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I stopped by the local Fed-Ex depot today to pick up the two 21" StationSounds dining cars I pre-ordered some time ago from Charlie Ro:  the Empire State Express livery and the Texas Special livery.  Since I don't have an operating layout, these are just some very quick iPhone pics of the ESE car on display shelving.  Sorry I can't demo the actual StationSounds effects in a video, but I'm sure somebody will do that here in the next day or two.

When I looked at the shipping cartons (both cars shipped separately), it wasn't obvious to me where to start opening the outer shipping box.  Packing tape surrounded ALL edges of the shipping carton, so proceed with caution if your cars are shipped.  Apparently these cars don't come in their own individual factory-direct shipping carton as the earlier StationSound diners did, so I suspect dealers are breaking these out of a possible twin- or triple-pack master carton.  In any event, I opened both cars by carefully slicing both ends of the shipping carton and then one of the long edge corners... creating a long flap that opened revealing the dining car in a cellophane window-ed product box protected by a cardboard shim over the window.  Again, I really don't understand why Lionel ventured away from the packaging that worked so well for decades.  My only explanation is the bean-counters are now completely running the asylum. 

Anyway, without further ado... here is the ESE diner... a very nicely detailed car on par with the Texas Special 21" cars I purchased earlier this year.

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I didn't purchase the entire Lionel ESE set, because I had snagged a great deal on the GGD 8-car ESE set last Summer.  But I've always been a fan of Lionel's StationSounds cars from the TMCC days,  so it seemed like a natural to add an ESE StationSounds diner to go along with the GGD ESE set.  I knew the finish wouldn't match... and sure enough it's not even close.  The GGD ESE cars have a strongly weathered, almost-copper tint to their finish; whereas the Lionel ESE cars are a bright clean silver finish.  Purists will undoubtedly balk at this, but it's not a show-stopper for me.  After all, I have Lionel's Penn Central passenger set on order too (from the 2016 catalog), and those cars have all kinds of color mismatches by design!   

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Having seen photos of the ESE cars from Lionel's NYC ESE passenger set with Hudson locomotive earlier this year, I also knew that Lionel's ESE cars have the full-width diaphragms... whereas GGD's have the narrow-width diaphragms.  Again, purists will balk at this.  But if you can get beyond that, at least the height and width of the Lionel ESE diner matches very closely with that of the GGD cars.  Even the couplers match evenly. 

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So yes... it's painfully obvious that these cars were produced by different importers at different times.  But as I said earlier, it's no big deal for me.  It was more important for me to have the StationSounds effects on such a nice train like this.  I'm sure some folks might be tempted to extricate the StationSounds electronics from the Lionel car and move them over to the GGD diner.  And that should work just fine.  I'm just not inclined to do that these days.  So I'll live with the color mismatch. 

Hopefully somebody posts a video of the audio effects soon.  But for now, we know these cars have arrived... and enthusiasts can now complete the 21" passenger trains whose 4-pack and 2-pack arrived earlier this year.  I did notice in Charlie Ro's recent "products just in" email that some of the the SSD liveries (i.e., Wabash, Rock Island, C&O) are already "sold out" at Charlie's store.  So I guess the pricing games will begin at other dealers who still have those liveries in stock.   Some things never change.

Nonetheless, it's nice to have these cars back again.  The StationSounds Diners have been long overdue, and several beautiful Lionel passenger trains in recent years were produced without them.  I'm glad they're back, since the sound effects always bring out a smile from visitors and train enthusiasts alike.

David

 

 

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Trainlover9943 posted:

Beautiful cars! Do you have any pictures of the Texas Special SS Diner car? 

Yes... here's a quick picture of the Texas Special StationSounds diner...

 

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Unfortunately, this one needs to be returned back to Charlie Ro for an exchange.  Calling the store first thing Monday morning.

Two flaws:  the worst of which is one of the trucks simply drops out of the body.  I looked inside (easy enough to do by removing the 4 body screws), but the SSD electronics package covers where the truck would enter the compartment.  And I'm not about to disassemble the SSD electronics area to fix this.  For $200+ out of my pocket, I'm asking for another new product, and Charlie can ship this faulty model back to Lionel.  Hopefully I'll have better luck with a new one.  Meanwhile, Lionel's customer service department can feel some pressure from its factory's shabby workmanship, and then they can sell this one on the cheap (as refurbished) to somebody who goes to their warehouse sale in November.    After reading a few other online posts, it sounds like Lionel's CS department will be seeing a few of these cars. 

The other flaw on the car is just a cosmetic detail that I could probably fix with a dab of plastic glue.  Seems one of the roof vents broke loose during shipment.  But here's the oddity... the EXACT SAME ROOF VENT also broke loose off my ESE StationSounds diner too!!!    But I was able to simply "snap" that one back in place.  On the Texas Special model, however, it appears the two plastic tabs holding these roof vents in place broke off the roof vent and are still lodged in the car's rooftop.  So this roof vent won't just snap back into place.

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Given I'm 2 for 2 with these roof vents breaking loose during shipping, I'd suggest you all double-check your cars when they arrive.  Again, I was able to fix the ESE model very easily, but the Texas Special model would need glue to fix it.  But since I'm returning the car because of the bad truck, I'm not gonna worry about it. 

Bottom line... check your cars as soon as you receive them.  Looks like the Chinese equivalent of the Keystone Kops assembled these cars.    Best to check the electronics too, 'cause ya just never know with these things.  EVERYTHING needs to be checked nowadays with this jun... -- I mean stuff -- coming over from China!  

David

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David 

Just received my C & O diner and it had the very same vent off of the roof of the car.  The pins were still attashed to the vent so a drop of ca fixed it. Put the car on the track and ran the sounds and every thing else is ok.  Your warning to check the diners out once you get them is a good idea. Don't put them on the shelf until this fall, look at them now.

Thanks for the heads up.

S T E

 

Thanks for posting the beautiful pictures. This is a Giant step towards Luxury Realism in our Hobby. The Beauty of these cars makes me wish I had ordered them, however, my layout just is not set up for 21 inch cars. Yes, my minimum curve diameter is 072, and maximum diameter is 0120. These cars deserve a huge layout with lots of room. Lionel's 18 inch cars work really fine for me. This is a Wonderful Hobby....Happy Railroading.

leapinlarry posted:

... These cars deserve a huge layout with lots of room. Lionel's 18 inch cars work really fine for me. This is a Wonderful Hobby....Happy Railroading.

Larry, I agree with you 1,000%.  Had Lionel included the Texas Special as part of their last production run of 18" aluminum cars (as originally catalog'd), THAT's the set I would have preferred.  18" cars are really ideal for most medium-sized layouts, and the 21" cars really seem much more "appropriate" on only the largest basement empires and club layouts.

I was on the fence about 21" cars, and then decided I'd try them out with few unique trains like the California Zephyr, El Capitan High-Level, and Texas Special.  I even succumbed a bit more with the Lionel 2016 catalog's Penn Central and UP Excursion trains.  But short of a super eye-catching train like the Rocky Mountaineer in its latest paint-scheme, I think I'm calling it quits on any additional sets based on 21" cars.  Although my new layout design can technically accommodate the 21" cars, I don't want to overpower the layout with them.

David

When I read that the newer Passenger Cars were going to be made of Plastic, I was a bit concerned about Quality and of course the overall Appearance and how the end Product would turn out. I do not intend this to be negative, I have been accustomed to the nice 18 inch Alluminum sets of the early to mid 2000's. A friend of mine, in the Nashville Tennessee area purchased the Empire State Set, and we took the set to Hawesville, Kentucky (Outside Owensboro, Ky.) and ran this set on a 3500 square foot Empire. So, when we unpacked this beautiful set, We Were ALL Amazed at the Really Beautiful Attention to Detail and color of these cars. Lionel did an amazing job of creating these luxury detailed passenger cars. The layout I am actually speaking of, is JOHNNY DAWSON'S, a Really huge Track Plan, with Long, Wide, Sweeping curves.....21 inch cars seem right at home on his layout. So, I really like these newly designed cars...Thanks for posting.

 

William 1 posted:

Well, if I'm counting right, that's five sets of 21" cars.  Or about fifty running feet.  Yeah, probably a good idea not to overpower the layout.  Layout?

Well... if it makes you feel any better, all five sets wouldn't be on the layout at the same time.  Perhaps just two at most.  And most often just one.  That's another reason I don't plan on purchasing any additional 21" passenger sets.  Compromises need to be made on all but the largest basement empires and club layouts, and a huge passenger terminal/yard didn't make the final cut on my new layout design.  Sigh...... 

David

jeremy ferrell posted:

I think it's interesting the height and or body to truck gap on photo of the Lionel car compared too the other brand.  The two are closer than I expected 

Agreed.  I expected there to be a more noticeable difference, but I was pleasantly surprised.  If you want to see a more noticeable difference though, compare Lionel's new 21" cars to those from Atlas-O (i.e., their CZ and Amtrak Zephyr cars).  Atlas-O gets the fit-and-finish nod in that comparison.

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