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I've decided to take my own advice and start this... Although I am primarily a fan of the New York Central and Pennsylvania Railroad, there are a few other smaller lines that I really like. One of these is the Delaware & Hudson. Much like the New Haven, I think one of the first things that drew me to the D&H was the paint scheme - there is something about the blue, gray, and yellow that is beautiful. I read in The Historical Guide to North American Railroads that the D&H upgraded their passenger service to take people to Expo 67 - the World's Fair in Montreal. As a kid, I took a train from Manhattan to Montreal to go to the fair - don't know if it was on the D&H, but I know it definitely traveled over some of their trackage. And now that I live in northeast Pennsylvania, I am in some of the D&H's latter day territory (I sware I saw a painting somewhere of a D&H PA going over the Starruca viaduct which isn't too far from my house). 

So to kick things off, here is the first D&H train I purchased. These are a pair (powered & dummy) of Lionel U36c's from around 1981 (the list of authorized service stations show 1980-81). I'm sure Jim (carsntrains) will take me to task again, but these have been packed away for years!!!

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So, let's see your D&H trains, model or real.

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Arnold D. Cribari posted:

Here is a Lionel postwar 6420 D.L.&W. lighted work caboose:

65362A03-B4B5-4FEC-BECA-A2B1BD3C9EDBDoes the D.L.&W. stand for Delaware, Lackawanna and Western, or Delaware and Western?

I often run it with my Delaware & Hudson engines.

 

Arnold;

According to my copy of The Historical Guide to North American Railroads, DL&W stood for Delaware, Lackawanna, and Western.

Hopefully there is someone on the Forum who is more up on the history aspect of the D&H than me, but, as best as I can tell, while the D&H and the DL&W covered some of the same area, but were not related, even by merger... anyone???

Alco Jim posted:

The Delaware and Hudson went under Starrucca viaduct. The Erie ran on it. The D & H abandoned this line when they purchased the former Lackawanna line from Taylor, PA to Binghamton from Conrail in 1980. 

Thanks Jim. Well, at least I got the D&H PA and the Starrucca Viaduct part right!!!

I have the Lionel D&H PA's -  believe they are numbers 18 and 19. When the weather is a bit nicer, I plan on heading up to see the viaduct... I'll have to bring the engines along and see it I can get a shot with the viaduct.

Apples55 posted:
GVDobler posted:

Just saw an article in Classic Trains about two PAs from Santa Fe RR being painted in blue and silver war bonnet scheme and pulling passengers on the D & H. Striking paint job.

By any chance could you tell me what issue that was in??? From what I could find online, the D&H only had 4 PA's and all were ex-Santa Fe. Love the war bonnet scheme.

Winter 2017

Those are the four (sorry 2 or 4)  I mentioned. The article was actually about putting a smaller HP motor in one to make an excursion date.

One of my grandfathers was a signal maintainer for the "Delay & Hesitate". He worked out of the yard between Alplaus & SchenectaIMG_0029IMG_0030IMG_0031IMG_0032day proper. His wife worked in the ALCO plant just across the Mohawk River in their business office.

I've always enjoyed the D&H and it's paint scheme; used to watch the freights enter the yard on the way into town from Mechanicsville.

Here's some shots of my Lionel U30C (which is for sale..). I also have an Atlas"O" Century series C628 in D&H livery

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RSJB18 posted:

I like them a lot. The color scheme is sharp. Running mostly northeast roads they would fit in nicely on my layout.  All of the current models are too big for 027 .

I could run a RS-3 if one came up for sale.

Not 100% sure, but I would think that the Lionel Legacy D&H RS-11 shown below would run well on 027 track. It’s not that big:

FF972F8D-A5F7-477E-A65C-A5E5FBDEE328It runs great on my O Gauge tubular track and 031 curves. It’s about a $325 to $350 engine with great sounds, smoke and pulling power.

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GVDobler posted:
Apples55 posted:
GVDobler posted:

Just saw an article in Classic Trains about two PAs from Santa Fe RR being painted in blue and silver war bonnet scheme and pulling passengers on the D & H. Striking paint job.

By any chance could you tell me what issue that was in??? From what I could find online, the D&H only had 4 PA's and all were ex-Santa Fe. Love the war bonnet scheme.

Winter 2017

Those are the four (sorry 2 or 4)  I mentioned. The article was actually about putting a smaller HP motor in one to make an excursion date.

After thought. Same issue different article shows #18 is now in private hands and is now painted in NPR livery and about 75% back to running condition. Cool.

Paul, I was really hoping you were going to take your own advice (from the Weekend Photo Fun thread) and start this D&H thread!  I was away on a business trip for a couple days and just getting a chance to catch up on the Forum. 

I grew up in northeastern PA with the D&H Sunbury (former PRR, then PC) mainline very close to my home and saw D&H freights just about every day.  I always liked their various locomotive paint schemes...the "Lightning Stripe" version being my favorite.  There's just something about that blue, yellow and gray combo!!

I'll have plenty of photos to contribute to this thread as I own a large # of D&H items.  Thanks again for starting it!

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Gaudy diesels aside, the D&H had some of the most interesting steam locos on US rails, ever, especially in the L.F. Loree days, but even later, when the Challengers and 4-8-4's showed up (yes, the D&H 4-8-4 "favored" the NYC Niagara, kind of, but was not at all the same design; it was instead a close relative of some RI and MILW 4-8-4's; the D&H Challengers were copied by the Clinchfield, before that road's ex-DRGW 4-6-6-4's showed up).

These D&H locos are seldom - ever? - modeled in 3RO, beyond a paint job or that 3rd Rail stab at the Challenger. Too bad.

They were very, ah, particular designs, to be sure, especially the big Loree 2-8-0's and experimentals, but many an odd duck has been offered in 3RO. I'd buy that 4-cylinder, high-pressure D&H 4-8-0 (Mastodon) in a flash.  

I have been following this thread for a while now & was thinking about chiming in but didn't until now. 

So here goes. I have had a house in upstate NY in the Catskills on the old route of the D&H that ran between Lackawanna, PA. & Kingston, NY. The Route was used to bring PA coal to the barges on the Hudson in  Kingston for transport to NYC & other places. There are about 6 or 8 D&H historical sights along Rt 209 in NY, a few old stations, & RR history still exist along the way. 

My kids & Grandkids & my self use the old right of way which is the track bed now,as an ATV trail. Along the trail there are a bunch of old copper minds dug into the Shawngunk  Mts. that you can access right off the trail, really very interesting. The Shawngunk Mt,s is the mountain range within the lower Catskills that run from Port Jervis up north to Kingston & above. The D&H Right of Way was cut into the side & base of them.

Along with the right of way runs the D&H barge canal & tow path. The canal pre dates the D&H RR. The Barge locks are still  there although a little over grown but still very visible & massive. They were made with blocks of local granite most the size of Volkswagons fit in place with the precision the  Egyptians   built the Pyramidswith it is really very impressive & amazing.  Along the barge canal there are still a few of the houses that the Lock Masters lived & operated the locks from. A few have been maintained & people still live in them.  40 years ago or more I made friends with an older fellow named Bob Louis who still lived in one of the houses & his Great Grand Father was the lock master of that particular lock. Bob has since passed & I don't really know who lives there now.

Most all of the towns along the canal have a street called the Tow Path & Burme Rd. runs along the Tow Path almost from Port Jervis NY to Kingston NY. The Burme was built along the canal where the earth wasn't high enough to dig the canal.

Just a little local history      

Jerry Del posted:

I have been following this thread for a while now & was thinking about chiming in but didn't until now. 

So here goes. I have had a house in upstate NY in the Catskills on the old route of the D&H that ran between Lackawanna, PA. & Kingston, NY. The Route was used to bring PA coal to the barges on the Hudson in  Kingston for transport to NYC & other places. There are about 6 or 8 D&H historical sights along Rt 209 in NY, a few old stations, & RR history still exist along the way. 

My kids & Grandkids & my self use the old right of way which is the track bed now,as an ATV trail. Along the trail there are a bunch of old copper minds dug into the Shawngunk  Mts. that you can access right off the trail, really very interesting. The Shawngunk Mt,s is the mountain range within the lower Catskills that run from Port Jervis up north to Kingston & above. The D&H Right of Way was cut into the side & base of them.

Along with the right of way runs the D&H barge canal & tow path. The canal pre dates the D&H RR. The Barge locks are still  there although a little over grown but still very visible & massive. They were made with blocks of local granite most the size of Volkswagons fit in place with the precision the  Egyptians   built the Pyramidswith it is really very impressive & amazing.  Along the barge canal there are still a few of the houses that the Lock Masters lived & operated the locks from. A few have been maintained & people still live in them.  40 years ago or more I made friends with an older fellow named Bob Louis who still lived in one of the houses & his Great Grand Father was the lock master of that particular lock. Bob has since passed & I don't really know who lives there now.

Most all of the towns along the canal have a street called the Tow Path & Burme Rd. runs along the Tow Path almost from Port Jervis NY to Kingston NY. The Burme was built along the canal where the earth wasn't high enough to dig the canal.

Just a little local history      

Very interesting Jerry. Thanks for sharing this history.

Thanks for the kind words, Earl!  

As for the track, I started off by spraying it all (rails and ties) with Rust-Oleum Camo Brown flat.  This was done before ballasting.

Next, after ballasting, I applied a thinned-down rust color with a small brush to highlight the very bottom of the rails, tie plates and spikes.  Then I went back over the rail sides with a dark-colored paint pen to add some variation to the Camo Brown and to cover up the rust color that I accidentally applied too high up on the rail sides.  I finished by cleaning the tops of the rails with a fine sanding block.

Finally, I dry brushed some gray and black on the top of the ties to simulate weathering and some random grease/oil drippings and stains.

Quite the process, but since this is a small module that I built for photographing my trains, I was willing to put in the time and effort.  Not sure I would have the patience to fuss that much with a large layout!

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Finally got down to the basement for the first time in a while today... pulled this off the shelf. It is a Lionel RS-11 from around 2000 (TMCC). Love the front end.

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And, based on some comments from Peter (Putnam Division), I picked this up from Amazon.

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Only had a chance to browse through it so far, but seems like a good resource of info. Two things I've noticed so far... the D&H had some WEIRD looking steamers, and they had an incredible headquarters building in Albany (looks like it is now headquarters for the State University of New York). Here is what it looks like today:

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Thanks for the kind comments Paul - No, not a new layout. This one was removed from our home when we moved in the fall of 2012. I used all ScaleTrax and was striving towards a more overall realistic appearance for it. Had to dismantle it before it was finished!

Have always liked the D&H and am gradually building up a roster of some diesels. This week I acquired this nice U30C from a Forum member. It has a completely different horn from the sister Santa Fe U28c behind it. Both Lionel models from 10+ years or so ago. I like the rich blue used as well.

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Scotie posted:

85-74154Can't forget the I love NY box car, quick search didn't for a prototype, I believe this is MTH HO.

As someone born and raised in Brooklyn, still gotta love NY. Here is the Lionel version (9475)...

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Here is a link to George Elwood's Fallen Flags website where I found some photos of prototypes. The site is a treasure trove of train photos, sorted by line:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/dh/dh.html

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Apples55 posted:
Scotie posted:

85-74154Can't forget the I love NY box car, quick search didn't for a prototype, I believe this is MTH HO.

As someone born and raised in Brooklyn, still gotta love NY. Here is the Lionel version (9475)...

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Here is a link to George Elwood's Fallen Flags website where I found some photos of prototypes. The site is a treasure trove of train photos, sorted by line:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/dh/dh.html

And here is the Correct Atlas O scale version:

I love ny2I love ny1I love ny3I love ny4

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Here is a fairly recent thread I am resurrecting for those of us who love Delaware snd Hudson trains.

Below is my favorite model: a Lionel TMCC D&H diesel made in early 2000s. It's a very good puller with great smoke and sounds, but I think the best think about it is its gorgeous livery:

It also runs at a nice slow and smooth prototypical speed at 18 volts while pulling a long train.

Arnold

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Thought you might all enjoy this photo from northeast.railfan.net website.  The line on the bridge was known as the “Laurel Line” that had a route from Wilkes-Barre to Scranton, Pennsylvania and which part of that line now is used for fan excursions at the trolley museum on the property adjacent to Steamtown.  The location for this photo is in on the Dupont side of the border with Avoca.  The two rail lines below the bridge are the Lehigh Valley (foreground) and D&H (background).  Further in the photo, there is an auto bridge on the right side and just past that, out of site, both rail lines cross each other.  Because of flooding damage from tropical storm Agnes, the lines built an interconnection in 1973 or 1974?

I grew up less than a mile from here but never saw the Laurel Line because I was born after it ceased operations.  But many a summer night, I’d hear the whistles and train sounds emanating from both main lines as they traveled back and forth.  The D&H also had a lengthy passing siding through the town just a bit again to the right and out of sight of the photo.  My dad passed a few years back but while I was visiting and he was reminiscing, he discussed his high school years, specifically during WW2.  The school overlooked the D&H line and he said that regularly they would jump from their seats during class and wave to the “troop trains” that would often go by.  The teachers all supported that - certainly times were different!  

The Laurel Line bridge is long gone and as I recall, it was dismantled in the early 1960s.  But the bridge abutment on the left of the picture was removed I’m guessing only a half dozen years ago.  My dad also told me stories about the Laurel line’s 3rd rail.  He chuckled too when he said that the ladies would complain about the cinders flying from the trains on both the LV and D&H as they would land on the clothes that they had just hung on the line to dry!  Again, times were different.

Alas, I was also too young to see or at least remember steam going through the town, but I do relish memories of getting trapped in our car between the LV and D&H lines as sometimes the trains would both pass through the town simultaneously.   It was fun to count the rail cars and bet as to whether there was a pushing engine and additionally, which train would pass by first.  In the summer you could always get the fellow in the DH caboose to wave!  Periodically there was a bonus as the D&H may have had another train on the passing siding, so there would be three trains for enjoyment.  Again based on recollection, I believe the D&H traveled through more frequently than the LV.  I just wish that someone had photos to share of steamers going through the town and especially where the Laurel Line crossed both main lines.

I hope you all enjoy this info.

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Thanks for the history, Bob. Funny you should post it today - this morning, I went to the movies up on Montage Mountain. As we were turning into the Mall, you have to cross the old trolley tracks, and for only the second time in all the years i’ve Been going there, the gates came down for a trolley (it appeared to be a school trip). Unfortunately, my phone wasn’t on, so I couldn’t get any pics. A couple of years ago, Grzyboski’s made a version of a Laurel Line trolley for their 40th anniversary.

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PAUL ROMANO posted:

IMG_5737                             D&H Challenger #1530- Forest City, PA Circa 1950

I spent every summer from 1949 to 1963 in Forest City, PA. My Grandfather was a coal miner. He had part of his right foot cut off by a D&H train while crossing the tracks going to work in the mine. 

Fabulous picture, Paul. Mr. Muffins was trying to drum up interest in a special run Lionel D&H Challenger, but I was one of the very few takers - your picture makes me very sad  

I grew up in a small town in upstate NY and the D&H was the line that went through town.  As kids we'd yell at the RS3's serving local factories to throw us chalk and they'd usually oblige.  When I had my layout I had the SP Daylight and the Super Chief, but I still maintain that the D&H Alcos in front of either the MTH 5-car aluminum 60ft set or the Williams 6-car fluted set was the prettiest train I ever saw.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

The D&H fits right in with my Pennsylvania railroads, and they indeed do have a great paint scheme.  My contribution is my Legacy Sharks, Love the look of the sharks and the D&H paint scheme.

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Very nice set John.

I just got a Williams ABA set. I will post some pix soon.

Bob

Aside from the Alcos and passenger cars I mentioned before, I ran the Railking Challenger which was issued in D&H livery.  It's one of the articulated steamers in that line that really looked great running on 072 curves.  Those of you looking for D&H steam would do well to track one down.  Other than a Camelback and an old Lionel steamer from years ago, I don't know of any other O Gauge steam in that livery.  Was always waiting for an MTH Pacific but it never came.

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And let's not forget Weaver's contributions to this sharp-looking line in O Scale - 20-inch aluminum passenger cars, A-B pairings of Baldwin Sharks in two different sets of road numbers, Alco C-630s in a few different road numbers, U-boats, and much more!

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