3rd Rail F7 Rerun

I need a freight set in SF

Laidoffsick posted:

I need a freight set in SF

I do too!!! I'd likely be in for an A-B-B-A in freight and 2 warbonnet B units as long as they came out at least 6 months after the PAs. All units powered like last time would be a must! 

Matt Makens posted:

After seeing how the new Atlas F7s look I emailed Scott to see if he would consider a rerun of the F7's in Santa Fe. Would you guys buy? i think he needs at least 70 more units in 3 other road names to pull it off. I'm in for at least a 4 unit set if not 5

What is wrong with the Atlas version?

Scott just opened up Preorders for a rerun of F7s mid 2017 prodution. Im cancelling my Atlas order

Get em here

http://www.3rdrail.com/reservation.htm

Well I'd say your post was effective!!! In less than an hour Scott opened up reservations!  

Ah man, he didn't included the SF freights....I'll have to email him

rex desilets posted:

Matt Makens posted:

After seeing how the new Atlas F7s look I emailed Scott to see if he would consider a rerun of the F7's in Santa Fe. Would you guys buy? i think he needs at least 70 more units in 3 other road names to pull it off. I'm in for at least a 4 unit set if not 5

What is wrong with the Atlas version?

Read the lengthy thread over on the 3-Rail 027, Hi-Rail Trains Forum.

Will try for the Conrail F7A

I know some want this next run to happen quickly so they can have their El Cap and EB motive power. BUT... 

If this run were to be made 6 months after the PA's & EB which appear to be coming in the fall, maybe it could be a bigger run with more options, including Northern Pacific f units which will likely be highly requested if the North Coast Limited is announced after the Empire Builder is made. Of course we would need a Santa Fe freight option too  

No thank you, and let's not forget 3rd Rail's F7's were prob the most problematic of their diesel productions.

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

No thank you, and let's not forget 3rd Rail's F7's were prob the most problematic of their diesel productions.

It seems hard to believe that 3rd Rail would rerun the same problematic model or even one with many of the same problems. 

Hi Guys, Not really familiar with the paint on the SF F7's.  Could someone give me a site for a good image of the EMD F7 War Bonnet and the Black Widow?  I appreciate your help.

Tommy

Santiago, refresh my memory, was it the details that were off? I remember some grab irons on the nose were wrong and some lift rings or something

Let's just say that you'd be better off swapping the fuel tank in the atlas for Lionel's. Besides 3rd rail f7's also show high water pants. 

The beauty about the way we make our diesel models is that any details we got wrong on the first run, we can correct on the second run, because only the bare shells are tooled in plastic. Everything else are brass casting add ons. The 2nd Run F7s will not have any of the same errors as the first run. 

The second reason is that we are now away from the factory that stopped supporting us. Now we are with an independent team that is dedicated to serving you, THE CUSTOMER. 

We will add the SF Freight Scheme tonight. Thanks for your support. 

Oh, and if any of you have information about corrections to the tank that are needed, please email me. 

Regards,

Scott Mann

glad to know that they are doing this. I canceled my Atlas units because of the crappy China vertical drive. and other issues.

sdmann posted:

The beauty about the way we make our diesel models is that any details we got wrong on the first run, we can correct on the second run, because only the bare shells are tooled in plastic. Everything else are brass casting add ons. The 2nd Run F7s will not have any of the same errors as the first run. 

The second reason is that we are now away from the factory that stopped supporting us. Now we are with an independent team that is dedicated to serving you, THE CUSTOMER. 

We will add the SF Freight Scheme tonight. Thanks for your support. 

Oh, and if any of you have information about corrections to the tank that are needed, please email me. 

Regards,

Scott Mann

Scott, will all due respect, how come I've been pushing for 3rd rail to add the black and yellow río grande alco PA for months, I've even started a whole thread with multiple people interested and it hasn't been added. And a couple of people ask for a re run and a paint scheme and its added in a matter of hours? 

Here is is the link 

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...-black-w-yellow-nose

I love my Sunset RG F7 despite the drawbacks, and if you can improve them and people want them that's awesome. But I'm truly excited and cannot wait for the rocket TA set and your Alcos. 

My SS RG F7

WOW! Demo F7's!

Scott, you peaked my interest! So the demos are an A-B-A arrangements will I get two different numbers if I order two a units- in 3 rail?

Hey, how come when reserving an F7 demo B unit it shows up as a GN unit? 

I believe a case can be made for more frequent runs of F3's and F7's such that all roads that owned those could be done. Of course the more popular roads would have more frequent offerings

Hi Scott,

Would you allow write ins for the F7s?

Also, Just curious, how are the reservation  for the SD40-2s going

Sorry, but there is no way I can justify buying 9 powered F-units at $600 a pop.  Now... if Scott were to offer at least the option of non-powered B-units I would take a second look.

Jim, I can justify it for you. I got my reservation confirmation today and thought "boy its nice to know ill be spending the equivalent of a fairly nice car on toys"

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

WOW! Demo F7's! Scott, you peaked my interest! So the demos are an A-B-A arrangements will I get two different numbers if I order two a units- in 3 rail?

The Demo A units were both numbered 1950 and the B unit has no number.  There won't be any other numbers because there weren't any other numbers.

Because all the tooling and decorating information has already been done for the F7s it is likely they will be done before the PAs, as none of the design or decorating work has been finished yet for them.

EMD posted:

Hi Scott,

Would you allow write ins for the F7s?

Also, Just curious, how are the reservation  for the SD40-2s going

 

 

You can email Scott requesting and reserving whatever you wish.  It will not show up on the website until about a third of the required 20 have been requested.  That at least gives the livery a fighting chance of not being canceled due to not meeting the required minimum.

As for the SD40-2s - not well.  Not even half way to the design and production queues.  My guess is they will be pushed back to 2018.  Many folks said they wanted them, not many have actually reserved them.  Could be a question of timing with other stuff also announced or a smaller vocal group requesting them vociferously.

I guess no one wanted Western Pacific F7's? 

Hi Scott

Noticed above that a member received a reservation confirmation for a F unit.  I have several orders pending with you but never received a feedback note from you or your office staff. Am I on your list??

Best regards

Tommy

thebeeman posted:

Hi Scott

Noticed above that a member received a reservation confirmation for a F unit.  I have several orders pending with you but never received a feedback note from you or your office staff. Am I on your list??

Best regards

Tommy

 

Tommy,

Email Scott and he WILL get back to you pronto.  That is how is does business.

I always get reservation confirmations for 3rd Rail and GGD

Here are picture of the First Run F7s:

Originally posted by RdunnIII:
prrhorseshoecurve posted:

WOW! Demo F7's! Scott, you peaked my interest! So the demos are an A-B-A arrangements will I get two different

numbers if I order two a units- in 3 rail?

The Demo A units were both numbered 1950 and the B unit has no number.  There won't be any other numbers because there
 weren't any other numbers.

Thanks for that clarification. I placed my 3 rail order! I'm such a sucka for Demo models!

Santafejim, Matt and Scott

I do not receive conf. on orders from GGD. BTW, I did e-mail Scott however he is on the forum.  Scott please tell me where I have gone wrong. 

I have problems in the past with GGD giving me the incorrect info.

Your help would be greatly appreciated

Tommy

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

 

WOW! Demo F7's! Scott, you peaked my interest! So the demos are an A-B-A arrangements will I get two different

numbers if I order two a units- in 3 rail?

The Demo A units were both numbered 1950 and the B unit has no number.  There won't be any other numbers because there
 weren't any other numbers.

Thanks for that clarification. I placed my 3 rail order! I'm such a sucka for Demo models!

Wikipedia for EMD F7 has a chart that shows that EMD made eight (8) demonstrator F7A units that were numbered:

• 801
• 802
• 930A
• 1950A
• 1950B
• 5040
• 459A
• 459D

I don't know how the letter "A" (or the letter "B") are shown on the 1950 numbered units. (Same goes for 459A and 459D)

It also noted that EMD demonstrators 1950A and 1950B eventually went to L&N as #857 and #858

The same Wikipedia site showed that EMD made six (6) demonstrator F7B units that were numbered:

• 459B
• 459C
• 7002
• 7003
• 9052
• 9053

I haven't decided if this announcement is good news, or bad news.

Its both Jon, good news for the train guy in you knowing that Scott is offering a superior model to Atlas and bad news for that cheapskate in you knowing that you ll have to pay for them

thebeeman posted:

Hi Guys, Not really familiar with the paint on the SF F7's.  Could someone give me a site for a good image of the EMD F7 War Bonnet and the Black Widow?  I appreciate your help.

Tommy

Tommy, there are many, many prototype photos posted on Railpictures.net  

The site has a search engine to narrow the selection of what you want to look at. 

Tommy just Google them....you will find hundreds of results.

Tommy, scotts last post up above has SP Black Widow on the very top and Santa Fe Warbonnet on the very bottom

Matt Makens posted:

Its both Jon, good news for the train guy in you knowing that Scott is offering a superior model to Atlas and bad news for that cheapskate in you knowing that you ll have to pay for them

Correct on both accounts, Matt. It's a love/hate thing. I love Scott, my wallet hates him. I just wish Scott would stop coming up with stuff my wallet hates.

Mill City posted:

Matt Makens posted:

Its both Jon, good news for the train guy in you knowing that Scott is offering a superior model to Atlas and bad news for that cheapskate in you knowing that you ll have to pay for them

Correct on both accounts, Matt. It's a love/hate thing. I love Scott, my wallet hates him. I just wish Scott would stop coming up with stuff my wallet hates.

I love it, I feel the same way.  I wish Scott with try again on the NYC H10 Mikado.  I'm ready to put my money where my mouth is on that one.  Diecast is ok, Brass is great.  

Good luck on the second run though.

An ABBA Warbonnet Set sure would look nice for my El Capitan ....... ahh temptation.

Thanks Matt

You have answered my question.  Was the WB or BW assigned to either freight or pass. service?  I'm looking for a ABBA to pull the El Captain. 

( If I'm still on the list).

Tommy

Tommy,

Warbonnet F7s pulled all the passenger trains.  The 200 series blue and yellow units were geared for freight.  Later, the U28CG, the U30CG and ultimately the FP45 pulled the El Capitan prior to Amtrak.

Hope that helps!

thebeeman posted:

Thanks Matt

You have answered my question.  Was the WB or BW assigned to either freight or pass. service?  I'm looking for a ABBA to pull the El Captain. 

( If I'm still on the list).

Tommy

 

Well, you are sort of trying to compare apples and oranges. To be more clear the "WB" is the Santa Fe "War Bonnet" , which was designed for and used for pulling passenger trains. The Santa Fe blue and yellow diesels were for freight.

Now, the "BW", or "Black Widow" styling is for a completely different railroad, i.e. the Southern Pacific, and that styling for primarily for freight service.

War Bonnet F7s pulled the El Capitan

RDUNN, Thank you very much for the reply/update!

Hey Guys, I'm a happy camper. Talked to GGD yesterday (Fri) and we're in for the El Capitan plus a couple of add on.  While on the phone I ordered the Santa Fe F7 set ABBA all powered to pull the El Capitan.  I know I'm gonna luv it.

Most important, I need to thank each and everyone of you for your time and effort helping me get to the best of the next level.

My best regards to all of you.

Tommy

PS> (Whew!! Thank God I do not have a mortgage payment)

Did someone say FP45?  

The 1st run:

I am SO dead.  I will now order from Scott to get a set of SF Warbonnet F7's, a set of SF freight color and, of course, I have to get the demo. I will have to go back to work. Any sympathy for me?

Didn't think so. 

Tommy welcome to the next level of trains 

Scrapiron Scher posted:

I am SO dead.  I will now order from Scott to get a set of SF Warbonnet F7's, a set of SF freight color and, of course, I have to get the demo. I will have to go back to work. Any sympathy for me?

Didn't think so. 

I feel your pain. But then again, you'll find relief in the trains.

Sent this note to Scott Mann on the second run of F7s. 

“Any chance you could do a F7 in Western Pacific, I like to get a 
A-B-A set in 2 rail.” 

This was the answer I got back. 

“Let me put you in for that and I will see if we get more. I have a 
few from the last run but it wasn't enough to go into production.”
Scott 

Anyone interested in Western Pacific F7 on or off the list contact Scott, let him know that you are interested, maybe he will get enough to reach him number.

Ken 

Added C&O, WP and asking Mercer about B&LE.

Oh Scott, youre so great!!!!

Bessemer & Lake Erie in da house...

Mill City posted:

Oh Scott, youre so great!!!!

Jon, that's a little straight forward don't you think

Can someone please post a picture of the Demo units?

Thanks,

Ed

Here you go, courtesy of American Rails .com

Matt Makens posted:

Mill City posted:

Oh Scott, youre so great!!!!

Jon, that's a little straight forward don't you think

Cute.

Note to self: Log out before Matt comes over.

I should've posted on Elliot's layout post about how much you miss him

Matt Makens posted:

I should've posted on Elliot's layout post about how much you miss him

Or maybe you are trying to start a bromance with Scott

While some of you are bromancing I think I'll pass on the F7s.  Bessemer set ABBA will cost over $2400.00 and most likely be a disappointment like their SD9s.  Missing steps, wrong snow cone looking bell and cab doors not painted.  I'll wait for Atlas.

Matt Makens posted:

War Bonnet F7s pulled the El Capitan

Hi Matt,

Didn't F3s also pull the El Cap??  I have an F3 ABBBA from Lionel (powered A & 2  powered B)  I'm hoping that should do the trick.. please don't tell me I have to now buy F7s to be accurate!!

Thanks for the info...

By the time the El Cap was built F7s pulled it. Sorry?

Bessemer643 posted:

While some of you are bromancing I think I'll pass on the F7s.  Bessemer set ABBA will cost over $2400.00 and most likely be a disappointment like their SD9s.  Missing steps, wrong snow cone looking bell and cab doors not painted.  I'll wait for Atlas.

No manufacturer has yet to produce a perfect locomotive and as much as I wish they would for what they charge, it will never happen.  As a result, I'll take a single motor drive over a twin motor drive any day of the week.  Possibly the only exception would be an articulated steam engine.

Opinion.

I have photos of the El Cap being pulled by Alco PAs so anything is possible plus in the off season you never know what motive power you might see

Matt Makens posted:

I have photos of the El Cap being pulled by Alco PAs so anything is possible plus in the off season you never know what motive power you might see

That's true but, didn't the El Cap come into service AFTER the very early FT/F3 War Bonnet units were removed from passenger service?

I'm not sure, a quick look at Wikipedia gives the indication that they did use the F3s but we all know how credible Wikipedia can be. I think my dad has a bunch of Santa Fe books it's that info so I'll have to see. I'm scanning his California pictures from 1967 right now and I'm only SP territory in northern CA with a boat load of Alco shots and diesel hydraulics. When I get to the LA area I'll have many more SF pics and if I see any F3s I'll let you know

Ok, so the Hi-Level cars came in 56 and looking at photos of F3's they were still pulling passenger trains in the mid 1960's so my guess would be it might not be out of the realm of possibility that they would use F3s to pull the El cap somewhere along the line. But if F3s didn't have the guts to pull the California Zephyr thru the mountains would they have the guts to pull the El Capitan?

Matt Makens posted:

Ok, so the Hi-Level cars came in 56 and looking at photos of F3's they were still pulling passenger trains in the mid 1960's so my guess would be it might not be out of the realm of possibility that they would use F3s to pull the El cap somewhere along the line. But if F3s didn't have the guts to pull the California Zephyr thru the mountains would they have the guts to pull the El Capitan?

I'm guessing the F3's did have the guts to pull the CZ.  WP and  DWRG bout used them.

Ive got some zephyr books that ill look in to get the facts correct but it was my understanding that the gearing of the F3's wasn't right for the fast acceleration required of the passenger trainor something to that effect but all three railroads did use the F3's on the zephyr.

As far as I'm concerned, it did!

Picture worth a thousand words, F3's pulling the El Capitan.

These are great looking models.  The NH didn't have any or these F units so I won't be ordering them.  I have two sets of 3rd Rail FL9s which were unique to the NH railroad and other North East commuter lines.  They are great models.  I have the 3 rail version.

I see that all the layout photos of these units are 3-rail.  I am wondering if any of the 2-rail guys have layouts and are running these units.  It would be fun to see your layout photos.

NH Joe

Matt Makens posted:

Ive got some zephyr books that ill look in to get the facts correct but it was my understanding that the gearing of the F3's wasn't right for the fast acceleration required of the passenger trainor something to that effect but all three railroads did use the F3's on the zephyr.

Matt,

All three railroads, i.e. the CB&Q, the D&RGW, and the WP originally planned for, and each ordered, EMD F3 units to be "Run Through" power for the CZ. Once the CB&Q discovered that neither of the other two railroads would be "Running Through" their sets of F3 units, the CB&Q quickly ordered E7A units from EMD. As soon as the CB&Q received their new E7A units, those passenger F3 A-B-A units were replaced on the CZ (well within the very first year of operation), referred and assigned to freight service.

The CB&Q was a much faster railroad than both the D&RGW and WP, plus the CB&Q had no mountain grades to contend with, thus they used the faster "E Units" on pretty much all the various passenger trains.

In connection with 3rd Rail's announcement that it's re-running F7s in the Denver and Rio Grange livery (among other road names), I have a question as to whether it was typical practice for the D&RG to run passenger F-units in consists of A-B-A, A-B-B-A, or perhaps even A-B-B (depending, of course, on the length of the particular passenger train).  

Or maybe there wasn't any "typical practice" as such for D&RG and they used all three configuations (or others) as circumstance dictated.  

I'm hoping someone can enlighten me.  (Maybe Eric L. can weigh in here.)  Thanks!

Thanks for the info Jack. I have had various conversations with my dad about this subject but I always get my details fuzzy.

The 16 class F3s were used by the Santa Fe up through Amtrak and were mixed and matched with F7s after a few years.  When my family moved from San Diego to Washington DC in Feb of 63 we took the combined train from LA to Chicago.  On the head end were 5 units, ABABB.  All I remember was the warbonnets didn't match in the two A units so what the B units were I have no clue. 

There are passenger gearings with lower tractive effort but higher top speeds and freight gearing with higher tractive effort and lower top speeds.

Here is a short video of Santa Fe ABBA F3's pulling the El Capitan as recently as yesterday.  

Not to be out done, this video shows the California Zephyr being pulled by CB&Q ABA F3's.  

Yes it was recorded yesterday as well.    When we play with trains, we can turn back time. 

I can only imagine that somewhere, somebody yesterday was running the CZ with F3 DRG&W and/or WP on the point.

I think it would be a great idea! 

Personally I would love to see these three names. 

1. Norfolk Southern (OCS) 

2. Western Pacific

3. Northern Pacific 

My Q F3's pull the CZ alright!

jvega2 posted:

Picture worth a thousand words, F3's pulling the El Capitan.

There are many many photos of F3s pulling the El Capitan and even the combined Super Chief-El Capitan in the mid to late 60's. F7s were the normal "assigned" power for the El Cap but you'll find all sorts of power combinations on any of the SF trains.

Stirling R. Callahan posted:

I think it would be a great idea! 

Personally I would love to see these three names. 

1. Norfolk Southern (OCS) 

2. Western Pacific

3. Northern Pacific 

I would also like to see the Norfolk Southern executive F units. Would be nice to get them and the dome Delaware done by Scott.

F3s pullmy zephyr too

Hey domes forward, always!

Yeah, Matt, domes forward...always! Geez....

Yeah Yeah Yeah, I was late to the museum and in a hurry to get my completely Hodge podge train running for the visitors. One guy kept telling me how my train was built wrong and I kept telling him I have all the wrong cars so it doesn't matter right now. Half an hour later he'd come tell my how my train was built wrong and he could show me how to do it. After that he kept telling me how my MTH UP cars were backwards and the vestibule goes to the rear. Funny how the same guy told me that Alcos didn't pull the El Capitan the next week I was running at the museum. You ll be happy to know Jon and Santiago that I have corrected my mismatched train and it is now in the Jug Hauler boxes in the correct order with domes forward. It actually drove me nuts that I had the wrong cars for a correct train but I brought home home from the farm in 2 separate trips and I couldn't remember which ones I had at home when I grabbed the next 6 cars and if I didn't have the right train to me it didn't matter how it went on the tracks.

Likely excuse, Matt. BTW, what are 'Jug Hauler' boxes?

Mill City posted:

Likely excuse, Matt. BTW, what are 'Jug Hauler' boxes?

Maybe he means the "O Gauge Hauler" boxes offered by LAIDOFFSICK.

I didnt see any O scale anything being hauled in those boxes

Matt Makens posted:

I didnt see any O scale anything being hauled in those boxes

I didn't either...

Stirling,

We got 3 - 3R F7A  Northern Pacific for sale if you want them, here they are.

http://www.3rdrail.com/Diesel-SuperSale.html

Scott Mann

Mill City posted:

Matt Makens posted:

I didnt see any O scale anything being hauled in those boxes

I didn't either...

Started on the video until I realized I wasn't seeing anything about the boxes...

she gave a demo at O scale west last year. Loved it.

Laidoffsick posted:

Thats the point of having the demo girl there. She gets your attention, then shows you how to use the product. Quite simple marketing used by many companies. I dont see a problem.

I didn't see "a" problem, I saw two. And I don't consider either a problem.

There was a product in there?

The OP asked about Rio Grande practice. I have looked at a lot photos in my Rio Grande books and they all show F-3s (or F-7s) in A-B-B-A configuration when working the CZ. I have a photo of an A-B-B set of mixed F-units on the Prospector, an A-A set of F-7s assisted by an ALCo PA-PB set on the Royal Gorge, an F-3 B headed by an ALCo PA on the Royal Gorge, an F-3 A with ALCo PB on the Royal Gorge, and an F-3 A + F-3 B on the Royal Gorge, just for example, and an FT A, FT B, and F-7 on a freight. I think it's up to you on the freight and passenger, unless it's the CZ, in which case it should be A-B-B-A F-3s or F-7s (or A-B-A ALCos) for the premier train. And don't forget the "Perlman Mallet," four F-7s with a GP-9 spliced into the middle.

sdmann posted:

Stirling,

We got 3 - 3R F7A  Northern Pacific for sale if you want them, here they are.

http://www.3rdrail.com/Diesel-SuperSale.html

Scott Mann

 

 

Hi Scott,

Are there any photos of the NPs out there to see?

Thanks,

Sam

How many orders are needed to run a loco paint scheme?

I'd love to see the L&N done, but nobody ever seems to express interest in the L&N, except for Sam & myself.

I'd love to buy L&N locomotives if they were made, but it seems like the L&N is the red headed step child of the Class 1's.

It takes an order of 20 units to typically get a run to move forward.  Due to the small nature of this second run, I would think any combination of A and B units in two and three rail would be enough to advance that paint scheme forward.

Remember that 20 units is 10 AB sets or 5 ABBA sets.  Given how there are usually 4 different numbers, 5 ABBA sets mean only 2 of the 5 sets have duplicate numbers.  Anyone who will guarantee 20 units will get them done.  If 20 sell you're off the hook  if 15 sell your on the hook for the 5, etc.  This was how the SF yellowbonnets started out in the last run and they ended up being the second or third most popular livery.  Scott does not try and guess what people want, their reservations do that.  I guaranteed 20 Amtrak E8s when they were originally dropped due to insufficient reservations.  Scott now has the 20 so I am off the hook; except for the ones I reserved.

I would love to buy a SD40 and a couple of F7s. But after buying the El Capitan set and ordering the PAs and the E8s, you can buy only so much.

Green Bay & Western posted:

I would love to buy a SD40 and a couple of F7s. But after buying the El Capitan set and ordering the PAs and the E8s, you can buy only so much.

I wouldn't worry about the SD40-2s happening anytime soon.  Too few reservations.  Probably looking at a year from now or more for delivery.  My guess is the F7s will be on the schedule after the E8s and before the PAs, with other passenger trains and steam locomotives sprinkled instbetween.

RDUNNIII how's the TA rocket set looking?

The SD40s are guaranteed to be quite a ways out

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

RDUNNIII how's the TA rocket set looking?

Absolutely no clue.  Sorry.

Oh the joys of Jet Lag:

Here's an update on Diesel Production from Sunset /3rd Rail:

E8s and E9s, all finished, all inspected 3-4 times each by myself and my Korean production manager. I can't ask for greater people to work with in China. These guys (2 Chinese Guys)  own the factory (Not Really a Factory, but an Assembly House) and sit right with their workers assembling and touching up everything that needs to be done. Imagine 12-20 skilled modelers all working 10 hours a day to assemble, mask, paint, decal, test and retest again until each model looks like an expert produced it. It's fantastic. A little expensive, but great results. Well OK, it's a lot expensive.

E8/E9 Small Second Run for Standby Orders: We will try to fill any standby orders from the first run, those that can't be filled will be produced in the second run. Please don't change your order, just let us sort it out.

F7 2nd Run: Is starting immediately. We have ordered enough materials for 350 units, we have 340 reserved. So if your on the fence you have a short window before orders will go to standby.  There will not be a 3rd Run for a long time. To be finished end of June, yes END OF JUNE, and arriving in July. It can move out a little, but this is the production schedule.

ALCO PAs: We are beginning work on the tools now, production in August to September, Finishing in October.

Steam Engines:  CB&Q O1a Finished in JULY.  T&P 2-10-4 in October.

Trains and Cars:  O Scale Harriman Cars Finished in JULY.  GN Empire and Great Dome in NOVEMBER. Sunset Limited NOVEMBER. SILVER METEOR Early Next Year, working on design next.

THANK YOU ALL THAT HAVE SUPPORTED US IN DATA, CORRECTIONS and ORDERING.

In one of these threads, customers asked about Layaway. We are flexible but want no more than 3 months of payments once the models arrive. But we make exceptions especially if more than one project has arrived for you in the same shipment.

Any Questions: Not here, email me for fastest response.

A note about improvements to the 2nd Run of F7s:

1. Correction of all lift ring positions.

2. Fuel Tank will be diecast instead of built up brass with weights inside. Also lowered 2mm per Santiago's request.

3. Grills will be installed using tabs, not glued in from the outside.

4. The journals will use ball bearings for super smooth performance.

5. Extra Dummy short 3 Rail couplers will be provided in each 3 Rail box.

6. Cab Windows will be installed from the inside as they were designed. Not from the outside as the first run ended up. (Sorry, the rogue factory wouldn't cooperate with some last minute corrections).

I think that I spotted mine in that pile,Scott!

Norm

sdmann posted:

A note about improvements to the 2nd Run of F7s:

1. Correction of all lift ring positions.

2. Fuel Tank will be diecast instead of built up brass with weights inside. Also lowered 2mm per Santiago's request.

3. Grills will be installed using tabs, not glued in from the outside.

4. The journals will use ball bearings for super smooth performance.

5. Extra Dummy short 3 Rail couplers will be provided in each 3 Rail box.

6. Cab Windows will be installed from the inside as they were designed. Not from the outside as the first run ended up. (Sorry, the rogue factory wouldn't cooperate with some last minute corrections).

 

Absolutely nothing better than seeing continuous quality improvement.

You guys have my respect and sympathy in dealing with such massive offshore development efforts.

Thanks for for the updates Scott! Can't wait to get my hands on the F7s and those PAs!!! 

My only regret is not having a big enough wallet to get more!!

I am looking forward to my Demo units.  

I hope next year a rerun of the FP7's will occur and have an offering of Demo units as well!

sdmann posted:

 

5. Extra Dummy short 3 Rail couplers will be provided in each 3 Rail box. 

Scott this is probably a "Dummy" question.  But do these have fixed pilots as standard?  Is a 2-rail pilot with narrow "scale" opening included in the box?  Thanks!

All 3rd Rail locos have fixed pilots but you will need to order the 2 rail Kadee pilot separate. They're like $20

Dear Folks,

Thank you all for your orders. Our reservations for the F7 Rerun are full. We are limited by the parts ordered from various subcontractors to make these models starting NOW. Look for delivery in July / August.

Have a great spring/summer.

Thank You,

Scott Mann

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

I hope next year a rerun of the FP7's will occur and have an offering of Demo units as well!

For information: These are demonstrators built by GMD (General Motors Diesel LTD.) in Canada for demo-ing on the CP and CN. 

To the best of my knowledge, EMD LaGrange never had FP7 demonstrators.

Rusty

I got my invoice for the F7's a week ago, El Cap and Empire Builder motive power will be here soon. Time to get em paid for

Originally posted by Rusty Traque:

For information: These are demonstrators built by GMD (General Motors Diesel LTD.) in Canada for demo-ing on the CP and CN.

To the best of my knowledge, EMD LaGrange never had FP7 demonstrators.

Rusty

Well That's good to know for the next Model RR trivia game. If these units are built in O scale that has the same sharp MTH demo paint scheme on their F3 demonstrator's it will be a BIG HIT!