A class hiawatha with scale passenger cars either in the 1935 or 1938-40s(?) Livery as that hasn't been done in a while.

It would also be cool if they did a  NYC hudson with the J1e, Dreyfuss, Commodore Vanderbilt(even though I have one).

Lastly with extremely high prices on ebay and many other places it would be cool to see a Vision Line Big Boy maybe of both tooling versions of the Wilson afterccoler?

I hope that list is OK and not an exact copy of everyone else's posts

Best,

Gino Fabbricante

I would be happy with a Dreyfuss.  I could then run my problem child (another brand) with it's centipede tender down the road.  It abhours turnouts.  I could add blind wheels, but should I have too?

A UP F series ABBA, or run the E series again would be wonderful.  As nice as my UP & NYC ALCOs  are, I thinkI am an EMD fan.  MY NYC E-8s look better to me.  I will move the ALCOs and Dreyfuss down the road if and when.....

1. Legacy F40 and Cabbage re-run

2. Legacy Hudsons w/whistle steam that aren't New York Central. So much to choose from. ATSF 3460s would get orders, as would New Haven I5 Shoreliners and Milwaukee F7s. Wabash P1s and Lackawanna M1s could be a surprise success.

3. Legacy Santa Fe 3400 class heavy Pacifics w/whistle steam, based on their later appearance as rebuilt with disc drivers (see ATSF 3415)

Would all these require new tooling? Heard MTH dropped the I5 because orders didn't justify new tooling cost. They said the 3460 frame wouldn't appease the rivet counters and a new frame was too much $$$.

Any takers on the odds Lionel purchased some MTH steam engine tooling?

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2. Legacy Hudsons w/whistle steam that aren't New York Central. So much to choose from. ATSF 3460s would get orders, as would New Haven I5 Shoreliners and Milwaukee F7s. Wabash P1s and Lackawanna M1s could be a surprise success.



Why wait for Lionel to make an ATSF 3460 class Hudson? MTH has made them twice. I own 4 of them. Great models.

Capture

Manufactures don't need to make things that have already been made, they need to make things that haven't been made before.

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Why wait for Lionel to make an ATSF 3460 class Hudson? MTH has made them twice. I own 4 of them. Great models.

Capture

Manufactures don't need to make things that have already been made, they need to make things that haven't been made before.

Why wait for Lionel to make an ATSF Hudson? Well for one it will have Legacy, secondly this thread is the Lionel next catalog wish list. I suppose that you can add it to the “Next MTH catalog Wish List” thread. 😉

Why wait for Lionel to make an ATSF Hudson? Well for one it will have Legacy, secondly this thread is the Lionel next catalog wish list. I suppose that you can add it to the “Next MTH catalog Wish List” thread. 😉

Because it's been done. Wish for new models. We don't need every manufacture to make everything. Both MTH and Lionel make overlapping steam models (SP GS, LIMA Berks, Challenger, Big Boys, on and on). Lionel needs to make NEW stuff. Don't make a ATSF 3460 class Hudson, it's been done. Lionel should make something new, like an ATSF 3400 class Pacific. Never been done in 3 rail. That would be something to wish for.

I want NEW products. Not something that has been made before. I could care less if it has DCS or TMCC/Legacy. Just give me something that hasn't been made before.....

"I could care less if it has DCS or TMCC/Legacy."

While I can see your point, I think there is a substantial segment of the Lionel market that simply doesn't consider anything made by companies that don't use TMCC/Legacy as suitable for their collection/layout.  Some folks will not buy MTH as a matter of principle or preference; the proportion of the market feeling this way is unknown. There are, of course,  those who will not buy Lionel for whatever reason, such as it doesn't have PS3/DCS.

Conventional only folks would presumably be just as happy with a PS3 loco as one from Lionel in many instances. However many Lionel customers use only TMCC/Legacy/Lionchief so that they want the same loco MTH made with their preferred control system(s). Speaking personally, I rarely buy a PS3 (and almost never a PS2 or PS1) loco no matter how beautiful or interesting.  I made an exception for one of the 44 ton locos from MTH. But that's uncommon for me.  Nothing personal, just don't want a roster with numerous locos using another control system.  Now that DCS may be on the fade, that preference is even stronger, at least for me.

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@Lou1985 posted:

Because it's been done. Wish for new models. We don't need every manufacture to make everything. Both MTH and Lionel make overlapping steam models (SP GS, LIMA Berks, Challenger, Big Boys, on and on). Lionel needs to make NEW stuff. Don't make a ATSF 3460 class Hudson, it's been done. Lionel should make something new, like an ATSF 3400 class Pacific. Never been done in 3 rail. That would be something to wish for.

I want NEW products. Not something that has been made before. I could care less if it has DCS or TMCC/Legacy. Just give me something that hasn't been made before.....

I believe a very substantial portion of the participants in this hobby want NEW  products, it is just very unlikely that there will be a significant investment in new tooling anytime soon.  I would very much like Lionel to produce a Legacy "O" scale PRR K5 rather than another reissue of the PRR K4 engine.  I don't think that will ever happen so I didn't even post it in this "wish list" thread previously.

Why wait for Lionel to make an ATSF Hudson? Well for one it will have Legacy, secondly this thread is the Lionel next catalog wish list. I suppose that you can add it to the “Next MTH catalog Wish List” thread. 😉

I’m sorry, but that’s like super silly IMO to hold out for a model already made just to get whistle steam, ain’t like the rest of the legacy features are all that over DCS,....If you really got an achin’ for something like an ATSF Hudson, pick up a MTH model and let master builders Bruk or Sid  Legacy convert it,.....in the long run, you’d have a superior product, and an actual shot of owning it ......

Pat

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@harmonyards posted:

I’m sorry, but that’s like super silly IMO to hold out for a model already made just to get whistle steam, ain’t like the rest of the legacy features are all that over DCS,....If you really got an achin’ for something like an ATSF Hudson, pick up a MTH model and let master builders Bruk or Sid  Legacy convert it,.....in the long run, you’d have a superior product, and an actual shot of owning it ......

Pat

Doing a locomotivabotamy is a pain. I’ll wait for the Lionel Legacy version. In the meantime, there are plenty of Lionel Legacy locomotives I can buy. I have purchased five Lionel Legacy Locomotives since February with three more on BTO. That’s a significant investment. It doesn’t make sense to rush and by a non Legacy locomotive on top of the ones I just bought. At some point, Lionel will build the Legacy version. When that happens, I’ll pounce.

Doing a locomotivabotamy is a pain. I’ll wait for the Lionel Legacy version. In the meantime, there are plenty of Lionel Legacy locomotives I can buy. I have purchased five Lionel Legacy Locomotives since February with three more on BTO. That’s a significant investment. It doesn’t make sense to rush and by a non Legacy locomotive on top of the ones I just bought. At some point, Lionel will build the Legacy version. When that happens, I’ll pounce.

Fair enough, ....and BTW, I Ike that term,...” locomotivabotamy” .....permission to steal it please!...I am a card carrying member of the locomotive  warranty voiders anonymous group,...😉

Pat

First would be a Legacy Strasburg #90.  Here’s hoping.

Next on my wish list of O Scale locomotives to own would be the C&O 490 Hudson.  I am pretty sure Lionel has molds for this one.  With some new legacy features mike whistle steam, this would be a great unit.

Yes, I realize that 3rd Rail is taking reservations for this engine and matching cars, and I am sure they would be terrific prototypical models, but, as MTH is probably not going to make this model any time soon, I would like to have a Lionel version with Bluetooth and whistle steam.  Besides, competition is good.

@Will Ebbert posted:

Lionel's version of the C&O Hudson is semi scale so they would need to do it in Lionmaster.

As for the Strasburg 90, I personally don't care but enough people ask for it on here that there is certainly demand. My bigger interest is the possibility that they would acquire the 64' Woodside coach tooling from MTH.

Well, I did not know it was semi-scale. There goes that thought. So let me revise my list again for the locomotives I would like to see in  the next catalog (but probably won’t)…

- a scale Strasburg #90

- a scale ET44AC Tier 4 (multiple roads and numbers)

I am now ready for disappointment.

I wonder ...

Does anyone at Lionel LLC actually read threads like this or take "wish lists" into account when planning future production runs?  I haven't read "In response to popular demand ..." in any recent new product offer in a Lionel catalog.

The costs of creating a NEW design, related tooling for producing it, and marketing efforts to stimulate sales are staggering; so it's understandable that decision-makers tend to err on the side of caution. Perhaps the unwritten reason(s) why some previous train manufacturers are now defunct is, they made trains some hobbyists wished for but didn't buy. Or at least, not enough of them.

Yes, I offered a wish for a Lionel product for my layout, but I don't expect anything from it! The highest-paid job at a train-making company would be PRODUCTION PROGNOSTICATOR, but there aren't any job candidates with a proven record of sales success. "Wishcraft" is uncomfortably close to "Witchcraft!"

Is there a marketplace niche for a train maker with a mission statement like: "We make the trains you (and at least Nth others) wish for."  Lionel may already be near that tactic with "Made to Order" trains. Not enough orders - no trains. The only cost for such offers, if not ordered in a sufficient number, is wasted paper and ink for a catalog page.

Meanwhile, the "good guessers" at Lionel and other companies will carry on valiantly and live with the hope that some  of their guesses are "right."

Mike Mottler    LCCA 12394

@Prr7688 posted:

I'm curious if Lionel has bought any molds from MTH but has yet to announce it. Allowing them to "reveal" it in the upcoming (or a future) catalog

The hobby has a rail king sized hole. However, they would compete with or replace their post war items that they run in lc+2.0. While possible, I see Lionel as a little too proud to use mth’s tooling. Furthermore, they would be buying tooling to replace what they likely see as an adequate product line. I generally disagree with that logic (notable exceptions include NW2, sd80, and f3/ft) as I think the post war lc+2 line is drastically under detailed and overpriced (except for the noted exceptions). I would love to see a lc+  powered rail king line.

I have asked that Lionel picks up the old Lima tooling for the British Railways coaches (I may like Harry Potter but the shortie coaches bother me) and release them in British Railways Green as well as  the Hogwarts express.



the Hogwarts Express/ex-GWR 4-6-0 in British Railways colors would be nice, too.

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CENTRAL VERMONT GP9 diesel-electric locomotive in the 1970 to 1990 era paint scheme of Medium Green and Medium Yellow.

CENTRAL VERMONT LionScale 50' plug-door box cars in the exactly accurate graphics

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CV 50000-50094

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CV 50095-50099

White sides, black ends, galvanized roof, with green graphics 



CV caboose

Andrew

@Lou1985 posted:

Why wait for Lionel to make an ATSF 3460 class Hudson? MTH has made them twice. I own 4 of them. Great models.

Capture

Manufactures don't need to make things that have already been made, they need to make things that haven't been made before.

The MTH version doesn’t come with whistle steam, that’s a big one for me and a good amount of customers I sell to.
The other reason I suggested it is because it would sell. Like all models, you have to justify making one by doing several different versions. Using a rough base for a Hudson and doing many versions from it makes more money than niche Hudsons alone. If an ATSF Hudson sold, people like me who would want a Lackawanna Hudson and a Wabash Hudson could attempt to convince Lionel to produce other Hudsons from a rough base.
Think brass hybrid ATSF Hudson, allowing for brass hybrid Wabash, Lackawanna, CB&Q, etc.

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