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I've noticed a common theme in a number of threads relating to business of trains, their import, manufacture, and companies which sell us trains, that theme being that we should expect them to have to offer the most up date technology, meet projected ship dates, have a reasonable quantity of product on hand, offer a large selection with multiple road names and prototypes, and to be ever mindful of their retail prices. 

 

This brought me to consider where does that expectation come from and exactly who are we asking to meet it.

 

The first part of the question I believe is that our expectation is based upon interactions with other companies, Apple, Amazon, Wal-Mart, etc., who establish the norms we as consumers come to expect in terms of quality, quantity, etc.These are for the most part big companies.

 

The second part asks us to look at the suppliers of O scale trains, Lionel, MTH, K-Line, etc., those larger companies who supply the majority of the trains we purchase.

 

So just how big a company is Lionel, MTH, etc., the answers are not easy to find, but if we look at the documents from the law suites between the companies and the bankruptcy filings we can get a rough idea. From those documents in the pre-recession years, around 7 years ago +/-, Lionel and MTH had sales revenues between 30 and 60 million dollars each, K-Line was between 5 and 7 million during the same time frame. If those numbers are accurate I would propose that all of O scale as sales of between 70 and 140 million dollars, a wide span, but we only need be in the ball park to look at how how we expect these companies to stack up with those companies who establish our expectations.

 

This year Lego is projecting sales to reach $490 million USD. This gives Lego sales of 3.5 times our high end sale estimates for all O scale train sales by all companies.

 

In 2013, Mattel, maker of Barbie, Matchbox, Fisher-Price, and Hot Wheels, amongst other brands, had sales of 6.3 billion dollars. This leaves O scale 52 times smaller in total sales that Mattel.

 

If we look to the Fortune 500 the scale of O scale becomes even clearer, in 2013 Fortune ranked The Children's Place (a retailer of kids clothes) 999 with sales of 1.83 billion. Nearly 13 times the size of all O scale.

 

All the companies mentioned as setting benchmarks for expectations were ranked by Fortune well ahead of the Children's Place.

 

This all leads me to realize just how small a fish even our biggest names are in the big pond that is American business. The harsh reality is Lionel, MTH, etc., are not big companies they are larger small to mid-size companies depending upon which end of the sale estimates we consider. This changed my view of what is reasonable to expect from these companies, they are all doing amazing things on what many larger companies would consider small sales revenues. 

 

Food for thought before the next thread about about how X,Y,or Z, has not made a certain prototype in a certain road name again, or how there is a delay due to X,Y, or Z not being able to secure electronic components. I venture these companies are doing their best to compete in the big pond in which they must operate.

 

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We can count ourselves fortunate to have the current quality of production (and American Flyer to boot!) given the fade toy trains experienced from the mass marketplace beginning in the 1960s.  I thank the major manufacturers for their continued dedication to making the best products our greatest hobby has ever seen!  I truly believe what they are making today will be admired by and inspire future generations.

I recall seeing somewhere a few years ago that Lionel was just shy of $70 million.  that makes in a pretty small company, really.  MTH is even smaller: I'd estimate about half the size or a bit larger.  Still, I am impressed with and pleased with the results of both. . . 

 

BTW: There are different ways of measuring size, but Lego has arguably just become the worlds largest toymaker . . . 

 

http://online.wsj.com/articles...e-success-1409820074

It is my belief that these companies Lionel, MTH, and other companies that make products to support our hobby are doing all of us a great service.  They design, engineer, develop, manufacture, market, and service many, many products each year for our consumption, and for our pleasure.  For this reason, I do not ever offer negative or critical comments regarding their efforts or actions.  I applaud them for what they continue to do for a few citizens of this old world.  

Jsson:

 

All very good points. The posts and threads you refer to are a refection of consumer demands on our train suppliers, and many times their disappointment if a product they ordered has issues. In actuality, I believe this is a healthy trend. It is a way of holding the manufacturers to a reasonable standard of quality.

 

Personally, I have no bones to pick with our train manufacturers. Do they on occasion have quality issues? Sure, but I see a concerned effort on their part to make it right when this occurs. All in all, we have it pretty good.

 

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For the most part, I think the manufacturers are doing a really good job of meeting my needs and expectations. Especially for a small specialized market. Many of you that have been in the hobby all along for the last 20-30-40-50 years may see things differently. I was away from the hobby for 30+ years and came back about 3 years ago. I am still overwhelmed at the selections offered and the advancements that have been made in all aspects of the products available in the hobby. That includes quality, detail, electronics, command control, selection of track systems, transformers, benchwork, scenery, accessories, etc. Even the size of the catalogs is amazing and they have several per year.

 

There are some things I would like to see made and some things I would like to see made available most of the time (like more operating accessories for one), but I have had no problem using up my entire yearly train budget in just one catalog from one manufacturer. Leaving plenty of items on the table that I would have also liked to have ordered from the same single catalog. I have heard complaints about nothing new to order after a new catalog is issued. I would welcome a catalog with nothing in it that I wanted to order. It would let my train budget recover somewhat and get ready for the next round. Maybe I could spend a little more on my layout that way also.

 

As I have said before, I think it's great time to be in O gauge and I'm glad I'm back in the hobby. I just hope it continues for some time to come. I would still be happy with less to order from each catalog. I also think the manufacturers are doing their jobs pretty well considering we are such a small and specialized market. I feel very fortunate to be participating in all of this and also have a few extra dollars each year to spend on something I like doing. Doesn't get much better than that.

 

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