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Hello,

 

I picked up a few back issues of TRAINS magazine over the weekend at the Western America Railroad Museum.

 

One magazine (dated August,1990) was dedicated to the history and demise of the Caboose, telling of its usefulness, charm, and popularity, as well as its sometimes being a dangerous place to ride, and finally being retired and replaced with EOT devices and other sensors which eliminated the necessity of a rear Brakeman and a rolling office for the Conductor. 

 

I'll quote from one of the many Caboose articles in the magazine: 

 

"Its charm and heritage not withstanding, the Caboose, perforated with openings and filled with obstacles for its occupants, was an inherently dangerous vehicle to board and ride."

 

"Caboose lore is filled with stories of smashups, injuries, and deaths brought about by short flagging, overlooked meeting points, switching errors, derailments, and train break-in-twos.  Rear-end collisions were a leading cause of premature retirement for cabooses, but an oveturned oil lamp could quickly incinerate a wooden car, and a track washout could spell doom for even the sturdiest steel Crummy."

 

"Slack from the engineer starting a long consist (especially with the instant throttle response common with steam locos), could cause a whiplash which could throw a man from a platform or cupola, smash him into bulkheads and tables, and break enough bones to abbreviate his career at an early age."

 

(Remember the scene in "Emperor of the North" where the brakeman in the caboose suffers a broken back from the whiplash caused by the sudden application of the train's emergency brake when the hobo (Lee Marvin) applied it with his foot while riding the rods under a freight car?)

 

Of course, there were nice things written about the Hack in other articles in this issue, including one dedicated to locating and purchasing a Caboose for private display! 

 

BAD ORDER

 

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Originally Posted by Bad Order Hal: 

Slack from the engineer starting a long consist (especially with the instant throttle response commom with steam locos), could cause a whiplash which could throw a man from a platform or cupola, smash him into bulkheads and tables, and break enough bones to abbreviate his career at an early age." 

 

BAD ORDER

 

Whoever wrote that line "especially with the instant throttle response common with steam locos" sure doesn't know what they are talking about.

 

HEY GREGG,

 

As a Brakie, you probably had access to track torpedos.

 

When my Dad used to fire Consuls and Mikes on the PRR in the early 1940's, sometime he would bring home a torpedo.

 

We'd go down to the riverbank (about 200 feet from our home), and lay the torpedo on a flat rock at the river's edge.  Then we'd climb a tree and drop a heavy rock on the torpedo.

 

BOOM!

 

The catfish wouldn't come around for some time!

 

BAD ORDER  (Ahhhhh, the fun we could have before OSHA!)

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Originally Posted by Bad Order Hal:

 

HEY HOT WATER,

 

Yes, a good hogger can start any train as gently as a baby, but when it comes to instant power, the Steamer has it "right now" as compared to the diesel which takes a while to build up the RPM's for full electric power to the truck motors.

 

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So Hal, do you have a lot of experience with steam locomotives as well as diesel electric locomotives, to make such statements?

 

HOT WATER, I have absolutely NO experience with either Steam or Diesel-electric locomotives! 

 

None at all, except for riding in the cabs of PRR 0-6-0 Switchers in 1942-44 when my Dad had yard duty and I was 6-8 years old.

 

Other than that, I'm only repeating what I have read from those who supposedly know from whereof they speak!

 

Others have found my Caboose topic interesting, so may I still stay on board?

 

BAD ORDER

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Bad Order Hal:

 

HOT WATER, I have absolutely NO experience with either Steam or Diesel-electric locomotives! 

 

None at all, except for riding in the cabs of PRR 0-6-0 Switchers in 1942-44 when my Dad had yard duty and I was 6-8 years old.

 

Other than that, I'm only repeating what I have read from those who supposedly know from whereof they speak!

 

Others have found my Caboose topic interesting, so may I still stay on board?

 

BAD ORDER 

Hal,

 

I never said your thread wasn't "interesting", just that the printed statements about steam locomotives vs diesel electric locomotives isn't/aren't necessarily correct. I have been in the railroad motive power business for more than 51 years, both steam and diesel, so I have a fair bit of experience from which to draw on.

I am going to make a guess that a steamer could not jerk a train instantly in motion any more than a diesel can.    When you read about them, there is always talk about backing up when starting to take in the slack, and then starting the train forward one car at time.    Of course when the train was long, by the time the start got to the caboose, there would be a jerk.   But trains were/are given just enough power to move it.    If the engineer jerked the throttle wide open, it would be like popping the clutch on your hot rod, it would just spin the drivers, not jerk the train.

 

I think the biggest cause of jerks and bumps on the caboose was the slack action.   Passenger cars have buffers that remove or eliminate most slack action.   Freight cars do not.   So if each car has an inch of slack in the drawbars, on a 100 car train that is 100 inches or over 6 foot of slack between the loco and caboose.    Every change in speed or conditions such as grades would cause a ripple through the train that ended with the caboose getting a good jerk.

Originally Posted by Bad Order Hal:

 

Indeed you do, HOT WATER!

 

51 years in the world of locomotive power certainly impresses me!

 

A bottle of MAKER'S MARK would settle any residual differences I may have with you!

 

(Email me for my address.)

 

BAD ORDER

Not necessary, Hal. I enjoy helping those folks that ask logical questions, and appreciate the technical answers, from my memories.

Originally Posted by Bad Order Hal:

 

I understand, HW!  I was just kidding anyway!

 

Did you notice that Maker's Mark is the only bourbon that is referred to as "Whisky"?

 

All other bourbons are spelled "Whiskey"; only Scotch is spelled "Whisky".

 

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Hal,

 

I have a feeling that it might depend on just how much of the stuff has been consumed as to exactly how things get "spelled"!

 

Simon

I actually LIKE Cabooses Most for my upcoming layout. I have been buying more of them than anything. I think they have a lot of Character and Style. One of my sides is going to be ALL lighted cabooses. I am also thinking of making a few of them with Multiple Lights and colors. Sought of a Disco Light Show.

 

Originally Posted by BrianEso:

I actually LIKE Cabooses Most for my upcoming layout. I have been buying more of them than anything. I think they have a lot of Character and Style. One of my sides is going to be ALL lighted cabooses. I am also thinking of making a few of them with Multiple Lights and colors. Sought of a Disco Light Show.

 

 

Stated like a true "toy train guy" who has NEVER had to work out of, nor ride in, a caboose for a living!

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