I can’t say it’s an exact prototypical copy like the real thing but not being a scratch builder it will do. 

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I love it, I assume the brown creatures  on the garbage bags are fearsome NYC rats? All you need is a couple of intrepid NYC cats, only things crazy enough to go after the rats, climbing up the side of the car ready to rumble *lol*. 

Very nice Chris. The bags look great and the rats are a nice touch too....but where's pizza rat??????

bigkid posted:

I love it, I assume the brown creatures  on the garbage bags are fearsome NYC rats? All you need is a couple of intrepid NYC cats, only things crazy enough to go after the rats, climbing up the side of the car ready to rumble *lol*. 

That’s a great idea! A couple of mean NYC cats will take care of them! 🐭🐱

In case anyone is interested I found a guy on EBay that 3D prints these. He made them the length I needed. 

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I had to figure that out but it was pretty simple.  I took a bag from Lowe’s and cut it into squares then cut up small pieces of a cheap foam brush and put them in the middle. I brought all the corners together and twisted it then secured it with stranded wire I stripped the insulation off and put some Gorilla glue gel and let it dry. Trim off the top and glued them in. 

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Hello Chris -

THAT is a very very good and realistically acceptable well detailed representation of an MTA Transit (or any transit system) trash collection car -- well weathered also.  Great job !!  Impressive modeling job !

regards - JOE F

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Not directly related, but always made me wonder if the guys running the garbage train had gotten some boss angry at him/her.... that is so well done it brought back memories of being on a subway platform late night and one  of those coming through, also brought back the smell, too (that I wouldn't model, though)

Pretty awesome stuff there Chris, and as was noted the garbage bags really tied it together as a scene. I've seen these go by and have pictures somewhere - very cool and thanks for sharing.

Paul

Very nice modeling, Chris.  And I tip my hat to you for thinking to model such a train.

Since I live out on the prairie, I'm not even slightly familiar with the trash pickup operation in the New York subways.  Does this train get pulled by a dinky diesel locomotive?  Or is it a little electric locomotive?  Is this strictly a nighttime operation?  Do workers, by schedule, collect garbage at a certain hour for that station, and stage it at the edge of the platform for collection by this train soon thereafter?  Does the train have a regular schedule of its own, so that it fits between regular subway trains without delaying them?

Please pardon my ignorance.  This is very interesting to me.

And -- saving the big question for last -- does our own Ben (blueline4) ever run this train?  Maybe he'll tell us.

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Chris Lonero posted:

I had to figure that out but it was pretty simple.  I took a bag from Lowe’s and cut it into squares then cut up small pieces of a cheap foam brush and put them in the middle. I brought all the corners together and twisted it then secured it with stranded wire I stripped the insulation off and put some Gorilla glue gel and let it dry. Trim off the top and glued them in. 

Chris -- that idea for making small O-Scale size filled trash bags is amazing and the results look very realistic !  Great work  and innovation modeling !

Regards - Joe F

Thanks for all the kind words guys. I ‘m certainly no expert on the MTA system especially with the MBTA in my own back yard but based on what I’ve seen most of the trash pick ups happen at night like most other maintenance when the system is not being used by the public. The train can be pulled by a diesel but I have seen mostly old passenger service subway cars put into M.O.W operations.  Are friends from New York like Ben,Zach and many others from the area can tell us much more than a local Boston kid!   “Just don’t bring up the Patriots “ 🏈🤫

Number 90 posted:

Very nice modeling, Chris.  And I tip my hat to you for thinking to model such a train.

Since I live out on the prairie, I'm not even slightly familiar with the trash pickup operation in the New York subways.  Does this train get pulled by a dinky diesel locomotive?  Or is it a little electric locomotive?  Is this strictly a nighttime operation?  Do workers, by schedule, collect garbage at a certain hour for that station, and stage it at the edge of the platform for collection by this train soon thereafter?  Does the train have a regular schedule of its own, so that it fits between regular subway trains without delaying them?

Please pardon my ignorance.  This is very interesting to me.

And -- saving the big question for last -- does our own Ben (blueline4) ever run this train?  Maybe he'll tell us.

Refuse trains are pulled by purpose-built box motors designated R127 or R134, and sometimes R62 or retired R36 "redbird" subway cars are added when conditions warrant air-conditioning for the crews. A typical train has a box-motor/subway car on either end bracketing three refuse flats carrying two rows of narrow dumpsters that are swapped at each station from an enclosure where the station porter deposits trash bags collected from regular waste bins on the platform. The flatcars are the same length width as IRT rolling stock, are equipped with standard freight roller-bearing trucks, MU couplers for pass-through control to the trailing motors, and headlight/taillights beneath the anticlimber.

Ben, as far as I know is in regular passenger subway service. I believe the refuse train assignments are rather high-seniority posts but I haven't investigated that. He's in a far better position to to fill you in on that.

---PCJ

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Chris, You did a super nice job on the MTA garbage car, excellent colors, neat way you made the garbage bags, and the rats, wow, your weathered effect is well done, so, all I can say is what’s next? Your layout is really neat. So, show us more pictures when you have time. Thank You, Happy Railroading 

RickO posted:

Man that things disgusting, I can almost smell it.....

Nice work Chris.....I think..LOL!

I didn’t incorporate smell into the car. Got to draw the line somewhere! 🤢 

Great job Chris.   I plan to use your idea on my layout but not for subway cars.   Trash bags can be placed in open containers in town and rail yards too.   My wife is a quilter, so I will use tiny fabric scraps to fill my bags.    It's a win win.  Thanks.

The refuse trains really dont smell or have rats on them   The containers are stored in the refuse rooms at the end of the platform and in specially built holders on the elevated structure  When they get them out of the room there is so much banging around that the rats scurry all over the place   The refuse doesnt stay there that long and doesnt usually smell as everything is bagged and tied.    The operators of the refuse trains are in the C division which is work trains   Its a young man job  You dont see too many elder statesmen in work trains.   The refuse trains run in non rush hours  They run all day and night.    Depends on the line to see which equipment is used   The Brighton line uses a diesel and two flats.  BMT/IND  lines use either R127/R134 or R32's now   They dont like to use all R127/R134 because they tend to gap on switches hence the R32 pair on the other end    IRT will use R127/R134 and also R62's   There really isnt any more R36 used on refuse trains     

No rats? Sure! I saw a rat bigger than my shoe (size 12) right on Vanderbilt Ave, outside Grand Central. It was out for a stroll. I’m sure the rats hop on the refuse trains once they are loaded and on their way. It makes a good story anyway...

Chris, I think you need to build a dank, dark and dingy subway line under your layout.

George

George S posted:

No rats? Sure! I saw a rat bigger than my shoe (size 12) right on Vanderbilt Ave, outside Grand Central. It was out for a stroll. I’m sure the rats hop on the refuse trains once they are loaded and on their way. It makes a good story anyway...

Chris, I think you need to build a dank, dark and dingy subway line under your layout.

George

Didnt say there were no rats in the system  I said there isnt any rats on the refuse train  The rats run from the noise   Very rare to see one go near a train

The Real Trains discussion is a different forum. 

Anyway, the rats are hungry, because everyone is isolating and not dropping pizza in the street.

George

Chris, I think you need to build a dank, dark and dingy subway line under your layout.

George

I have one of those George. 

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Great job, Chris! I'm partial to work cars and cars that are 'different' - thought that was Rizzo for a sec... 😉

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Chris,

This came out nice. Whats the sellers name on ebay that made the bins. The green plastic he used is nice.  

MCD4x4 posted:

Chris,

This came out nice. Whats the sellers name on ebay that made the bins. The green plastic he used is nice.  

The sellers name is. 

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